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Which of the following do you want to keep post-Brexit

Freedom of Movement
31
13%
Single Market Access
62
25%
Both of the Above
102
41%
Neither of the Above
53
21%
 
Total votes : 248

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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:58 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.


Having them in the UK is only good if it provides an actual benefit. If that's what it takes to keep them, they may as well leave.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:01 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Bribe the rich by offering them the money kids in poverty need to eat. That's a new low.

No, wait, it isn't. Not even close.

So you complain that banks & businesses may leave the U.K because of Brexit, but don't believe in keeping them here? :eyebrow:

Or alternatively we could not take billions from areas where they are needed to provide corporate subsidies just so we can appear to be taking xenophobic rants, sorry valid concerns about immigration despite evidence immigration being net benefit to economy, as serious and worthwhile addenda?
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Postby Lamadia 2016 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:19 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.


Having them in the UK is only good if it provides an actual benefit. If that's what it takes to keep them, they may as well leave.

We can all listen to the sob stories about starving children, disabled people dying, poor people sheltering in badly heated homes with no food- of course, if that was a widespread problem, then it would be horrible, but really, is it? I don't think so- I don't buy it. We can watch the sad little stories they probably play at the Labour Party Conference before they start barking on about cuts- what we need to be dealing with is making the most of Brexit for our economy, and for business. That's what the Government must concentrate on.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:23 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Having them in the UK is only good if it provides an actual benefit. If that's what it takes to keep them, they may as well leave.

We can all listen to the sob stories about starving children, disabled people dying, poor people sheltering in badly heated homes with no food- of course, if that was a widespread problem, then it would be horrible, but really, is it? I don't think so- I don't buy it. We can watch the sad little stories they probably play at the Labour Party Conference before they start barking on about cuts- what we need to be dealing with is making the most of Brexit for our economy, and for business. That's what the Government must concentrate on.

Out of interest, what do you suppose the economy is for?

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Postby Angleter » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:28 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.


These talks are almost certainly already taking place on various levels, and will continue to take place until and after Brexit. As for how to make the City best-equipped to thrive post-Brexit, it's much more technical (and probably a damn sight easier) than giving the banks a massive bung.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:33 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:When did I complain about that?

Oh, so you support unemployment?
Sorry, I just assumed that you would want businesses to stay in this country with jobs. My mistake.

Not sure why I even still bother with this website.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:33 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:Oh, so you support unemployment?
Sorry, I just assumed that you would want businesses to stay in this country with jobs. My mistake.

Not sure why I even still bother with this website.

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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:34 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Having them in the UK is only good if it provides an actual benefit. If that's what it takes to keep them, they may as well leave.

We can all listen to the sob stories about starving children, disabled people dying, poor people sheltering in badly heated homes with no food- of course, if that was a widespread problem, then it would be horrible, but really, is it? I don't think so- I don't buy it. We can watch the sad little stories they probably play at the Labour Party Conference before they start barking on about cuts- what we need to be dealing with is making the most of Brexit for our economy, and for business. That's what the Government must concentrate on.



All of those absolutely are issues that absolutely happen on a widespread level. There is an enormous amount of evidence for this.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:35 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Having them in the UK is only good if it provides an actual benefit. If that's what it takes to keep them, they may as well leave.

We can all listen to the sob stories about starving children, disabled people dying, poor people sheltering in badly heated homes with no food- of course, if that was a widespread problem, then it would be horrible, but really, is it? I don't think so- I don't buy it. We can watch the sad little stories they probably play at the Labour Party Conference before they start barking on about cuts- what we need to be dealing with is making the most of Brexit for our economy, and for business. That's what the Government must concentrate on.

Economies aren't worth much if people can't participate in them.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:00 am

Ifreann wrote:First Nick Clegg's on HIGNFY, now Tim Farron. How long before Arch is on?


I have no interest in being on HIGNFY as I'm already scheduled to appear on a trashy 'documentary' on the History Channel later this year; the shame.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:00 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Ifreann wrote:First Nick Clegg's on HIGNFY, now Tim Farron. How long before Arch is on?


I have no interest in being on HIGNFY as I'm already scheduled to appear on a trashy 'documentary' on the History Channel later this year; the shame.


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Postby Lamadia 2016 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:02 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:We can all listen to the sob stories about starving children, disabled people dying, poor people sheltering in badly heated homes with no food- of course, if that was a widespread problem, then it would be horrible, but really, is it? I don't think so- I don't buy it. We can watch the sad little stories they probably play at the Labour Party Conference before they start barking on about cuts- what we need to be dealing with is making the most of Brexit for our economy, and for business. That's what the Government must concentrate on.



All of those absolutely are issues that absolutely happen on a widespread level. There is an enormous amount of evidence for this.

I don't buy the idea that necessary cuts in welfare are damning children to poverty- we have to look at the bigger picture, which is attaining what is best for Britain after Brexit.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:04 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:

All of those absolutely are issues that absolutely happen on a widespread level. There is an enormous amount of evidence for this.

I don't buy the idea that necessary cuts in welfare are damning children to poverty- we have to look at the bigger picture, which is attaining what is best for Britain after Brexit.


And what makes these cuts necessary? And what is best for Britain is retaining Single Market Access, which means retaining Free Movement, which is what three-fifths of the British people want.
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Postby Valaran » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:21 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Not sure why I even still bother with this website.


I've largely migrated to other threads.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:28 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:

All of those absolutely are issues that absolutely happen on a widespread level. There is an enormous amount of evidence for this.

I don't buy the idea that necessary cuts in welfare are damning children to poverty- we have to look at the bigger picture, which is attaining what is best for Britain after Brexit.

You don't buy it? Well, case closed.

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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:28 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:

All of those absolutely are issues that absolutely happen on a widespread level. There is an enormous amount of evidence for this.

I don't buy the idea that necessary cuts in welfare are damning children to poverty- we have to look at the bigger picture, which is attaining what is best for Britain after Brexit.


So you've got no actual evidence at all, got it.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:30 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:Oh, so you support unemployment?
Sorry, I just assumed that you would want businesses to stay in this country with jobs. My mistake.

Not sure why I even still bother with this website.

You are not the only one.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:46 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:Oh, so you support unemployment?
Sorry, I just assumed that you would want businesses to stay in this country with jobs. My mistake.

Not sure why I even still bother with this website.


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Postby Hydesland » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:09 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.


So Brexit has reduced us to engaging in crony capitalism?

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:27 am

Hydesland wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.


So Brexit has reduced us to engaging in crony capitalism?


What do you mean reduced? It was pretty much the customary procedure for a long time before this.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:33 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Not sure why I even still bother with this website.

our lovely little shitposting bants political community

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:37 am

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Souseiseki wrote:our lovely little shitposting bants political community

It warms your heart, doesn't it? It warms your heart with the all-consuming hellfire of a thousand burning cities.

"Kill neocapitalism, and I will help you destroy a thousand cities"
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:37 am

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:When did I complain about that?

Oh, so you support unemployment?
Sorry, I just assumed that you would want businesses to stay in this country with jobs. My mistake.

You wouldn't have to bribe businesses to stay without Brexit. Businesses want single market access, not tax cuts.
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Postby Lamadia 2016 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:39 am

Geilinor wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:Oh, so you support unemployment?
Sorry, I just assumed that you would want businesses to stay in this country with jobs. My mistake.

You wouldn't have to bribe businesses to stay without Brexit.

If you think negotiating with firms is bribery, I dread to think what you would call what is going on in Nigeria.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:40 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:It warms your heart, doesn't it? It warms your heart with the all-consuming hellfire of a thousand burning cities.

"Kill neocapitalism, and I will help you destroy a thousand cities"

Maybe even more, if you call off that appointment for wednesday.


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