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As someone who believes that democracy can only really function if people are wholeheartedly committed to it, I'm going to go with yes.

Do I support mandatory voting, though? Nope.

The system itself is a constructive of only one branch of political thought, of course some people can't be included in it, and shouldn't be condemned as "apathetic" or "uninformed" when they decide not to take part in a system they thoroughly disagree with.

The freedom to vote includes the freedom to not vote. But I do think we should encourgage it, much like we encourage healthy eating and exercise.

No. Some people are too apathetic, jaded or uneducated to be able to vote. They should be kept as far away from polling booths as possible.

NOBODY actually follows politics. I studied politics, my professors were people paid to understand politics, every election they would flat out say "I don't know who half these people are on the ballot." Properly following just the elections you can vote in is really only possible if that's your only job.

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:

Novorobo wrote:Even if you grant the premise that it's about apathy, I think what this ultimately boils down to is whether or not the vote of those currently apathetic is necessarily worse than everyone else's, which boils down to at least two further questions:

1. Will those presently apathetic continue to be if encouraged to make a decision on this matter?

2. If encouraged to make a decision on this matter, will that decision necessarily be worse than one motivated by being steeped in an ideological echo chamber?

1. I hope not.

2. No, but that's a different issue entirely.

No, it's entirely related. If it isn't really a worse decision than the decisions made by those who are already voting, then it discredits the "apathetic vote is worse" talking point.

Costa Fierro wrote:No. Some people are too apathetic, jaded or uneducated to be able to vote. They should be kept as far away from polling booths as possible.

And who decides who deserves to be "kept away"? How do you keep them away? What opinions qualify one as not worthy of voting?

No.

People have better things to do with their free time.

If voting actually did anything, it wouldn't be allowed, so I don't see where it particularly matters.

No. Most people, particularly in America, have really shitty opinions. So, when you have people who have shitty opinions that vote, you get shitty leaders. Plus, voting doesn't really change anything. If it did, they wouldn't allow us to do it.

We shouldn't encourage anyone to vote, indeed, voting as an activity should become an unscrupulous, seedy and borderline criminal activity.

You shouldn't be allowed to vote under 30. All these kids lack experience and don't know what they're doing.

CarsonBuck wrote:You shouldn't be allowed to vote under 30. All these kids lack experience and don't know what they're doing.

Agreed. Plus, most young people are degenerate's who will ruin the nation with Socialism and Communism.

Pirelin wrote:

CarsonBuck wrote:You shouldn't be allowed to vote under 30. All these kids lack experience and don't know what they're doing.

Agreed. Plus, most young people are degenerate's who will ruin the nation with Socialism and Communism.

Your going to silence the right of people to vote because they don't agree with you. Are you triggered? Do you need a safe space?

Pirelin wrote:

CarsonBuck wrote:You shouldn't be allowed to vote under 30. All these kids lack experience and don't know what they're doing.

Agreed. Plus, most young people are degenerate's who will ruin the nation with Socialism and Communism.

Post is below.

Pirelin wrote:

CarsonBuck wrote:You shouldn't be allowed to vote under 30. All these kids lack experience and don't know what they're doing.

Agreed. Plus, most young people are degenerate's who will ruin the nation with Socialism and Communism.

1984.... My intellectual mind tells me what's going to occur and my sixth sense Tells me what will happen, I can see it now.

The very idea of encouraging everyone to vote no matter their stance on issues is not only inherently American to me, but a grand idea.

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:

Pirelin wrote:Agreed. Plus, most young people are degenerate's who will ruin the nation with Socialism and Communism.

1984.... I can see it now.

You mean 2016? Where liberalism and absolute submission to the state is demanded? Where daring to challenge the liberal status quo will ostracize you from your peers?

Nariterrr wrote:

Pirelin wrote:Agreed. Plus, most young people are degenerate's who will ruin the nation with Socialism and Communism.

Your going to silence the right of people to vote because they don't agree with you. Are you triggered? Do you need a safe space?

No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.

Pirelin wrote:

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
1984.... I can see it now.

You mean 2016? Where liberalism and absolute submission to the state is demanded? Where daring to challenge the liberal status quo will ostracize you from your peers?

Quite the opposite. We believe submission to the government is wrong. We are against government reaching into social issues. That's why we support LGBT rights, choice, etc. Its republicans who believe the government should meddle with a woman's vagina.

Nariterrr wrote:

Pirelin wrote:Agreed. Plus, most young people are degenerate's who will ruin the nation with Socialism and Communism.

Your going to silence the right of people to vote because they don't agree with you. Are you triggered? Do you need a safe space?

No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.[/quote]
Really? Should we ban old people from voting?

Pirelin wrote:No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.

degeneracy?

lol

Pirelin wrote:

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
1984.... I can see it now.

You mean 2016? Where liberalism and absolute submission to the state is demanded? Where daring to challenge the liberal status quo will ostracize you from your peers?

Nariterrr wrote:
Your going to silence the right of people to vote because they don't agree with you. Are you triggered? Do you need a safe space?

No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.

While I agree to an extreme extent when it comes to your first statement, the second one is absolutely absurd, I am almost certain that you are missing the studies to declare the younger generation degenerate, also I wasn't aware that you know what kind of knowledge these kids possesses.

Nariterrr wrote:

Pirelin wrote:You mean 2016? Where liberalism and absolute submission to the state is demanded? Where daring to challenge the liberal status quo will ostracize you from your peers?

Quite the opposite. We believe submission to the government is wrong. We are against government reaching into social issues. That's why we support LGBT rights, choice, etc. Its republicans who believe the government should meddle with a woman's vagina.

Nariterrr wrote:
Your going to silence the right of people to vote because they don't agree with you. Are you triggered? Do you need a safe space?

No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.

Really? Should we ban old people from voting?[/quote]
1. Not true. Liberals such as yourself believe in taking away the essential right to property and capital, and often believe in communism, which is left-wing fascism.

2. No, how does that at all relate to my post? Old people are the least degenerate, and should be respected.

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:

Pirelin wrote:You mean 2016? Where liberalism and absolute submission to the state is demanded? Where daring to challenge the liberal status quo will ostracize you from your peers?

No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.

While I agree to an extreme extent when it comes to your first statement, the second one is absolutely absurd, I am almost certain that you are missing the studies to declare the younger generation degenerate, also I wasn't aware that you know what kind of knowledge these kids possesses.

The majority of young people support either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. They support degenerate ideas like gay rights, "transexual" bathroom rights, and cultural diversity.

Valaran wrote:

Pirelin wrote:No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.

degeneracy?

lol

o you do not believe that degeneracy exists?

Pirelin wrote:

Nariterrr wrote:Quite the opposite. We believe submission to the government is wrong. We are against government reaching into social issues. That's why we support LGBT rights, choice, etc. Its republicans who believe the government should meddle with a woman's vagina.


No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.

Really? Should we ban old people from voting?

1. Not true. Liberals such as yourself believe in taking away the essential right to property and capital, and often believe in communism, which is left-wing fascism.

2. No, how does that at all relate to my post? Old people are the least degenerate, and should be respected.[/quote]

Oh god, dude, just stop.

Pirelin wrote:

Nariterrr wrote:Quite the opposite. We believe submission to the government is wrong. We are against government reaching into social issues. That's why we support LGBT rights, choice, etc. Its republicans who believe the government should meddle with a woman's vagina.


No, I just think young people, who are largely degenerate, do not have enough experience or knowledge to be entrusted with electing a leader.

Really? Should we ban old people from voting?

1. Not true. Liberals such as yourself believe in taking away the essential right to property and capital, and often believe in communism, which is left-wing fascism.

2. No, how does that at all relate to my post? Old people are the least degenerate, and should be respected.[/quote]
1. No we don't. I am a liberal, I support capitalism, REGULATED capitalism. I support your right to start a business and as long as you are playing FAIRLY, we have no problem. Again, we are small government, we don't care who you sleep with, or what you have in your body, that's Republicans.
2. The point is, that banning millennials from voting because they are liberal is a violation of basic democratic rights. It is also unconstitutional.