Russian State Seizes Farmland

[The Realist Polities]

Right. Let me put it differently: when was the last time Georgia controlled Abkhazia and Ossetia?

Irrelevent. Russian occupation of it is unlawful. Just because Georgia is too small to successfully fight back against it doesn't make it right.

LOLOLOL

Right, when it is inconvenient or nuanced, it is "irrelevant". LOLOL
Go get an education pal.

[Rutthenia]

Irrelevent. Russian occupation of it is unlawful. Just because Georgia is too small to successfully fight back against it doesn't make it right.

How exactly did Russia "occupy" the "Georgian land" if there are no Russian flags, no Russian troops (apart from a small peacekeepers group, South Ossetia and Abkhazia are defended by their own Defense Forces), and almost no Russian speakers?

Considering this is the post-Soviet Union we're talking about, everyone, including most Georgians, are going to be speaking Russian on a daily basis. But I do agree. South Ossetia has declared independence from Georgia and has received support from Russia, Venezuela and others diplomatically. That's the only facts we have about this so far and those facts should be respected.

[The Portland Territory]

Irrelevent. Russian occupation of it is unlawful. Just because Georgia is too small to successfully fight back against it doesn't make it right.

LOLOLOL

Right, when it is inconvenient or nuanced, it is "irrelevant". LOLOL
Go get an education pal.

^^^

Ossetians didn't want Georgia anymore. They wanted independence. And they got, and Russia just so happened to help them. So what?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

No its not. Its an analogy. Nice job missing it, seemingly intentionally.

It can't be an analogy because Putin is ideologically the opposite of Hitler and only an idiot who never read a History book would make that stupid analogy

Only an idiot who never read a history book would miss the parallels of ignoring Putin dicking around until he hits a NATO member with Chamberlain ignoring Hitler dicking around until he hit Poland.

[Rutthenia]

It can't be an analogy because Putin is ideologically the opposite of Hitler and only an idiot who never read a History book would make that stupid analogy

Only an idiot who never read a history book would miss the parallels of ignoring Putin dicking around until he hits a NATO member with Chamberlain ignoring Hitler dicking around until he hit Poland.

Didn't a NATO Member (Turkey) strike Russia first?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Irrelevent. Russian occupation of it is unlawful. Just because Georgia is too small to successfully fight back against it doesn't make it right.

LOLOLOL

Right, when it is inconvenient or nuanced, it is "irrelevant". LOLOL
Go get an education pal.

Your statement was neither inconvenient nor nuanced. It was irrelevant. Georgia's ability to keep control of its territory does not legally make it any less its territory. Russia is still an unlawful occupier of Georgian soil, regardless of Georgia's lack of an ability to kick them out.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Only an idiot who never read a history book would miss the parallels of ignoring Putin dicking around until he hits a NATO member with Chamberlain ignoring Hitler dicking around until he hit Poland.

Didn't a NATO Member (Turkey) strike Russia first?

Russia invaded Turkey's airspace, so no. Its Russia's fault.

[The Realist Polities]

It can't be an analogy because Putin is ideologically the opposite of Hitler and only an idiot who never read a History book would make that stupid analogy

Only an idiot who never read a history book would miss the parallels of ignoring Putin dicking around until he hits a NATO member with Chamberlain ignoring Hitler dicking around until he hit Poland.

No, I know.
Putin keeps overthrowing regimes, ignoring international law in military interventions, sponsoring NGOs to destabilise governments all over the world... oh no, wait: that's us.

So, should the rest of the world drop their 'chamberlain' act and move to stop NATO and the West from intervening everywhere?
No, of course not. Because we are the good guys, everyone not us is 'bad'..........

What has objectively Putin done against Western interests? what have we done Vs Russian interests?
Compare the two and use your brain to reason logically, for christ's sake.

[Free Rhenish States]

Besides, the Ossetians are a separate ethnicity from the Georgians, they speak an Iranic language while the Georgians speak a Kartvelian. Don't these people deserve freedom and indepence if they wish? If they don't, then so doesn't Kosovo, Albania, and so many more countries in the world..

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

What has objectively Putin done against Western interests? what have we done Vs Russian interests?
Compare the two and use your brain to reason logically, for christ's sake.

We act against Russian interests because Russian interests are against our interests, simple as that.

[The Realist Polities]

LOLOLOL

Right, when it is inconvenient or nuanced, it is "irrelevant". LOLOL
Go get an education pal.

Your statement was neither inconvenient nor nuanced. It was irrelevant. Georgia's ability to keep control of its territory does not legally make it any less its territory. Russia is still an unlawful occupier of Georgian soil, regardless of Georgia's lack of an ability to kick them out.

I tell you what: when Kosovo is returned to Serbia, Guantanamo to Cuba etc etc etc, THEN we'll talk.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Your statement was neither inconvenient nor nuanced. It was irrelevant. Georgia's ability to keep control of its territory does not legally make it any less its territory. Russia is still an unlawful occupier of Georgian soil, regardless of Georgia's lack of an ability to kick them out.

I tell you what: when Kosovo is returned to Serbia, Guantanamo to Cuba etc etc etc, THEN we'll talk.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Guantanamo Bay was legally leased to the US. That lease ain't up.

Kosovo is legally recognized as a separate entity under several international treaties.

[The Realist Polities]

What has objectively Putin done against Western interests? what have we done Vs Russian interests?
Compare the two and use your brain to reason logically, for christ's sake.

We act against Russian interests because Russian interests are against our interests, simple as that.

How are Russian interests against American interests?
Why the hell does the US care about Georgia or Ukraine?

I'm not saying they have to agree in everything but the notion that it is in the national interest of a bankrupt naval power to protect weak banana republics in a continental setting is simply bizarre...

[Orostan]

Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая Русь.
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы, народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
Пусть от победы, к победе ведет!

Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы,
И Ленин великий нам путь озарил.
Нас вырастил Сталин - на верность народу
На труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил.

Славься, Отечество чаше свободное,
Счастья народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
Пусть от победы к победе ведет!

Мы армию нашу растили в сраженьях,
Захватчиков подлых с дороги сметем!
Мы в битвах решаем судьбу поколений,
Мы к славе Отчизну свою поведем!

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Славы народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
Пусть от победы к победе ведет!

My Russian is pretty rusty...is this not the Soviet anthem?

It is.

[Rutthenia]

Didn't a NATO Member (Turkey) strike Russia first?

Russia invaded Turkey's airspace, so no. Its Russia's fault.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/re ... 1615790737

No it didn't. Even if you look at more biased sources, Russia flew through less than 1 mile of Turkish Territory reaching in the extreme south direction into Syria's territory most likely due to pilot error. That, my friend, is nowhere near "invasion".

[The Realist Polities]

I tell you what: when Kosovo is returned to Serbia, Guantanamo to Cuba etc etc etc, THEN we'll talk.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Guantanamo Bay was legally leased to the US. That lease ain't up.

Kosovo is legally recognized as a separate entity under several international treaties.

You are basically a know-nothing:

1. Cuba denounced the lease
2. UN resolutions ENFORCE serbian sovereignty. Kosovo is not a UN member state and is not recognised by ANY international treaty.

[Free Rhenish States]

I tell you what: when Kosovo is returned to Serbia, Guantanamo to Cuba etc etc etc, THEN we'll talk.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Guantanamo Bay was legally leased to the US. That lease ain't up.

Kosovo is legally recognized as a separate entity under several international treaties.

You mean the Western treaties?
So much for an international recognition.

[New Werpland]

LOLOLOL

Right, when it is inconvenient or nuanced, it is "irrelevant". LOLOL
Go get an education pal.

^^^

Ossetians didn't want Georgia anymore. They wanted independence. And they got, and Russia just so happened to help them. So what?

There was no precedent which suited their call for independence.

[Free Rhenish States]

What has objectively Putin done against Western interests? what have we done Vs Russian interests?
Compare the two and use your brain to reason logically, for christ's sake.

We act against Russian interests because Russian interests are against our interests, simple as that.

Goes to show how little do you actually know. So what do you wanna do about Russia? Balkanize it? . Russia DOES NOT GO AGAINST the western interests, EVEN though Russia and the West really dislike each other. The West NEEDS a strong Russia, and everyone in the American government understands it, and you wanna know why? Because if it were not for a strong Russia, China would have taken over Siberia and included much of the post-Soviet territory into their own sphere of influence, becoming much stronger than the West.
It's as simple as that.

[Rutthenia]

I tell you what: when Kosovo is returned to Serbia, Guantanamo to Cuba etc etc etc, THEN we'll talk.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Guantanamo Bay was legally leased to the US. That lease ain't up.

Kosovo is legally recognized as a separate entity under several international treaties.

The closest Kosovo got to an "international treaty" was the Brussels Agreement, which wasn't signed by either party.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

HAHAHAHAHA!

Guantanamo Bay was legally leased to the US. That lease ain't up.

Kosovo is legally recognized as a separate entity under several international treaties.

You are basically a know-nothing:

1. Cuba denounced the lease
2. UN resolutions ENFORCE serbian sovereignty. Kosovo is not a UN member state and is not recognised by ANY international treaty.

1. Last I checked you don't get to back out of a contract just because 'I don't wanna!' I guess land lords can just evict their tenets for no reason even if the lease doesn't say so.

2. Kosovo is recognized by 109 UN member states.

[The Realist Polities]

^^^

Ossetians didn't want Georgia anymore. They wanted independence. And they got, and Russia just so happened to help them. So what?

There was no precedent which suited their call for independence.

Might makes right. Goes for all sides.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

The West NEEDS a strong Russia, and everyone in the American government understands it, and you wanna know why? Because if it were not for a strong Russia, China would have taken over Siberia and included much of the post-Soviet territory into their own sphere of influence, becoming much stronger than the West.

Yes clearly we need a strong playground bully to cause problems for us to clean up. Great thinking there.

[Free Rhenish States]

You are basically a know-nothing:

1. Cuba denounced the lease
2. UN resolutions ENFORCE serbian sovereignty. Kosovo is not a UN member state and is not recognised by ANY international treaty.

1. Last I checked you don't get to back out of a contract just because 'I don't wanna!' I guess land lords can just evict their tenets for no reason even if the lease doesn't say so.

2. Kosovo is recognized by 109 UN member states.

There are 195 countries in the world, out of which 193 are in the UN...

[Kryozerkia]

You are basically a know-nothing:

1. Cuba denounced the lease
2. UN resolutions ENFORCE serbian sovereignty. Kosovo is not a UN member state and is not recognised by ANY international treaty.

LOLOLOL

Right, when it is inconvenient or nuanced, it is "irrelevant". LOLOL
Go get an education pal.

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