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Postby New Werpland » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:56 am

Not from the kulaks this time.

http://georgiatoday.ge/news/4516/South-Ossetian-Border-Guards-Seize-Georgian-Farmland
GORI, Georgia – Georgian farmworkers living near the contact line with the breakaway South Ossetia region claim Russian border guards are blocking their access to sections of farmland that lay on the Georgian side of the contact like that separates the rebel region from the rest of Georgia.

Georgian news agency Interpressnews reported that uniformed gunmen appeared on the outskirts of the Gori Municipality village of Sobisi and started to harvest the crops of one of the residents living in the village.

The gunmen said the agricultural area was a part of the Russian-occupied South Ossetia region and therefore under the jurisdiction of the separatist authorities in their self-declared capital Tskhinvali.

"My family has owned this land for years. Of course, this is Georgian territory and under the control of the central government. However, the occupants (Russians) came to us last year and said that part of my land, 6 hectares, was within South Ossetia’s borders. I had been working there throughout the year; I spent a lot of money, and now they are stealing my crops. They don’t let me enter the area,” he said.


Unfortunately this isn't the first time either.

South Ossetian independence was originally justified as an application of the Kosovo precedent. Well umm, this doesn't add much credence to that.

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Postby The Realist Polities » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:01 am

ah the neocons return.

every mindless stupid insignificant detail is a justification for war with Russia... yawn
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Postby New Werpland » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:03 am

The Realist Polities wrote:ah the neocons return.

every mindless stupid insignificant detail is a justification for war with Russia... yawn

Should any country tolerate a neighbor arbitrarily seizing land?

I'm afraid that is a strawman though.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:04 am

The Realist Polities wrote:ah the neocons return.

every mindless stupid insignificant detail is a justification for war with Russia... yawn


Maybe Russia shouldn't steal people's farmland cause Putin wants to pretend that he leads a big bad superpower and not a regional bully.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:05 am

New Werpland wrote:
The Realist Polities wrote:ah the neocons return.

every mindless stupid insignificant detail is a justification for war with Russia... yawn

Should any country tolerate a neighbor arbitrarily seizing land?

I'm afraid that is a strawman though.

If it doesn't affect us, then ok. We should try to ease things diplomatically, but no military interventionism. At least until they start to threaten NATO
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Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The Realist Polities wrote:ah the neocons return.

every mindless stupid insignificant detail is a justification for war with Russia... yawn


Maybe Russia shouldn't steal people's farmland cause Putin wants to pretend that he leads a big bad superpower and not a regional bully.

maybe georgia shouldn't continuously attempt to occupy Ossetian (RUSSIAN) land
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:06 am

The Portland Territory wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Should any country tolerate a neighbor arbitrarily seizing land?

I'm afraid that is a strawman though.

If it doesn't affect us, then ok. We should try to ease things diplomatically, but no military interventionism. At least until they start to threaten NATO


Russian dick waving is a threat to NATO whether you want to pretend or not. The more you let egomaniacs like Putin get away with the more they try.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:07 am

Great Kauthar wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Maybe Russia shouldn't steal people's farmland cause Putin wants to pretend that he leads a big bad superpower and not a regional bully.

maybe georgia shouldn't continuously attempt to occupy Ossetian (RUSSIAN) land


Ossetia is part of the state of Georgia. Just because Russia wants it and they claim to be Russia doesn't change the fact that the Georgian government doesn't recognize its secession.

Besides, if you bothered to actually read the OP, the territory that Russia decided to trample all over was ON THE RUSSIAN-RECOGNIZED GEORGIAN SIDE.
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Postby Unified Empire » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:11 am

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Great Kauthar wrote:maybe georgia shouldn't continuously attempt to occupy Ossetian (RUSSIAN) land


Ossetia is part of the state of Georgia. Just because Russia wants it and they claim to be Russia doesn't change the fact that the Georgian government doesn't recognize its secession.

Besides, if you bothered to actually read the OP, the territory that Russia decided to trample all over was ON THE RUSSIAN-RECOGNIZED GEORGIAN SIDE.

I just want to let you know that recognition (or lack thereof) doesn't change the fact of whether or not something is the way it is.

That's all I have to say.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:13 am

Unified Empire wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Ossetia is part of the state of Georgia. Just because Russia wants it and they claim to be Russia doesn't change the fact that the Georgian government doesn't recognize its secession.

Besides, if you bothered to actually read the OP, the territory that Russia decided to trample all over was ON THE RUSSIAN-RECOGNIZED GEORGIAN SIDE.

I just want to let you know that recognition (or lack thereof) doesn't change the fact of whether or not something is the way it is.

That's all I have to say.


Russia is an unlawful occupier of Georgian land. While they have de facto control of Ossetia and claim it as there own, they have no right to it.
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Great Kauthar wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Maybe Russia shouldn't steal people's farmland cause Putin wants to pretend that he leads a big bad superpower and not a regional bully.

maybe georgia shouldn't continuously attempt to occupy Ossetian (RUSSIAN) land

Foreign forces occupy someone's farmland they had been using for years and this is your response?
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Orostan wrote:Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая Русь.
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
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They had to protect the land from the banderist fascist LGBT neoliberal junta. Obviously.
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Baltenstein wrote:They had to protect the land from the banderist fascist LGBT neoliberal junta. Obviously.


Don't forget the sizable Russian minority of one. He was being oppressed by the Gerogian government, obviously
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:37 am

Jute wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:maybe georgia shouldn't continuously attempt to occupy Ossetian (RUSSIAN) land

Foreign forces occupy someone's farmland they had been using for years and this is your response?


Russia can do no wrong. Didn't you hear?

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Postby The Realist Polities » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:38 am

Baltenstein wrote:They had to protect the land from the banderist fascist LGBT neoliberal junta. Obviously.


I just don't understand why Russia is not supposed to advance its interests.
I also don't understand why Russia is OUR concern when it doesn't seek to interfere with OUR interests.

WE on the other hand keep encroaching on Russia's.
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New Werpland wrote:
The Realist Polities wrote:ah the neocons return.

every mindless stupid insignificant detail is a justification for war with Russia... yawn

Should any country tolerate a neighbor arbitrarily seizing land?

I'm afraid that is a strawman though.


Shoulda, coulda, woulda.
It is about what you have the power to do.
1. Russia is not a Western 'neighbour'
2. Countries occupy foreign territories all the time (most international interventions are Western though), are you going to fight them all?
3. since we don't have the funds and means to oppose all of them, what makes Russia a bigger threat?
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The Realist Polities wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:They had to protect the land from the banderist fascist LGBT neoliberal junta. Obviously.


I just don't understand why Russia is not supposed to advance its interests.
I also don't understand why Russia is OUR concern when it doesn't seek to interfere with OUR interests.

WE on the other hand keep encroaching on Russia's.


So how is it in Russia's interests to seize farmland on the other side of the border it drew up?
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Postby The Realist Polities » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:41 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:maybe georgia shouldn't continuously attempt to occupy Ossetian (RUSSIAN) land


Ossetia is part of the state of Georgia. Just because Russia wants it and they claim to be Russia doesn't change the fact that the Georgian government doesn't recognize its secession.

Besides, if you bothered to actually read the OP, the territory that Russia decided to trample all over was ON THE RUSSIAN-RECOGNIZED GEORGIAN SIDE.



Since when do we care about Georgia? and for God's sake, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!
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Vassenor wrote:
The Realist Polities wrote:
I just don't understand why Russia is not supposed to advance its interests.
I also don't understand why Russia is OUR concern when it doesn't seek to interfere with OUR interests.

WE on the other hand keep encroaching on Russia's.


So how is it in Russia's interests to seize farmland on the other side of the border it drew up?


Ask them. maybe they're trying to get something like a no man's land going, I don't know. What I do know is that it is meaningless to OUR interests.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:43 am

Vassenor wrote:So how is it in Russia's interests to seize farmland on the other side of the border it drew up?

To have more land to put behind her border once she will drew it again?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:45 am

The Realist Polities wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how is it in Russia's interests to seize farmland on the other side of the border it drew up?


Ask them. maybe they're trying to get something like a no man's land going, I don't know. What I do know is that it is meaningless to OUR interests.


Why do I get the feeling you'd be saying that while Armatas are rolling into Warsaw?
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Postby The Realist Polities » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:45 am

Aelex wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So how is it in Russia's interests to seize farmland on the other side of the border it drew up?

To have more land to put behind her border once she will drew it again?


i.e.: you are ignorant about the entire issue.

It was GEORGIA who decided to turn a frozen conflict into a hot one.

1. that land is insignificant to Russia
2. if Russia wanted to seize piece by piece, Jeez, it took them decades to start the project, now didn't it?
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