LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V4

[Thermodolia]

Good news y'all North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory concedes race!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ ... index.html

[Val Halla]

Good news y'all North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory concedes race!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ ... index.html

He's been fighting it like hell for some reason, sore loser

[Jumalariik]

I never mentioned skin colour, I would appreciate it if you didn't presume that I said that because the civilisations were predominantly if not wholly white. I am well aware of the luck in which the civilisations of Europe had. With this luck they spread their ideas across the planet. Whether they are lucky or not I'll say this for a second time.

May the best civilisation win.

Okay, to simplify things further for you: No culture can be objectively "better" than any other. And although you may not have explicitly mentioned skin colour, it is implied -- and to be clear, I wasn't accusing you of being racist; I was simply using "white" to clarify the group to which I was referring.

And honestly, I don't see why any civilisation should be declared a "winner" of anything. Living as a human in this world is not a contest.

Cultures that promote individual rights and oppose senseless murder are objectively better. NEXT

[Thermodolia]

Good news y'all North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory concedes race!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ ... index.html

He's been fighting it like hell for some reason, sore loser

Those who have power are loathe to lose it

[Liriena]

Good news y'all North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory concedes race!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ ... index.html

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas!

[Liriena]

Okay, to simplify things further for you: No culture can be objectively "better" than any other. And although you may not have explicitly mentioned skin colour, it is implied -- and to be clear, I wasn't accusing you of being racist; I was simply using "white" to clarify the group to which I was referring.

And honestly, I don't see why any civilisation should be declared a "winner" of anything. Living as a human in this world is not a contest.

Cultures that promote individual rights and oppose senseless murder are objectively better. NEXT

1. How are individual rights "objectively better" than the alternatives?
2. How would you define a "senseless murder"?

[Philjia]

Good news y'all North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory concedes race!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ ... index.html

[Philjia]

Okay, to simplify things further for you: No culture can be objectively "better" than any other. And although you may not have explicitly mentioned skin colour, it is implied -- and to be clear, I wasn't accusing you of being racist; I was simply using "white" to clarify the group to which I was referring.

And honestly, I don't see why any civilisation should be declared a "winner" of anything. Living as a human in this world is not a contest.

Cultures that promote individual rights and oppose senseless murder are objectively better. NEXT

So not the Republican party then?

[Blue Pinkerton]

Good news y'all North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory concedes race!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ ... index.html

Glad someone could put it to the image of the amazing Ainsley Harriott.

[The Alexanderians]

Good news y'all North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory concedes race!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ ... index.html

That's a spicy message.

[Arridian Islands]

Marriage has historically always been between men and women. I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

[Blue Pinkerton]

Marriage has historically always been between men and women. I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

proof pls

[Vassenor]

Marriage has historically always been between men and women. I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

First Amendment and the whole "Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of any religion" thing says hi.

[Arridian Islands]

Marriage has historically always been between men and women. I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

proof pls

Gay marriage hasn't even existed before the 21st century. God, learn some history man.

[Vassenor]

proof pls

Gay marriage hasn't even existed before the 21st century. God, learn some history man.

Let's see your sources for this.

[The V O I D]

Marriage has historically always been between men and women. I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

Modernism, progressivism, secularism and the West say hi.

[Blue Pinkerton]

proof pls

Gay marriage hasn't even existed before the 21st century. God, learn some history man.

The existence of same-sex marriage has been around since classical times, and even under the rigid social conservatism homophobia of Western Christian times, unions between two of the same sex still occurred. Not to mention the existence of unions between Two Spirit people in the Americas. God, learn some history man. Or at least read a damn Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... sex_unions

[Chessmistress]

Marriage has historically always been between men and women. I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

Also people who eat beef or pork are against some religious traditions and cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_ ... ohibitions

Various religions forbid the consumption of certain types of food. For example, Judaism prescribes a strict set of rules, called Kashrut, regarding what may and may not be eaten, and notably forbidding the mixing of meat with dairy products. Islam has similar laws, dividing foods into haraam (forbidden) and halal (permitted). Jains often follow religious directives to observe vegetarianism. Most Hindus do not eat beef, and some Hindus apply the concept of ahimsa (non-violence) to their diet and consider vegetarianism as ideal, and practice forms of vegetarianism.

Then the Texan barbecue or the South African braai could be offensive towards Hindus, that could be a major problem, especially in South Africa since there are quite a lot of Hindus.
How would you deal with such problem?

I eat both beef and pork because I don't follow such religions.
YOUR religion say that YOU cannot marry a person of your same sex.
I don't follow YOUR religion.
It's that simple.

[The V O I D]

Marriage has historically always been between men and women. I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

Also people who eat beef or pork are against some religious traditions and cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_ ... ohibitions

Various religions forbid the consumption of certain types of food. For example, Judaism prescribes a strict set of rules, called Kashrut, regarding what may and may not be eaten, and notably forbidding the mixing of meat with dairy products. Islam has similar laws, dividing foods into haraam (forbidden) and halal (permitted). Jains often follow religious directives to observe vegetarianism. Most Hindus do not eat beef, and some Hindus apply the concept of ahimsa (non-violence) to their diet and consider vegetarianism as ideal, and practice forms of vegetarianism.

Then the Texan barbecue or the South African braai could be offensive towards Hindus, that could be a major problem, especially in South Africa since there are quite a lot of Hindus.
How would you deal with such problem?

YOUR religion say that YOU cannot marry a person of your same sex.
I don't follow YOUR religion.
It's that simple.

...did you just say something that made sense and I can agree with?

...holy shit.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

1.Marriage has historically always been between men and women. 2.I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, 3.but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. 4. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. 5. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

1. So?
2. Explain a) how it's destroying anything and b) why that matters
3. How are we infringing on anyone's freedom?
4. So?
5. It seems wrong to you? Oh, God, you should have said something earlier. Quick, repeal the laws!

[Arridian Islands]

Marriage has historically always been between men and women. I think "gay marriage" is destroying our religious traditions and cultures, around the world. I think gays and such should be allowed to do what they want on their own time, but they shouldn't be infringing on peoples religious freedom like this, in my opinion. Most people in the world are opposed to gay marriage. I'm not even religious, but changing their tradition to fit LGBT views seems... wrong. Debate me if you disagree, as I'm sure almost everyone will lol.

Also people who eat beef or pork are against some religious traditions and cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_ ... ohibitions

Various religions forbid the consumption of certain types of food. For example, Judaism prescribes a strict set of rules, called Kashrut, regarding what may and may not be eaten, and notably forbidding the mixing of meat with dairy products. Islam has similar laws, dividing foods into haraam (forbidden) and halal (permitted). Jains often follow religious directives to observe vegetarianism. Most Hindus do not eat beef, and some Hindus apply the concept of ahimsa (non-violence) to their diet and consider vegetarianism as ideal, and practice forms of vegetarianism.

Then the Texan barbecue or the South African braai could be offensive towards Hindus, that could be a major problem, especially in South Africa since there are quite a lot of Hindus.
How would you deal with such problem?

I eat both beef and pork because I don't follow such religions.
YOUR religion say that YOU cannot marry a person of your same sex.
I don't follow YOUR religion.
It's that simple.

Doesn't mean you should harass the people who are against eating things like pork, or beef.

[Vassenor]

Also people who eat beef or pork are against some religious traditions and cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_ ... ohibitions



Then the Texan barbecue or the South African braai could be offensive towards Hindus, that could be a major problem, especially in South Africa since there are quite a lot of Hindus.
How would you deal with such problem?

I eat both beef and pork because I don't follow such religions.
YOUR religion say that YOU cannot marry a person of your same sex.
I don't follow YOUR religion.
It's that simple.

Doesn't mean you should harass the people who are against eating things like pork, or beef.

So why is it justified to harass people who are in favour of same-sex marriage?

[Arridian Islands]

Gay marriage hasn't even existed before the 21st century. God, learn some history man.

The existence of same-sex marriage has been around since classical times, and even under the rigid social conservatism homophobia of Western Christian times, unions between two of the same sex still occurred. Not to mention the existence of unions between Two Spirit people in the Americas. God, learn some history man. Or at least read a damn Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... sex_unions

Oh, I messed up there. I meant more that gay marriage has only been popular nowadays, and has never been much of an issue before.

[Chessmistress]

Doesn't mean you should harass the people who are against eating things like pork, or beef.

Why do you harass people who are against eating things like pork, or beef, then?
You eat at least one of those two things...

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Okay, to simplify things further for you: No culture can be objectively "better" than any other. And although you may not have explicitly mentioned skin colour, it is implied -- and to be clear, I wasn't accusing you of being racist; I was simply using "white" to clarify the group to which I was referring.

And honestly, I don't see why any civilisation should be declared a "winner" of anything. Living as a human in this world is not a contest.

Cultures that promote individual rights and oppose senseless murder are objectively better. NEXT

Ah yes, I love the smell of biases in the evening.

Cultures that promote individual rights and oppose senseless murder are not objectively better.

Almost all cultures oppose senseless murder because it makes sense that for a culture to exist, someone has to live in it. And assimilation is better than death for the culture in question, too.

Individual rights are neither her nor there. They're simply irrelevant.