Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:47 amSocialist Tera wrote:Fascism was defending the status quo and killing the "non-desirable".
So was Stalinism!
So was Stalinism!
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:47 amSo was Stalinism!
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:49 amNot exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:52 amBonapartism / traditional Bonapartism / the original form of it, which I adopted and changed slightly to suit my political views, is for what is essentially a conservative military dictatorship that is anti-elitist/popular. In fact, Bonapartism is associated with Marxism and other socialist/communist ideologies.
I took it and made it my own via self-proclaimed 'Neo-Bonapartism'.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:05 amAdd Pornocracy to the poll. It's the only true choice for adherents of the mighty Chaos God of Slaanesh.
Furthermore I think it is Time to Discuss the Merits and disadvantages of such a Form of Government.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:06 amDushan wrote:Great Kauthar wrote:Favourite government type? That's a lot broader so it could work better.
Add Pornocracy to the poll. It's the only true choice for adherents of the mighty Chaos God of Slaanesh.
Furthermore I think it is Time to Discuss the Merits and disadvantages of such a Form of Government.
The main disadvantage being that it runs on heresy.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:07 amSocialist Tera wrote:The Kievan People wrote:
So was Stalinism!
Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*
Fascism did not want to bring back feudalism, and it probably had more in common with Lenin and the Bolsheviks than it did with a lot of conservative movements. For instance, Futurists played a role in both movements, with the founder of Futurism literally writing the Fascist manifesto in 1919.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:11 amThats one of it's big advantages.
It runs on the Energy of Chaos and Lust, concentrated and focussed in a form of Government which not rejects but instead uses those forces to fuel it's existence.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:13 amDagashi wrote:Socialist Tera wrote:Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*
Fascism did not want to bring back feudalism, and it probably had more in common with Lenin and the Bolsheviks than it did with a lot of conservative movements. For instance, Futurists played a role in both movements, with the founder of Futurism literally writing the Fascist manifesto in 1919.
Pah. Maintaining the status quo of Russia was feudalism. Lenin never advocated bringing back the old feudal order.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:15 amfreedom!
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:20 amDushan wrote:Great Kauthar wrote:Favourite government type? That's a lot broader so it could work better.
Add Pornocracy to the poll. It's the only true choice for adherents of the mighty Chaos God of Slaanesh.
Furthermore I think it is Time to Discuss the Merits and disadvantages of such a Form of Government.
The downside is it's not robotism, not that they're mutually exclusive ideologies.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:29 amNeither Hitler or Mussolini were defending the status quo with their regimes. A populist state centered around a charismatic strong man who is said to embody the will of the masses originated in Fiume with Gabriele D'Annunzio rather than the status quo.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:29 amSocialist Tera wrote:Dagashi wrote:
Fascism did not want to bring back feudalism, and it probably had more in common with Lenin and the Bolsheviks than it did with a lot of conservative movements. For instance, Futurists played a role in both movements, with the founder of Futurism literally writing the Fascist manifesto in 1919.
Pah. Maintaining the status quo of Russia was feudalism. Lenin never advocated bringing back the old feudal order.
There's a lot more to fascism than "maintaining the status quo". Fascism is an explicitly corporatist ideology.
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:58 amI wonder if I should start posting in this thread eh?
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:00 amSocialist Tera wrote:Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*
You know "bringing back" is by definition not "status quo", right?
Stalinism was definitely fixated on maintaining the communist system. He inherited a country which was already under the control of the communist party, and the people he killed were in his mind threats to that system. Even in Marxist terms he never made any step towards realizing the withering away of the state. Quite the opposite, he expanded the power of the state massively under the Communist Party (the so-called dictatorship of the proletariat which is supposed to be a transitional phase) and was right up until the moment of his death planning new purges.
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:01 amPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:03 amThe Alexanderians wrote:I wonder if I should start posting in this thread eh?
Join us, Alex. Join the semi-theocratic Soviet Socialist bloc! (currently consists of me).
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:04 amThe Kievan People wrote:Socialist Tera wrote:Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*
You know "bringing back" is by definition not "status quo", right?
Stalinism was definitely fixated on maintaining the communist system. He inherited a country which was already under the control of the communist party, and the people he killed were in his mind threats to that system. Even in Marxist terms he never made any step towards realizing the withering away of the state. Quite the opposite, he expanded the power of the state massively under the Communist Party (the so-called dictatorship of the proletariat which is supposed to be a transitional phase) and was right up until the moment of his death planning new purges.
I actually agree Stalin was not a revolutionary communist leader, this is actual critique, Stalin would not lead towards communism, he was a socialist leader. He was concerned with security and making sure the revolution was strong. You can't wither the state away until we kill capitalism.
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I am the man who arranges the blocs"
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:41 amPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:42 amPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:55 amUnited Marxist Nations wrote:There's nothing like that new thread smell.
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