US General Election Thread III: Clinton vs. Trump

[Gauthier]

http://dcpols.com/sarah-palin-blames-hillary-clinton-for-the-crack-on-her-head/?fb_ref=Default

Sarah Palin gets hit in head by rock, blames Hillary.

Is this the start of a "thanks Hillary" meme? Oh happy day!

Obviously it wasn't Hillary. If it was, Sarah would be dead of course

And if it was Bill she'd have felt something else besides a rock to the head.

[Neo Bavaria]

Perhaps we should focus on policy instead of the divisive identity politics, which are just a smokescreen for politicians to carve out favors for special interest groups.

That doesn't make much sense because most "identity" groups have the same interests - opportunity, security, freedom, and prosperity. We could talk about what we have in common.

That is absurdly hypocritical. Assuming you share anywhere near the opinion of 99% of the pundits in the US, you would certainly not argue that a group calling itself "White Lives Matter" or "White Panthers" would advocate for opportunity, security, freedom, and prosperity. You would most likely argue (correctly) that that they advocate for genocide, racism, and ultra-nationalism. But suddenly the facade drops when the groups in question are representative of blacks or homosexuals or Latinos. Now, I'm not saying those groups advocate for genocide, they don't (outside of some extremist BLM sects), but to argue that they want any form of unity or have shared interests that extend to other groups besides the ones they represent is simply downright absurd. In fact, to the most simple extent, if, for example, the Black Panthers gave equal consideration to Latinos, or even similar consideration to Latinos, as they do to Blacks they would not have called themselves the "BLACK Panthers".

Saying that identity politics will just magically work because "Everyone will just agree they all want to be treated better" is downright absurd. Even the very existence of divisions in names leads to divisions in goals, this is an established psychological fact. Hell, it was the justification we gave for repealing Separate But Equal Segregation, and it was a damn good reason to do so. If we seek a better future for all Americans we can't just agree to all work together separately, we have to form movements that focus on unity and collective elevation.

[Neo Bavaria]

http://dcpols.com/sarah-palin-blames-hillary-clinton-for-the-crack-on-her-head/?fb_ref=Default

Sarah Palin gets hit in head by rock, blames Hillary.

That is the most blatantly misleading article title, and the fact you took it seriously strikes me as a sign you didn't even read it. The article doesn't say that Palin blamed Hillary for the crack to her head, it says that she made fun of Hillary for staying out of the limelight for such long periods of time.

[Geilinor]

That doesn't make much sense because most "identity" groups have the same interests - opportunity, security, freedom, and prosperity. We could talk about what we have in common.

That is absurdly hypocritical. Assuming you share anywhere near the opinion of 99% of the pundits in the US, you would certainly not argue that a group calling itself "White Lives Matter" or "White Panthers" would advocate for opportunity, security, freedom, and prosperity. You would most likely argue (correctly) that that they advocate for genocide, racism, and ultra-nationalism. But suddenly the facade drops when the groups in question are representative of blacks or homosexuals or Latinos. Now, I'm not saying those groups advocate for genocide, they don't (outside of some extremist BLM sects), but to argue that they want any form of unity or have shared interests that extend to other groups besides the ones they represent is simply downright absurd. In fact, to the most simple extent, if, for example, the Black Panthers gave equal consideration to Latinos, or even similar consideration to Latinos, as they do to Blacks they would not have called themselves the "BLACK Panthers".

Saying that identity politics will just magically work because "Everyone will just agree they all want to be treated better" is downright absurd. Even the very existence of divisions in names leads to divisions in goals, this is an established psychological fact. Hell, it was the justification we gave for repealing Separate But Equal Segregation, and it was a damn good reason to do so. If we seek a better future for all Americans we can't just agree to all work together separately, we have to form movements that focus on unity and collective elevation.

I think you've misunderstood my point. I wasn't speaking of organizations such as BLM or others. My argument is that most Americans, regardless of race or ethnicity, want similar things and so we should focus on unity and collective elevation. I'm no fan of identity politics but I don't think talking about it is always pandering to special interest groups.

[Neo Bavaria]

That is absurdly hypocritical. Assuming you share anywhere near the opinion of 99% of the pundits in the US, you would certainly not argue that a group calling itself "White Lives Matter" or "White Panthers" would advocate for opportunity, security, freedom, and prosperity. You would most likely argue (correctly) that that they advocate for genocide, racism, and ultra-nationalism. But suddenly the facade drops when the groups in question are representative of blacks or homosexuals or Latinos. Now, I'm not saying those groups advocate for genocide, they don't (outside of some extremist BLM sects), but to argue that they want any form of unity or have shared interests that extend to other groups besides the ones they represent is simply downright absurd. In fact, to the most simple extent, if, for example, the Black Panthers gave equal consideration to Latinos, or even similar consideration to Latinos, as they do to Blacks they would not have called themselves the "BLACK Panthers".

Saying that identity politics will just magically work because "Everyone will just agree they all want to be treated better" is downright absurd. Even the very existence of divisions in names leads to divisions in goals, this is an established psychological fact. Hell, it was the justification we gave for repealing Separate But Equal Segregation, and it was a damn good reason to do so. If we seek a better future for all Americans we can't just agree to all work together separately, we have to form movements that focus on unity and collective elevation.

I think you've misunderstood my point. I wasn't speaking of organizations such as BLM or others. My argument is that most Americans, regardless of race or ethnicity, want similar things and so we should focus on unity and collective elevation. I'm no fan of identity politics but I don't think talking about it is always pandering to special interest groups.

Yeah, I seem to be really bad about that. Well, if were endorsing identity politics, that is what I would say.

[Liriena]

Holy crap, Paul LePage is a Trumpian nightmare. I wish he were up for reelection this year, so Trump could drag him down with him.

[Eol Sha]

Interesting video from someone named Lauren Southern on Rebel Media. She has some interesting things to say about celebrities and politics and vote getting in between the...hyperbole. I think indoctrinated is too strong a word, but influenced/manipulated definitely works.

[Maineiacs]

Holy crap, Paul LePage is a Trumpian nightmare. I wish he were up for reelection this year, so Trump could drag him down with him.

Thankfully, he can't run for a third term.

EDIT: He could if he waits four years beyond 2018.

[Neo Bavaria]

Holy crap, Paul LePage is a Trumpian nightmare. I wish he were up for reelection this year, so Trump could drag him down with him.

Being a Mainer myself, I can tell you that Paul LePage is not like any of the political candidates. He's just a nutjob and everyone here knows it. Literally the only reason he won is because neither Michaud nor Cutler dropped out. People are so mad about it that we're actually putting preferential voting on the ballot in November.

[Liriena]

Holy crap, Paul LePage is a Trumpian nightmare. I wish he were up for reelection this year, so Trump could drag him down with him.

Being a Mainer myself, I can tell you that Paul LePage is not like any of the political candidates. He's just a nutjob and everyone here knows it. Literally the only reason he won is because neither Michaud nor Cutler dropped out. People are so mad about it that we're actually putting preferential voting on the ballot in November.

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

[Maineiacs]

Being a Mainer myself, I can tell you that Paul LePage is not like any of the political candidates. He's just a nutjob and everyone here knows it. Literally the only reason he won is because neither Michaud nor Cutler dropped out. People are so mad about it that we're actually putting preferential voting on the ballot in November.

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

I think the Legislature is afraid of him.

[Geilinor]

Being a Mainer myself, I can tell you that Paul LePage is not like any of the political candidates. He's just a nutjob and everyone here knows it. Literally the only reason he won is because neither Michaud nor Cutler dropped out. People are so mad about it that we're actually putting preferential voting on the ballot in November.

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

Being a racist nutjob isn't a crime, but I don't know about the recall process in Maine, if there is one.

[Neo Bavaria]

Being a Mainer myself, I can tell you that Paul LePage is not like any of the political candidates. He's just a nutjob and everyone here knows it. Literally the only reason he won is because neither Michaud nor Cutler dropped out. People are so mad about it that we're actually putting preferential voting on the ballot in November.

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

Because he hasn't done anything illegal that we can prove as of yet. You can't impeach a governor or a president for being a tremendous asshat (which LePage certainly is), only for breaking the law as applies to him in an executive position (which LePage, awful as he is, certainly has not).

I will tell you this though: doesn't matter if the next Republican candidate for the governorship was Reagan himself, he wouldn't be voted in after this moron tarnished their name for the last 8 years. Too much bad press, the Republicans need a cooldown period.

[Nariterrr]

Being a Mainer myself, I can tell you that Paul LePage is not like any of the political candidates. He's just a nutjob and everyone here knows it. Literally the only reason he won is because neither Michaud nor Cutler dropped out. People are so mad about it that we're actually putting preferential voting on the ballot in November.

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

LePage has a lot of yes men.

[Liriena]

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

Because he hasn't done anything illegal that we can prove as of yet. You can't impeach a governor or a president for being a tremendous asshat (which LePage certainly is), only for breaking the law as applies to him in an executive position (which LePage, awful as he is, certainly has not).

I will tell you this though: doesn't matter if the next Republican candidate for the governorship was Reagan himself, he wouldn't be voted in after this moron tarnished their name for the last 8 years. Too much bad press, the Republicans need a cooldown period.

You mean a time out in the corner, while wearing the cone of shame?

[Neo Bavaria]

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

I think the Legislature is afraid of him.

They're not, and they've been doing as much to block him as he has been doing to block them.

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

Being a racist nutjob isn't a crime, but I don't know about the recall process in Maine, if there is one.

Sadly we have no recall process at this time.

[The Liberated Territories]

Interesting video from someone named Lauren Southern on Rebel Media. She has some interesting things to say about celebrities and politics and vote getting in between the...right-wing talking points.

Southern is bae

[Nariterrr]

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

Because he hasn't done anything illegal that we can prove as of yet. You can't impeach a governor or a president for being a tremendous asshat (which LePage certainly is), only for breaking the law as applies to him in an executive position (which LePage, awful as he is, certainly has not).

I will tell you this though: doesn't matter if the next Republican candidate for the governorship was Reagan himself, he wouldn't be voted in after this moron tarnished their name for the last 8 years. Too much bad press, the Republicans need a cooldown period.

The problem is, Republicans aren't allowing themselves to have a cooldown period.

[Neo Bavaria]

Because he hasn't done anything illegal that we can prove as of yet. You can't impeach a governor or a president for being a tremendous asshat (which LePage certainly is), only for breaking the law as applies to him in an executive position (which LePage, awful as he is, certainly has not).

I will tell you this though: doesn't matter if the next Republican candidate for the governorship was Reagan himself, he wouldn't be voted in after this moron tarnished their name for the last 8 years. Too much bad press, the Republicans need a cooldown period.

You mean a time out in the corner, while wearing the cone of shame?

Nah, even the Republicans hate him. Odds are The Elephant will throw its weight behind a strong Independent or a moderate Democrat, and then spend the next 4-8 years basically going "Heh, isn't this so much better than LePage guys?" and just playing up how much they hated the guy. Then they'll put in a strong candidate.

[Neo Bavaria]

Because he hasn't done anything illegal that we can prove as of yet. You can't impeach a governor or a president for being a tremendous asshat (which LePage certainly is), only for breaking the law as applies to him in an executive position (which LePage, awful as he is, certainly has not).

I will tell you this though: doesn't matter if the next Republican candidate for the governorship was Reagan himself, he wouldn't be voted in after this moron tarnished their name for the last 8 years. Too much bad press, the Republicans need a cooldown period.

The problem is, Republicans aren't allowing themselves to have a cooldown period.

Are you a Mainer?

[Maineiacs]

How the heck has he avoided impeachment, though?

Being a racist nutjob isn't a crime, but I don't know about the recall process in Maine, if there is one.

There is no recall provision in this state. The State Senate Majority Leader says we should have an Amendment so that we can.


http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2016/The-t ... 344c27ba70

[Eol Sha]

Interesting video from someone named Lauren Southern on Rebel Media. She has some interesting things to say about celebrities and politics and vote getting in between the...right-wing talking points.

Southern is bae

I mean, honestly, I didn't think about what she was talking about. Yeah, I'm sure some celebrities are real supporters of Clinton's (like been with her since '08 real), but many of them are probably just doing it for the money they get for "supporting" Hillary Clinton.

[The Liberated Territories]

Southern is bae

I mean, honestly, I didn't think about what she was talking about. Yeah, I'm sure some celebrities are real supporters of Clinton's (like been with her since '08 real), but many of them are probably just doing it for the money they get for "supporting" Hillary Clinton.

I can't imagine it working well for any celebrity to endorse Donald Trump unless they are seriously politically incorrect, maybe some comedians...

[Neo Bavaria]

I mean, honestly, I didn't think about what she was talking about. Yeah, I'm sure some celebrities are real supporters of Clinton's (like been with her since '08 real), but many of them are probably just doing it for the money they get for "supporting" Hillary Clinton.

I can't imagine it working well for any celebrity to endorse Donald Trump unless they are seriously incorrect, maybe some comedians...

Basically this:
--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_Factor

[Eol Sha]

I can't imagine it working well for any celebrity to endorse Donald Trump unless they are seriously incorrect, maybe some comedians...

Basically this:
--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_Factor

More like most Americans are repulsed by Trump, but ok.

I mean, honestly, I didn't think about what she was talking about. Yeah, I'm sure some celebrities are real supporters of Clinton's (like been with her since '08 real), but many of them are probably just doing it for the money they get for "supporting" Hillary Clinton.

I can't imagine it working well for any celebrity to endorse Donald Trump unless they are seriously incorrect, maybe some comedians...

If the RNC is a representative sample, most of the celebrities brought onstage weren't really big name. Maybe with the exception of the one Duck Dynasty guy they could get to Cleveland (remember the father supported Ted Cruz; even filmed a campaign ad with him).