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Falklands is Britain or Malvinas is Argentina?

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What should happen to the Malvinas/Falklands?

No, should be British
1
9%
Yes, it should be part of Argentina
10
91%
It should decide for independence and self-determination
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 11

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Falklands is Britain or Malvinas is Argentina?

Postby Duchy of Sark » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:15 am

I'm sure that many people the Falklands/Malvinas soverignty referendum in 2013, where 99.2% of Falklanders allegedly voted to say British and not be transferred to Argentinian control, which is an internationally recognised claim. There was also concern by Russian election monitoring officials about the legitimacy of the referendum, which cites it probably as a fake undemocratic one not respecting the wishes of the indigenous population.

Also, polls cannot be edited without violating Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe and United Nations international law theoretically. So don't worry about it. :)

To edit polls, the results would restart if I did that, you are disagreeing with international law through the inter-face GUI of the polls if you edit with no results change, so any accusation of poll editing is either false or an Interpol warrant arrest.

The OP need to be authenticated by the NationStates API cyber system for the polls to go to International UN server organisations, where all of them do a handshake encrypted peer to peer cyber-verification codes which if the polls are editied, hackers they are over riding the system and need to be brought to international justice by an authority figure such as Max Barry or an system administator.

The system administrators are fixing the polls when an incidient is happening and not you or me (forum user priveleges only globally), as if I did it the results would reset, is this technicaly correct? #

You need to speak to them to deal with the hackers but I need to see an international law enforcer administrator on the scene to make a ruling about this.

If there is more substantial problems with this, I might recommend have to close poll down because it's violating United Nations international law on democratic voting by not being securely un-hackable.

This is the DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES
FOR INTERNATIONAL
ELECTION OBSERVATION
and
CODE OF CONDUCT
FOR INTERNATIONAL
ELECTION OBSERVERS officially by the OSCE.

To edit polls, the results would restart if I did that, you are disagreeing with international law through the inter-face GUI of the polls if you edit with no results change, so any accusation of poll editing is either false or an Interpol warrant arrest.

The OP need to be authenticated by the NationStates API cyber system for the polls to go to International UN server organisations, where all of them do a handshake encrypted peer to peer cyber-verification codes which if the polls are editied, hackers they are over riding the system and need to be brought to international justice by an authority figure such as Max Barry or an system administator.

The system administrators are fixing the polls when an incidient is happening and not you or me (forum user priveleges only globally), as if I did it the results would reset, is this technicaly correct? #

You need to speak to them to deal with the hackers but I need to see an international law enforcer administrator on the scene to make a ruling about this.

If there is more substantial problems with this, I might recommend have to close poll down because it's violating United Nations international law on democratic voting by not being securely un-hackable.

What is the nation states ruling on this?

http://www.falklands.gov.fk/our-home/our-islands/ says about the islands:

Geologically the Falklands were once a part of East Africa, and as such we have some interesting and unusual landscape features such as stone runs, ‘rivers’ of angular quartzite boulders that ‘flow’ from the hilltops. The main soil type is peat and natural vegetation is grassland, with some species of heath and dwarf shrubs. There are no indigenous trees, although cultivated trees do grow.

We responsibly manage our resources in order to protect our home. Our farming practices are largely organic, our ecotourism industry is famous across the world, our fisheries are internationally acclaimed for their responsible management and sustainability, and our developing oil industry is managed by our Government and regulated to a minimum of UK North Sea standards.

I personally think that the colonialism needs to end with the imperialism habits defeated and taken down for a new age of peace and prosperity in the world, so I would like the Argentine military to enter the Falklands and liberate the indigenous population of it and give them the referendum choice to federate into Argentina or be an Argentina-protected independent nation safe from British invasion, but now you need to decide for yourself and argue your points on the thread, and vote on the poll to project who is who on the sides of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO7SDYFGymI explains this easily and why Las Malvinas belongs to Argentina, this will probably be less of a wall of text than the current Falkland's government argument.

http://www.falklands.gov.fk/self-govern ... argentina/ says:
"The current Argentine administration has made the Argentine claim to our home a key part of its foreign policy agenda in recent years. In furtherance of this, the Argentine government continually makes a number of inaccurate statements relating to our history and our people.

Our publication Falkland Islands, Facts and Fictions – ’50 Years of Argentine Falsehoods at the United Nations’ outlines and corrects some of these statements that are brought before the United Nations. You can download the publication in English: Falkland Islands, Facts & Fictions – ’50 Years of Argentine Falsehoods at the United Nations‘ and in Spanish: Islas Falkland, Hechos y Ficcións – ’50 años de falsedades argentinas en las Naciones Unidas’

The Falkland Islands had no indigenous population prior to their settlement by our ancestors– the Islands were unoccupied. Argentina claims the Falkland Islands form part of the province of Tierra del Fuego – an area that was not claimed as a part of the Republic of Argentina until after two generations of Falkland Islanders had been born and raised in our Islands.

There is no truth to Argentine claims that a civilian population was expelled by Britain in 1833. The people expelled were an illegal Argentine military garrison, who had arrived three months earlier. The civilian population in the Islands, who had sought permission from Britain to live there, were invited to stay. All but two of them, with their partners, did so.

We are not an implanted population. Our community has been formed through voluntary immigration and settlement over the course of nearly two hundred years. We are a diverse society, with people from around the world having made the Islands their home. We are no more an implanted population than are the various populations of South America whose ancestors arrived as immigrants from Europe – we arrived here as part of the same process and pattern of migration.

The UN Charter enshrines the right of all people to determine their own future, a principle known as self-determination. It is in exercising this right that we have chosen to retain our links with the UK. This fundamental right is being ignored by the Argentine Government, who are denying our right to exist as a people, and denying our right to live peacefully in our home.

We are not a colony of the United Kingdom; we are a British Overseas Territory by choice, which is something entirely different. We are not governed by Britain: we are entirely self-governing, except for defence and foreign affairs. We democratically elect our Legislative Assembly Members; they are chosen by the people of the Falkland Islands to represent them and to determine and administer our own policies and legislation.

We are economically self-sufficient, except for the cost of defence – for which there would be no need were it not for the claim made by an aggressive neighbour. Through our own efforts, our economy allows us to enjoy excellent health services and education provision, with Falkland Islanders studying for their A-levels and degrees overseas, paid for by the Falkland Islands Government. It is testament to the strong bond our young people have with their home that nearly all return on completion of their studies and having gained experience in their chosen fields.

The Argentine Government claims that the UK is exploiting the natural resources of the region; an absurd claim on a number of fronts. Firstly, we manage our own resources. Our farming practices are largely organic, our ecotourism industry is famous across the world, our fisheries are internationally acclaimed for their responsible management and sustainability, and our developing oil industry is managed by our Government and regulated to the highest international standards. Our environment is very much our home, and as such we value and protect it.

Whilst the Argentine Government’s calls for negotiations with the UK may seem benign, and a rational way to end the dispute, it should be noted that the Argentine Constitution requires the outcome of negotiations to be nothing but full Argentine sovereignty over our home. As far as we are concerned, sovereignty is not up for discussion. On all other fronts, we want nothing more than to have a relationship of cooperation for mutual benefit with Argentina and all of our neighbours. This has proved impossible in recent years. In 1995, we entered a joint agreement with Argentina over hydrocarbons exploration: in 2007 the Argentine Government tore this up. In 1999, the Falkland Islands signed a joint agreement with Argentina to co-operate in a number of areas, including sharing of information on joint fish stocks. Only the Falkland Islands has upheld its side of this agreement; the Argentine Government has unilaterally reneged on nearly every point.

More recent actions such as attempts to ban our ships from entering South American ports, Decree 256 which denies innocent passage of vessels transiting Argentine waters, the banning of charter flights in support of our tourism industry, laws threatening sanctions against companies involved in peaceful commerce in both countries, all point to a desire by Argentina to frustrate our international trade and attempt to isolate us.

The Falkland Islanders are a peaceful, hard-working and resilient people. Our society is thriving and forward-looking. All we ask is to be left in peace to choose our own future, and responsibly develop our home for our children and generations to come."
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Postby Herargon » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:19 am

There isn't a third poll option to choose from, like 'Stay as a part of the UK's overseas territories'...
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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:19 am

So now you've decided to not include the British option on the poll at all? I feel this is going to end badly.
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Postby Duchy of Sark » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:20 am

Herargon wrote:There isn't a third poll option to choose from, like 'Remain together with the UK'...

Ok, the wording might be confusing. i will add a new option

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Postby Duchy of Sark » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:20 am

Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:So now you've decided to not include the British option on the poll at all? I feel this is going to end badly.

The poll option wording must have been too vague.

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Postby Elepis » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:24 am

They voted to stay in Britain by almost 90%, so they should stay. If the majority want to leave they can, but they don't want to so we have no right to make them join Argentina.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:29 am

Duchy of Sark wrote:Also, polls cannot be edited without violating Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe and United Nations international law theoretically. So don't worry about it. :)

To edit polls, the results would restart if I did that, you are disagreeing with international law through the inter-face GUI of the polls if you edit with no results change, so any accusation of poll editing is either false or an Interpol warrant arrest.

The OP need to be authenticated by the NationStates API cyber system for the polls to go to International UN server organisations, where all of them do a handshake encrypted peer to peer cyber-verification codes which if the polls are editied, hackers they are over riding the system and need to be brought to international justice by an authority figure such as Max Barry or an system administator.

The system administrators are fixing the polls when an incidient is happening and not you or me (forum user priveleges only globally), as if I did it the results would reset, is this technicaly correct? #

You need to speak to them to deal with the hackers but I need to see an international law enforcer administrator on the scene to make a ruling about this.

If there is more substantial problems with this, I might recommend have to close poll down because it's violating United Nations international law on democratic voting by not being securely un-hackable.

This is the DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES
FOR INTERNATIONAL
ELECTION OBSERVATION
and
CODE OF CONDUCT
FOR INTERNATIONAL
ELECTION OBSERVERS officially by the OSCE.

To edit polls, the results would restart if I did that, you are disagreeing with international law through the inter-face GUI of the polls if you edit with no results change, so any accusation of poll editing is either false or an Interpol warrant arrest.

The OP need to be authenticated by the NationStates API cyber system for the polls to go to International UN server organisations, where all of them do a handshake encrypted peer to peer cyber-verification codes which if the polls are editied, hackers they are over riding the system and need to be brought to international justice by an authority figure such as Max Barry or an system administator.

The system administrators are fixing the polls when an incidient is happening and not you or me (forum user priveleges only globally), as if I did it the results would reset, is this technicaly correct? #

You need to speak to them to deal with the hackers but I need to see an international law enforcer administrator on the scene to make a ruling about this.

If there is more substantial problems with this, I might recommend have to close poll down because it's violating United Nations international law on democratic voting by not being securely un-hackable.

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Postby Indo-Japanese Separatist Districts » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:31 am

*cough*falklands are british*cough*
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Postby Duchy of Sark » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:32 am

Indo-Japanese Separatist Districts wrote:*cough*falklands are british*cough*

Where is proof, it's in Argentina maritime waters.

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Postby Vlamistaatti » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:32 am

Well, it would "look" better on map if Falklands belonged to Argentina, but that's as far as it goes. Island is going to stay British anyways.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:34 am

I kept an eye on this topic, and you manipulated the poll again.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:51 am

Actually, looking into it, more a case of "pop goes the DOS."
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