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Is the leaks a massive blow to the DNC?

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Postby Khadgar » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:14 am

Herskerstad wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I wonder just how much it will take to bring down the democrats. Probably quite a bit considering what democrat supporters have been willing to overlook so far.


Hillary could have a weekly Watergate and just because she herself did not install the bugs claim plausible deniability to the election and beyond.


I'm confused as to how the DNC getting hacked has turned into "Hillary's a criminal"
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:22 am

Khadgar wrote:
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Hillary could have a weekly Watergate and just because she herself did not install the bugs claim plausible deniability to the election and beyond.


I'm confused as to how the DNC getting hacked has turned into "Hillary's a criminal"


Because everything proves she's a criminal.

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Postby Khadgar » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:24 am

Vassenor wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
I'm confused as to how the DNC getting hacked has turned into "Hillary's a criminal"


Because everything proves she's a criminal.

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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:24 am

Khadgar wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
Hillary could have a weekly Watergate and just because she herself did not install the bugs claim plausible deniability to the election and beyond.


I'm confused as to how the DNC getting hacked has turned into "Hillary's a criminal"


She effectively owns the DNC.
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:30 am

If you want people to move away from Hilary, make the guy she's running against not Donald Trump. There's a lot of stuff she'd need to do before she becomes the worst candidate.

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Postby Ashlak » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:37 am

Twilight Imperium wrote:If you want people to move away from Hilary, make the guy she's running against not Donald Trump. There's a lot of stuff she'd need to do before she becomes the worst candidate.


While Trump is the worst of the two, it's not going to be the end of the world if he wins. If he does win, he'll basically just govern like your standard establishment Republican, which will suck, but it's something we've dealt with before. If we lasted two terms with Bush Jr., we can last at least one term with Mango Man.

At this point, I'm more concerned with electing down ballot progressives than anything else.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:40 am

Ashlak wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:If you want people to move away from Hilary, make the guy she's running against not Donald Trump. There's a lot of stuff she'd need to do before she becomes the worst candidate.


While Trump is the worst of the two, it's not going to be the end of the world if he wins. If he does win, he'll basically just govern like your standard establishment Republican, which will suck, but it's something we've dealt with before. If we lasted two terms with Bush Jr., we can last at least one term with Mango Man.

At this point, I'm more concerned with electing down ballot progressives than anything else.

it will suck BIGLY when they repeal Obamacare, when they privatize social security and voucherize medicare, when they blow a huge hole in the deficit by passing tax cuts for the rich requiring huge cuts in the social safety net.
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Postby Xadufell » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:41 am

Ashlak wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:If you want people to move away from Hilary, make the guy she's running against not Donald Trump. There's a lot of stuff she'd need to do before she becomes the worst candidate.


While Trump is the worst of the two, it's not going to be the end of the world if he wins. If he does win, he'll basically just govern like your standard establishment Republican, which will suck, but it's something we've dealt with before. If we lasted two terms with Bush Jr., we can last at least one term with Mango Man.

At this point, I'm more concerned with electing down ballot progressives than anything else.


And here I was thinking that political nicknaming against the rules.
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Postby Ashlak » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:44 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Ashlak wrote:
While Trump is the worst of the two, it's not going to be the end of the world if he wins. If he does win, he'll basically just govern like your standard establishment Republican, which will suck, but it's something we've dealt with before. If we lasted two terms with Bush Jr., we can last at least one term with Mango Man.

At this point, I'm more concerned with electing down ballot progressives than anything else.

it will suck BIGLY when they repeal Obamacare, when they privatize social security and voucherize medicare, when they blow a huge hole in the deficit by passing tax cuts for the rich requiring huge cuts in the social safety net.


Which is why I want to elect more progressives so they can oppose him if he does win.

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Ashlak wrote:
While Trump is the worst of the two, it's not going to be the end of the world if he wins. If he does win, he'll basically just govern like your standard establishment Republican, which will suck, but it's something we've dealt with before. If we lasted two terms with Bush Jr., we can last at least one term with Mango Man.

At this point, I'm more concerned with electing down ballot progressives than anything else.


And here I was thinking that political nicknaming against the rules.


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Postby Individual Concerns » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:56 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
I'm confused as to how the DNC getting hacked has turned into "Hillary's a criminal"


She effectively owns the DNC.

Which explains how and why it has degenerated into such a fractious affair.

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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:10 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Ashlak wrote:
While Trump is the worst of the two, it's not going to be the end of the world if he wins. If he does win, he'll basically just govern like your standard establishment Republican, which will suck, but it's something we've dealt with before. If we lasted two terms with Bush Jr., we can last at least one term with Mango Man.

At this point, I'm more concerned with electing down ballot progressives than anything else.

it will suck BIGLY when they repeal Obamacare, when they privatize social security and voucherize medicare, when they blow a huge hole in the deficit by passing tax cuts for the rich requiring huge cuts in the social safety net.


Leave Obamacare alone, just eliminate the private mandate.

Private retirement accounts far out perform Social Security returns. Of course, the problem is that the government can't raid the private accounts like they can SS.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:10 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:it will suck BIGLY when they repeal Obamacare, when they privatize social security and voucherize medicare, when they blow a huge hole in the deficit by passing tax cuts for the rich requiring huge cuts in the social safety net.


Leave Obamacare alone, just eliminate the private mandate.

Private retirement accounts far out perform Social Security returns. Of course, the problem is that the government can't raid the private accounts like they can SS.


Free market does it better :p
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:15 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Leave Obamacare alone, just eliminate the private mandate.

Private retirement accounts far out perform Social Security returns. Of course, the problem is that the government can't raid the private accounts like they can SS.


Free market does it better :p


But why should the government limit itself to taxing the returns at 40% or less, when they can raid 100% of the SS fund?
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:30 am

Big Jim P wrote:
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Well, WikiLeaks has also stated that there is more to come, so I suppose we'll see.


I wonder just how much it will take to bring down the democrats. Probably quite a bit considering what democrat supporters have been willing to overlook so far.


Probably not as much as the republican supporters willing to overlook that Trump is practically owned by Russia, which would probably be exposed in those tax returns he doesn't want coming out.
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:36 am

Gauthier wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I wonder just how much it will take to bring down the democrats. Probably quite a bit considering what democrat supporters have been willing to overlook so far.


Probably not as much as the republican supporters willing to overlook that Trump is practically owned by Russia, which would probably be exposed in those tax returns he doesn't want coming out.


Ri-i-i-ight. Let's overlook the fact that the Saudis (among others) own hillary. :lol2:
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:40 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Probably not as much as the republican supporters willing to overlook that Trump is practically owned by Russia, which would probably be exposed in those tax returns he doesn't want coming out.


Ri-i-i-ight. Let's overlook the fact that the Saudis (among others) own hillary. :lol2:


Even if you actually have sources that aren't alt-right echo chambers rather than trying to throw a flimsy relative privation, let me know when Saudi hackers break into the RNC or Trump's files.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:40 am

Gauthier wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Ri-i-i-ight. Let's overlook the fact that the Saudis (among others) own hillary. :lol2:


Even if you actually have sources that aren't alt-right echo chambers rather than trying to throw a flimsy relative privation, let me know when Saudi hackers break into the RNC or Trump's files.


It kinda is a fact that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have given millions to the Clinton Foundation.
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Postby Xadufell » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:41 am

I find it ironic that the candidate who supports Cyber Security can't even keep her own stuff under security.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Even if you actually have sources that aren't alt-right echo chambers rather than trying to throw a flimsy relative privation, let me know when Saudi hackers break into the RNC or Trump's files.


It kinda is a fact that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have given millions to the Clinton Foundation.


The Saudis giving money to a non-profit started by the Clintons equals the Clintons being in hock to the Saudis but Trump's personal finances being backed by Russian oligarchs is perfectly fine. :roll:
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:44 am

Gauthier wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Ri-i-i-ight. Let's overlook the fact that the Saudis (among others) own hillary. :lol2:


Even if you actually have sources that aren't alt-right echo chambers rather than trying to throw a flimsy relative privation, let me know when Saudi hackers break into the RNC or Trump's files.


I don't see you posting any sources either. Remember: No left-wing echo chambers. :rofl:
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:45 am

Gauthier wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It kinda is a fact that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have given millions to the Clinton Foundation.


The Saudis giving money to a non-profit started by the Clintons equals the Clintons being in hock to Saudis but Trump's personal finances being backed by Russian oligarchs is perfectly fine. :roll:


A non-profit that uses 15% of it donations for it's supposed purpose. :rofl:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:47 am

Gauthier wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It kinda is a fact that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have given millions to the Clinton Foundation.


The Saudis giving money to a non-profit started by the Clintons equals the Clintons being in hock to Saudis but Trump's personal finances being backed by Russian oligarchs is perfectly fine. :roll:


The Clinton Foundation is about the worst non-profit on the planet, they don't even try to hide the corruption. Something like 90% of the money they bring in gets used to pay people in the Foundation or to pay for things like travel expenses.

Any chance you could source Trump's personal finances being backed by Russian oligarchs?
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:47 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Even if you actually have sources that aren't alt-right echo chambers rather than trying to throw a flimsy relative privation, let me know when Saudi hackers break into the RNC or Trump's files.


I don't see you posting any sources either. Remember: No left-wing echo chambers. :rofl:


Keep cackling.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:47 am

Penguin Union Nation wrote:It's not a massive blow at all.

It should be, but nobody has any integrity anymore, so everyone will just let it slide. Just as long as we beat "the enemy", it won't matter to us what our "allies" do.

Well now that the primaries are over, there's the election proper to focus on. Then there's celebrations or commiserations come November, then again in January. By then everyone will have forgotten all their problems with the primaries until 2020.
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Postby Arcipelago » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:49 am

Ashmoria wrote:it will suck BIGLY when they repeal Obamacare, when they privatize social security and voucherize medicare, when they blow a huge hole in the deficit by passing tax cuts for the rich requiring huge cuts in the social safety net.

All this sounds good to me
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