Unarmed therapist shot by police - had hands in air, on grnd

[Lupolska]

I am glad that the therapist and the patient were okay.

But this is occurring so often, I am doubtful that things will ever change for the better, especially so long as there is persistent racism against African-Americans, a major gun culture, and the stigmatization of the mentally ill.

Amen ! Until this nation can realize that a gun is made for one purpose and one purpose only : TO KILL
NUntil then, let the blood flow so high that creates a river of blood. Let the corpses build av hill and let the stench of there decay fill the land.

y-yes sir

[Bonnermannia]

German Police / US Police - Youtube

Just something I found on the internet

[Salus Maior]

I am glad that the therapist and the patient were okay.

But this is occurring so often, I am doubtful that things will ever change for the better, especially so long as there is persistent racism against African-Americans, a major gun culture, and the stigmatization of the mentally ill.

Amen ! Until this nation can realize that a gun is made for one purpose and one purpose only : TO KILL
NUntil then, let the blood flow so high that creates a river of blood. Let the corpses build av hill and let the stench of there decay fill the land.

Except killing is sometimes necessary. It's just the world we live in.

Until maybe they invent reliable stun-bullets, Cops will still need to have guns. It's just a matter of ensuring that they're all being responsible with them.

[Xenunian Galactic Confederacy]

Amen ! Until this nation can realize that a gun is made for one purpose and one purpose only : TO KILL
NUntil then, let the blood flow so high that creates a river of blood. Let the corpses build av hill and let the stench of there decay fill the land.


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Amen ! Until this nation can realize that a gun is made for one purpose and one purpose only : TO KILL
NUntil then, let the blood flow so high that creates a river of blood. Let the corpses build av hill and let the stench of there decay fill the land.

y-yes sir

I use a Kindle. That should explain why my typing is so bad.

[Ifreann]

Amen ! Until this nation can realize that a gun is made for one purpose and one purpose only : TO KILL
NUntil then, let the blood flow so high that creates a river of blood. Let the corpses build av hill and let the stench of there decay fill the land.

Except killing is sometimes necessary. It's just the world we live in.

Until maybe they invent reliable stun-bullets, Cops will still need to have guns. It's just a matter of ensuring that they're all being responsible with them.

There's rather a difference between a need for armed officers and a need for all officers to be armed.

[Hurdergaryp]

Except killing is sometimes necessary. It's just the world we live in.

Until maybe they invent reliable stun-bullets, Cops will still need to have guns. It's just a matter of ensuring that they're all being responsible with them.

There's rather a difference between a need for armed officers and a need for all officers to be armed.

That is a suspiciously British way of looking at the matter at hand, but I can't disagree with you there.

[Salus Maior]

Except killing is sometimes necessary. It's just the world we live in.

Until maybe they invent reliable stun-bullets, Cops will still need to have guns. It's just a matter of ensuring that they're all being responsible with them.

There's rather a difference between a need for armed officers and a need for all officers to be armed.

Wouldn't that create groups of officers that are easy targets for people who want to kill cops? Cause those kinds of people exist now.

[Ifreann]

There's rather a difference between a need for armed officers and a need for all officers to be armed.

Wouldn't that create groups of officers that are easy targets for people who are vengeful towards cops? Cause those kinds of people exist now.

Would it? Firearms, to the best of my knowledge, function as weapons in that they propel small pieces of metal at rather considerable speeds. They do not, again, to the best of my knowledge, create impenetrable forcefields or deploy impervious armour. Having a gun doesn't mean that one cannot be shot. It doesn't mean that a bomb cannot be placed under one's car. It doesn't mean that one's house cannot be burned down. It doesn't mean that one cannot be attacked from behind with a stick. It doesn't mean that one cannot be stuck with the pointy end of something. I suppose it might stop a bullet if one were shot in the hip from the side, but that seems fairly unlikely.

[Big Jim P]

Wouldn't that create groups of officers that are easy targets for people who are vengeful towards cops? Cause those kinds of people exist now.

Would it? Firearms, to the best of my knowledge, function as weapons in that they propel small pieces of metal at rather considerable speeds. They do not, again, to the best of my knowledge, create impenetrable forcefields or deploy impervious armour. Having a gun doesn't mean that one cannot be shot. It doesn't mean that a bomb cannot be placed under one's car. It doesn't mean that one's house cannot be burned down. It doesn't mean that one cannot be attacked from behind with a stick. It doesn't mean that one cannot be stuck with the pointy end of something. I suppose it might stop a bullet if one were shot in the hip from the side, but that seems fairly unlikely.

I read a report recently about a shooting where the victims shot actually went up the barrel and jammed his assailants gun.

[Imperializt Russia]

Would it? Firearms, to the best of my knowledge, function as weapons in that they propel small pieces of metal at rather considerable speeds. They do not, again, to the best of my knowledge, create impenetrable forcefields or deploy impervious armour. Having a gun doesn't mean that one cannot be shot. It doesn't mean that a bomb cannot be placed under one's car. It doesn't mean that one's house cannot be burned down. It doesn't mean that one cannot be attacked from behind with a stick. It doesn't mean that one cannot be stuck with the pointy end of something. I suppose it might stop a bullet if one were shot in the hip from the side, but that seems fairly unlikely.

I read a report recently about a shooting where the victims shot actually went up the barrel and jammed his assailants gun.

They're called "one in a million shots" for a reason.

[Ifreann]

Would it? Firearms, to the best of my knowledge, function as weapons in that they propel small pieces of metal at rather considerable speeds. They do not, again, to the best of my knowledge, create impenetrable forcefields or deploy impervious armour. Having a gun doesn't mean that one cannot be shot. It doesn't mean that a bomb cannot be placed under one's car. It doesn't mean that one's house cannot be burned down. It doesn't mean that one cannot be attacked from behind with a stick. It doesn't mean that one cannot be stuck with the pointy end of something. I suppose it might stop a bullet if one were shot in the hip from the side, but that seems fairly unlikely.

I read a report recently about a shooting where the victims shot actually went up the barrel and jammed his assailants gun.

Ha, holy shit.

[Big Jim P]

I read a report recently about a shooting where the victims shot actually went up the barrel and jammed his assailants gun.

Ha, holy shit.

On your main point you are correct though: guns don't make you magically invulnerable, and no pro-gunner says they do. They are just a tool, one that allows you to efficiently defend yourself (among other uses).

[Luziyca]

Jesus christ.

Every time I think we've hit rock bottom with this shit, the floor falls out from underneath to reveal a new, shittier layer of insanity.

I mean, fuck, is it really that hard to just not shoot people?

At this point, the USA is basically a lost cause. I am at the point where I feel Trump is the leader that America deserves, since he is like so many Americans...

But I don't really want to threadjack here.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Anyone know if any of the officers involved are veterans? I suspect there is some PTSD plus the military trains to shoot first think later. I just watched the Dylan video and I can't help but notice the kid looked scared, maybe high, and appeared to be messing around with his cellphone. I really can think of no reason they failed to identify a gun and shot him anyways.

[Pope Joan]

Anyone know if any of the officers involved are veterans? I suspect there is some PTSD plus the military trains to shoot first think later. I just watched the Dylan video and I can't help but notice the kid looked scared, maybe high, and appeared to be messing around with his cellphone. I really can think of no reason they failed to identify a gun and shot him anyways.

The two recent US snipers were veterans, one honorably discharged; many of their police victims were also veterans. All served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

It may be hard for someone leaving the service after active duty to find a job other than one that requires him to know firearns.

One thing seems clear: We are graduating an effective corps of shooters.

[Ethel mermania]

Anyone know if any of the officers involved are veterans? I suspect there is some PTSD plus the military trains to shoot first think later. I just watched the Dylan video and I can't help but notice the kid looked scared, maybe high, and appeared to be messing around with his cellphone. I really can think of no reason they failed to identify a gun and shot him anyways.

The two recent US snipers were veterans, one honorably discharged; many of their police victims were also veterans. All served in Iraq or Afghanistan.

It may be hard for someone leaving the service after active duty to find a job other than one that requires him to know firearns.

One thing seems clear: We are graduating an effective corps of shooters.

Not in this case, the cop was aiming for the kid.

[States of Glory]

There's rather a difference between a need for armed officers and a need for all officers to be armed.

That is a suspiciously British way of looking at the matter at hand, but I can't disagree with you there.

I may be wrong (please correct me if I am), but I believe that Ifreann is Irish. I don't know about the Irish police force and firearms, but I do know that police officers in Northern Ireland are armed (blame the Troubles). It's true, though, that only select officers are armed in the rest of the UK. Even then, guns are only used as a last resort if de-escalation, CS spray, batons and tasers don't work. Even then, cops have to write up a report if they so much as draw their firearm, let alone discharge it.

Now compare that to having your average traffic cop start shooting wildly if someone dares to go half a mile over the speed limit. I'm being hyperbolic, of course, but at this point, I'm sad to say that I won't be surprised.

[Heavonia]

That is a suspiciously British way of looking at the matter at hand, but I can't disagree with you there.

I may be wrong (please correct me if I am), but I believe that Ifreann is Irish. I don't know about the Irish police force and firearms, but I do know that police officers in Northern Ireland are armed (blame the Troubles). It's true, though, that only select officers are armed in the rest of the UK. Even then, guns are only used as a last resort if de-escalation, CS spray, batons and tasers don't work. Even then, cops have to write up a report if they so much as draw their firearm, let alone discharge it.

Now compare that to having your average traffic cop start shooting wildly if someone dares to go half a mile over the speed limit. I'm being hyperbolic, of course, but at this point, I'm sad to say that I won't be surprised.

Pretty sure I need to write up a report if I draw a can of pepper spray without firing it.

[States of Glory]

I may be wrong (please correct me if I am), but I believe that Ifreann is Irish. I don't know about the Irish police force and firearms, but I do know that police officers in Northern Ireland are armed (blame the Troubles). It's true, though, that only select officers are armed in the rest of the UK. Even then, guns are only used as a last resort if de-escalation, CS spray, batons and tasers don't work. Even then, cops have to write up a report if they so much as draw their firearm, let alone discharge it.

Now compare that to having your average traffic cop start shooting wildly if someone dares to go half a mile over the speed limit. I'm being hyperbolic, of course, but at this point, I'm sad to say that I won't be surprised.

Pretty sure I need to write up a report if I draw a can of pepper spray without firing it.

Heck, police officers in the UK probably need to write up a report if they so much as look at another person.

Not too dissimilar to NS Mods when you think about it.

[Salus Maior]

Wouldn't that create groups of officers that are easy targets for people who are vengeful towards cops? Cause those kinds of people exist now.

Would it? Firearms, to the best of my knowledge, function as weapons in that they propel small pieces of metal at rather considerable speeds. They do not, again, to the best of my knowledge, create impenetrable forcefields or deploy impervious armour. Having a gun doesn't mean that one cannot be shot. It doesn't mean that a bomb cannot be placed under one's car. It doesn't mean that one's house cannot be burned down. It doesn't mean that one cannot be attacked from behind with a stick. It doesn't mean that one cannot be stuck with the pointy end of something. I suppose it might stop a bullet if one were shot in the hip from the side, but that seems fairly unlikely.

So, basically you're saying because there's numerous ways for people to be killed they should not be given means of self defense in a line of work that puts them at risk? That's kind of a lame argument to be frank.

Sure, it's not body armor and I'm not saying it's body armor. But if an officer were under fire a gun would probably help as opposed to not having one.

[Big Jim P]

Question: if you shoot at someone, but hit someone else, whose criminal record do you release first?

The one who was hit, duh. All the more important since he didn't die so he's likely to sue.

I hope this guy sue the cops pants off.

[Imperializt Russia]

That is a suspiciously British way of looking at the matter at hand, but I can't disagree with you there.

I may be wrong (please correct me if I am), but I believe that Ifreann is Irish. I don't know about the Irish police force and firearms, but I do know that police officers in Northern Ireland are armed (blame the Troubles). It's true, though, that only select officers are armed in the rest of the UK. Even then, guns are only used as a last resort if de-escalation, CS spray, batons and tasers don't work. Even then, cops have to write up a report if they so much as draw their firearm, let alone discharge it.

Now compare that to having your average traffic cop start shooting wildly if someone dares to go half a mile over the speed limit. I'm being hyperbolic, of course, but at this point, I'm sad to say that I won't be surprised.

Drawing your firearm or a CS can is an inherent show of force - one that will probably bring the situation under control.

It's worth being a paperwork-inducing exercise.
Imagine if US police had to justify drawing their firearm.

[UniversalCommons]

Cops should carry more than just guns on a regular basis. They should also have tasers and tasers bullets. I know there are problems with tasers, but it is better than outright killing people.

[Imperializt Russia]

The "problems with tasers" include "not working" and "being occasionally ineffective".

[Hurdergaryp]

The "problems with tasers" include "not working" and "being occasionally ineffective".

Tranquillizer darts, then?