The Huskar Social Union wrote:So i just watched the full Michelle Obama speech and thought it was really good, now to see her husbands speec-
45 minutes.. fucking damn man.
It was a great speech though.
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by Corrian » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:52 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So i just watched the full Michelle Obama speech and thought it was really good, now to see her husbands speec-
45 minutes.. fucking damn man.
by Trumpostan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:37 am
Russia's troll factories were, at one point, likely being paid by the Kremlin to spread pro-Trump propaganda on social media.
That is what freelance journalist Adrian Chen, now a staff writer at The New Yorker, discovered as he was researching Russia's "army of well-paid trolls" for an explosive New York Times Magazine exposé published in June 2015.
by USS Monitor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:52 am
Trumpostan wrote:http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7?r=US&IR=T
Even if there is no proven tie (yet) between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. There is little doubt the Kremlin wants Trump for president.Russia's troll factories were, at one point, likely being paid by the Kremlin to spread pro-Trump propaganda on social media.
That is what freelance journalist Adrian Chen, now a staff writer at The New Yorker, discovered as he was researching Russia's "army of well-paid trolls" for an explosive New York Times Magazine exposé published in June 2015.
Paging Paul Manafort!
Not sure about the word troll here, shill is so much better. It does partially explain the high number of rabid pro Trump shills on social media that seem impervious to facts. Hell, even HuffPo has a lot of them, often Facebook profiles with no friends and no posting history.
I've lost count of the number of sich profiles I saw declaring they were Bernie supporters now switched to Trump. This sounds like a no true Scotsman, but fuck it, here goes anyway: no true Berner would vote for Trump. You either vote for Hillary (as Bernie does), or Jill Stein who is closest in terms of ideology, or Gary Johnson (for his social policy) or sit it out altogether/leave prez ballot blank.
The question remains: what does Trump owe Russia (for bailing him out in the 1990s) and what is the quid pro quo they want?
by The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:56 am
by AiliailiA » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:21 am
Trumpostan wrote:The question remains: what does Trump owe Russia (for bailing him out in the 1990s) and what is the quid pro quo they want?
by The Archregimancy » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:26 am
Ailiailia wrote:Trumpostan wrote:The question remains: what does Trump owe Russia (for bailing him out in the 1990s) and what is the quid pro quo they want?
Reports that Trump is uncreditworthy to any US bank (other than Deutschebank) combined with the reliance of any commercial real-estate business on loans (against the collateral of the actual real-estate) I suspect Trump has taken a lot more Russian money than we know about, to refinance loans he has held for years.
Because fuck them right? If they won't do a deal, Trump walks away.
So what does he owe the Russian financiers? Just some money, that's no big deal. Businessmen owe money, sometimes to foreigners, that's uninteresting. Trump's creditors can't ruin him by "calling in loans" because most loans are for a term. They can't be "called in".
However, Trump's creditors know better than anyone whether Trump can repay the loans or not. Better even than the IRS does. Trump could literally be broke and the only thing between him and personal bankruptcy is disclosure of his debts.
by AiliailiA » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:44 am
The Archregimancy wrote:
Russia, if you’re reading, I hope you're able to find the tax returns that are missing. I think you’ll be rewarded mightily by the US press.
by Greater Beggnig » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:36 am
by AiliailiA » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:58 am
by The Leftorium » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:06 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Ailiailia wrote:
Reports that Trump is uncreditworthy to any US bank (other than Deutschebank) combined with the reliance of any commercial real-estate business on loans (against the collateral of the actual real-estate) I suspect Trump has taken a lot more Russian money than we know about, to refinance loans he has held for years.
Because fuck them right? If they won't do a deal, Trump walks away.
So what does he owe the Russian financiers? Just some money, that's no big deal. Businessmen owe money, sometimes to foreigners, that's uninteresting. Trump's creditors can't ruin him by "calling in loans" because most loans are for a term. They can't be "called in".
However, Trump's creditors know better than anyone whether Trump can repay the loans or not. Better even than the IRS does. Trump could literally be broke and the only thing between him and personal bankruptcy is disclosure of his debts.
Well, no doubt this misunderstanding could be resolved by simply releasing his tax returns.
Ah; I see the problem.
Russia, if you’re reading, I hope you're able to find the tax returns that are missing. I think you’ll be rewarded mightily by the US press.
by Hurdergaryp » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:09 am
by Trumpostan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:44 am
Penguin Union Nation wrote:The United Territories of Providence wrote:Barack Obama will be our Ronald Reagan. Which is good, because Democrats haven't really had a President whose legacy they can latch onto without conflict. Clinton ruined it with the affair and NAFTA, Carter lost to Reagan, LBJ ruined his chance with the Vietnam war. So that left us with Kennedy, from 56 years ago or with FDR from 72 years ago.
I would rather our liberal superhero be, you know, liberal, instead of a centrist like Obama.
Somebody like Sanders, before he sold out. But we're never going to get that from the Democrats. They rely on some new boogeyman to pop up to make us settle for mediocrity.
by Senkaku » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:56 am
Trumpostan wrote:http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7?r=US&IR=T
Even if there is no proven tie (yet) between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. There is little doubt the Kremlin wants Trump for president.Russia's troll factories were, at one point, likely being paid by the Kremlin to spread pro-Trump propaganda on social media.
That is what freelance journalist Adrian Chen, now a staff writer at The New Yorker, discovered as he was researching Russia's "army of well-paid trolls" for an explosive New York Times Magazine exposé published in June 2015.
Paging Paul Manafort!
Not sure about the word troll here, shill is so much better. It does partially explain the high number of rabid pro Trump shills on social media that seem impervious to facts. Hell, even HuffPo has a lot of them, often Facebook profiles with no friends and no posting history.
I've lost count of the number of sich profiles I saw declaring they were Bernie supporters now switched to Trump. This sounds like a no true Scotsman, but fuck it, here goes anyway: no true Berner would vote for Trump. You either vote for Hillary (as Bernie does), or Jill Stein who is closest in terms of ideology, or Gary Johnson (for his social policy) or sit it out altogether/leave prez ballot blank.
The question remains: what does Trump owe Russia (for bailing him out in the 1990s) and what is the quid pro quo they want?
by Orberstine » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:59 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So i just watched the full Michelle Obama speech and thought it was really good, now to see her husbands speec-
45 minutes.. fucking damn man.
by Trumpostan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:05 am
Ganonsyoni wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Hondurans are not white little sheep either. If we're going to talk about Honduras, they too have fucked with their neighbors El Salvador, Guatemala, and Nicaragua for their best interests.
So please, spare me the "poor Hondurans" argument, because they're as fucked up as the U.S. is if it is convenient for them. So is El Salvador, so is Guatemala, so is Nicaragua.
And as I said before, the concept of nations and states should fuck off into space. Abolishing the state is critical to see an end to this sort of oppression, pain, and killings. As long as nations exist and have interests and uses the state to further their goals, then these things will continue.
by Geilinor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:09 am
Ganonsyoni wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Because the leader of a nation is elected to serve his or her people.
There is absolutely no nation leader in history who hasn't looked out for the best interests of the nation they represent in the world stage. If this has meant a few people had to die because of it then that was the case. In general though, the notion that world leaders are not going to kill people is bunk. They'll do it if it is convenient for our interests as a nation to do so.
But as long as it's your nation not getting fucked up in the end and your people killed, then it's fine and dandy.Wonder how Hondurans feel about the US fucking with their nation.
Maybe nations as a whole should go fuck off into space. No nations, all communities.
by Idzequitch » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:21 am
by Hurdergaryp » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:22 am
by Geilinor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:24 am
by Corrian » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:31 am
Geilinor wrote:http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/07/poll-trump-clinton-pennsylvania-226368?lo=ap_c1
Poll: Clinton leads Pennsylvania by 9 points.
by Frank Zipper » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:39 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:39 am
Its too late.
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