Turkey thread: now stuffed with more authoritarianism!

[Nariterrr]

breaking: there is a curfew stated in ankara
skynews

By whom?

[Imperializt Russia]

This is a little irrelevant but I thought it might be useful information.
A friend of mine commented on a photograph of one of the fighters flying close over Ankara.
"F-16
Funny
Looks cosmetic
It's carrying 2 AIM-120 radar missiles and 2 AIM-9 infrared missiles
2 external fuel tanks
That's a self defense loadout
Selection of weapons
But what's more strange is that they don't seem to have any clear mission
They're not carrying any bombs or air to ground missiles
And they're not carrying a full air-to-air load out
Could be a deterrent
Could be to reassure people
It's also running with its navigation lights
Not really something you do in combat
Probably to reassure people maybe
Like the unarmed F-16 flyovers after 9/11
Plus it's flying very low"
Apologies for the formatting, this is a truncated text conversation.

Image: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/07/15/103393816ANKARAJetNEWS-xlarge_trans++Cca9BU0TuyHkZJzHTSJqzg57EFzlVrO-V_kNyX87nOk.jpg

Well I doubt they're going to load up with ATG because it would be catastrophic to try and engage the tanks (and they'd probably be ordered not to).

Air combat certainly isn't going to be intense enough to require more than four standard missiles.

[Giovenith]

Hope my brothers' family stays safe.

[Puzikas]

This is a little irrelevant but I thought it might be useful information.
A friend of mine commented on a photograph of one of the fighters flying close over Ankara.
"F-16
Funny
Looks cosmetic
It's carrying 2 AIM-120 radar missiles and 2 AIM-9 infrared missiles
2 external fuel tanks
That's a self defense loadout
Selection of weapons
But what's more strange is that they don't seem to have any clear mission
They're not carrying any bombs or air to ground missiles
And they're not carrying a full air-to-air load out
Could be a deterrent
Could be to reassure people
It's also running with its navigation lights
Not really something you do in combat
Probably to reassure people maybe
Like the unarmed F-16 flyovers after 9/11
Plus it's flying very low"
Apologies for the formatting, this is a truncated text conversation.

Image: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/07/15/103393816ANKARAJetNEWS-xlarge_trans++Cca9BU0TuyHkZJzHTSJqzg57EFzlVrO-V_kNyX87nOk.jpg

Tbh this is p valid
Alternatively they could be flying them simply because they feel its safer in the air than on the ground, striking airfields is def. something that happens.

[The German Democratic Reich]

Obama is supporting the government.

Does this shock you? Turkey is a NATO member and a country in the anti-ISIS coalition. He can't exactly publicly support a group trying to take over.

This is wonderful. Now this is the coup I've been waiting for. Word is that Turkey's military has full control so it has succeeded.

Turks are governed by an arch-conservative government now. Isn't that what you're into?

Turkey is in the wnti isis coalition
but isnt anti-isis

[Esternial]

This is a little irrelevant but I thought it might be useful information.
A friend of mine commented on a photograph of one of the fighters flying close over Ankara.
"F-16
Funny
Looks cosmetic
It's carrying 2 AIM-120 radar missiles and 2 AIM-9 infrared missiles
2 external fuel tanks
That's a self defense loadout
Selection of weapons
But what's more strange is that they don't seem to have any clear mission
They're not carrying any bombs or air to ground missiles
And they're not carrying a full air-to-air load out
Could be a deterrent
Could be to reassure people
It's also running with its navigation lights
Not really something you do in combat
Probably to reassure people maybe
Like the unarmed F-16 flyovers after 9/11
Plus it's flying very low"
Apologies for the formatting, this is a truncated text conversation.

Image: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/07/15/103393816ANKARAJetNEWS-xlarge_trans++Cca9BU0TuyHkZJzHTSJqzg57EFzlVrO-V_kNyX87nOk.jpg

Well yeah a huge part of a coup involves a show of force. None of them want to have to kill their fellow copatriots, I imagine.

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

To be fair Erdogan was voted in to power fairly.

[Nariterrr]

Hope my brothers' family stays safe.

Isn't your brother's family your family?

[Arcturus Novus]

Does this shock you? Turkey is a NATO member and a country in the anti-ISIS coalition. He can't exactly publicly support a group trying to take over.?

Lol, that is very funny.

I'm just going with official government stances here. I hate their actions in the modern day just as much as the next guy.

[Nariterrr]

To be fair Erdogan was voted in to power fairly.

Yeah, this coup just goes against democracy.

[Socialist Nordia]

Except there's no valid reason for that.

Ousting Hollande the terrible and Merkel the destroyer?

You may despise them, but they haven't done anything to suppress democracy.

[Great Feng]

To be fair Erdogan was voted in to power fairly.

I believe that he manipulated the numbers to get into power and that it wasn't true democracy.

[Imperializt Russia]

This is a little irrelevant but I thought it might be useful information.
A friend of mine commented on a photograph of one of the fighters flying close over Ankara.
"F-16
Funny
Looks cosmetic
It's carrying 2 AIM-120 radar missiles and 2 AIM-9 infrared missiles
2 external fuel tanks
That's a self defense loadout
Selection of weapons
But what's more strange is that they don't seem to have any clear mission
They're not carrying any bombs or air to ground missiles
And they're not carrying a full air-to-air load out
Could be a deterrent
Could be to reassure people
It's also running with its navigation lights
Not really something you do in combat
Probably to reassure people maybe
Like the unarmed F-16 flyovers after 9/11
Plus it's flying very low"
Apologies for the formatting, this is a truncated text conversation.

Image: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/07/15/103393816ANKARAJetNEWS-xlarge_trans++Cca9BU0TuyHkZJzHTSJqzg57EFzlVrO-V_kNyX87nOk.jpg

Tbh this is p valid
Alternatively they could be flying them simply because they feel its safer in the air than on the ground, striking airfields is def. something that happens.

Would certainly explain the drop tanks.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Cockroach uprising?

[Giovenith]

Hope my brothers' family stays safe.

Isn't your brother's family your family?

No, we don't share the same father. Theirs is from Turkey.

[Valaran]

incidentally there's plenty of videos of casualties circulating.

To be fair Erdogan was voted in to power fairly.

fairly but not freely

[Yuchal]

YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS

...by not trying to oust the guy who counts with the support of millions of people.

That wouldn't have stopped Erdogan and I am not involved with this, so what how would I have prevented it?

We all know you are secretly the Supreme Commander of the Turkish Armed Forces, Geilinor. The jig is up.

Obama didn't say anything.
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=obama+turkey+coup&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

This seems legitimate enough for me.
Well, maybe. People are certainly taking it as legitimate, and it seems fairly reasonable to assume that this is what obama would say.

Interesting. No mention of Erdogan himself. Wonder if that means anything.

[Nerovia]

This is a little irrelevant but I thought it might be useful information.
A friend of mine commented on a photograph of one of the fighters flying close over Ankara.
"F-16
Funny
Looks cosmetic
It's carrying 2 AIM-120 radar missiles and 2 AIM-9 infrared missiles
2 external fuel tanks
That's a self defense loadout
Selection of weapons
But what's more strange is that they don't seem to have any clear mission
They're not carrying any bombs or air to ground missiles
And they're not carrying a full air-to-air load out
Could be a deterrent
Could be to reassure people
It's also running with its navigation lights
Not really something you do in combat
Probably to reassure people maybe
Like the unarmed F-16 flyovers after 9/11
Plus it's flying very low"
Apologies for the formatting, this is a truncated text conversation.

Image: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/07/15/103393816ANKARAJetNEWS-xlarge_trans++Cca9BU0TuyHkZJzHTSJqzg57EFzlVrO-V_kNyX87nOk.jpg

Well yeah a huge part of a coup involves a show of force. None of them want to have to kill their fellow copatriots, I imagine.

Guess it's to show that there is order.

[Kelinfort]

Protestors may or may not be in Erdogan's favor. Some certainly are, but not all.

[Risottia]

(source RaiNews)
Pro-Erdogan protesters have taken to the streets in Istanbul, while also anti-Erdogan protesters are being reported gathering around the Army and applauding as their tanks drive by.
In the meanwhile, Erdogan is trying to escape to Europe. Looks like Germany didn't allow him to land (my guess: to prevent further tensions among the rather large Turkish community of Germany), so he's heading to the Netherlands.

[Salus Maior]

fairly but not freely

What is that supposed to mean?

[Esternial]

Hope my brothers' family stays safe.

Isn't your brother's family your family?

Probably the English language's fault.

In Dutch, for instance, we have a seperate word ("gezin") for your immediate family i.e. mom, dad and their kids. Can't readily think of an English alternative for that.

Hope your brother's family fares well too, Gio.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Ousting Hollande the terrible and Merkel the destroyer?

You may despise them, but they haven't done anything to suppress democracy.

Mass surveillance, support of terrorist groups, no referendum to choose either to take refugees in or let them out, etc, etc.

[Aelex]

Well yeah a huge part of a coup involves a show of force. None of them want to have to kill their fellow copatriots, I imagine.

It would be rather counter-productive, moreover. People tend to don't support those who kill their family and friends.

[Valaran]

This seems legitimate enough for me.
Well, maybe. People are certainly taking it as legitimate, and it seems fairly reasonable to assume that this is what obama would say.

Interesting. No mention of Erdogan himself. Wonder if that means anything.

Good hedging of bets, as Kelinfort said.