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Postby Olerand » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:57 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Actually, that's exactly what it's supposed to protect you from. Jesus Christ, do you really not see the problem with using violence to suppress speech?


It's supposed to protect you from state regulation of speech. You are protected from violence by other laws, sure, but not Freedom of Speech.

Olerand wrote:This is the second article about antifa, and their opponents, in America... My question is... Why?

Why do antifas exist in a country with a negligible history of fascism and no fascist party to speak of? To fight what? Who? Why?


This article is actually directly related to the last one you probably saw, if it's the Sacramento rally. The reason its come up is because seven people were stabbed and videos went viral.

America's "negligible" history of fascism involves an endless list of hate crimes and the Klan, an organization that once had millions of members.

Hate crimes does not equal fascism. The KKK was not fascist. So, yes, negligible level of fascism, even if the Klan were fascist.

And I still don't see the point in having antifas.

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Olerand wrote:This is the second article about antifa, and their opponents, in America... My question is... Why?

Why do antifas exist in a country with a negligible history of fascism and no fascist party to speak of? To fight what? Who? Why?

Because we wanted to keep the communist fascist evil from spreading to America.
Honestly I have no idea. I thought this was something to worry about in the home country of Oswald Mosley. But then again the US has all sorts of little parties who want to repeal the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments or go back to the days when they were barely even enforced.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:59 pm

Westoropa wrote:
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Yea, Assault, which according to all fucking reasonable human thinking is illegal.

But she assaulted a neo-nazi. She should be honored and awarded not fired.

As much as I despise the neo-nazi ideology and would not shed a tear should misfortune fall on them, assault should never be honored or awarded. It'd be one thing if they'd turned to violence against the antifa counterprotesters and she was acting in self-defense, but starting it is not okay.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:59 pm

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Westoropa wrote:But she assaulted a neo-nazi. She should be honored and awarded not fired.


You're welcome to Honor and Award her. But she put her political beliefs ahead of her students, so as a teacher, yes, she should be fired.

I just got elected to the school board I can get her a job in Texas.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:00 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Westoropa wrote:But she assaulted a neo-nazi. She should be honored and awarded not fired.

As much as I despise the neo-nazi ideology and would not shed a tear should misfortune fall on them, assault should never be honored or awarded. It'd be one thing if they'd turned to violence against the antifa counterprotesters and she was acting in self-defense, but starting it is not okay.


Nah nah nah nah, if you have an unpopular view of the world and took a war to discredit you, you need to be tarred, feathered and dragged through the street to show the error of your ways.

perhaps you could start with this forum?

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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:05 pm

The balkens wrote:perhaps you could start with this forum?

Ugh, do not even get me started on the moderation headaches that the fascist/antifa gameplay crowd has caused moderation over the years. Suffice to say that there have been warnings, DEATs, and DOSes on both sides.
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:06 pm

The balkens wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:As much as I despise the neo-nazi ideology and would not shed a tear should misfortune fall on them, assault should never be honored or awarded. It'd be one thing if they'd turned to violence against the antifa counterprotesters and she was acting in self-defense, but starting it is not okay.


Nah nah nah nah, if you have an unpopular view of the world and took a war to discredit you, you need to be tarred, feathered and dragged through the street to show the error of your ways.

perhaps you could start with this forum?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:07 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:It's supposed to protect you from state regulation of speech. You are protected from violence by other laws, sure, but not Freedom of Speech.

The protection of rights is automatically protection of the violation of your rights by other entities. Jesus Christ...
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:07 pm

The balkens wrote:
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You can get away with assaulting Nazis if you do it right. The problem's battery :P

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Ey shof, i was just charged with battery of a minor, you owe me.


What'd you do? Slap your brother on the back of the head? :P


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You're welcome to Honor and Award her. But she put her political beliefs ahead of her students, so as a teacher, yes, she should be fired.

I just got elected to the school board I can get her a job in Texas.


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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:09 pm

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greed and death wrote:I just got elected to the school board I can get her a job in Texas.


I thought you were in New York.

Moved back to Texas after law school
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Postby Jumalariik » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:10 pm

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Anonymous email threatens students at Berkeley school after Sacramento rally tied to local teacher

Local and federal authorities investigated threats Monday targeting youth at a North Berkeley middle school by a group that demanded the termination of a teacher who protested against a neo-Nazi rally in Sacramento over the weekend.

The rally Sunday made national headlines due to violent clashes between the white supremacists who took out a permit to rally at the state capitol and the counter-protesters who showed up to confront them. According to some news reports, members of the counter-protest appear to have initiated the violence. The LA Times reported that seven people were stabbed and 10 hospitalized.

One of the people who took responsibility for helping organize the counter-protest was Yvette Felarca, a teacher at North Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Middle School, at 1781 Rose St. Felarca is an organizer with the activist group By Any Means Necessary, which helped lead a series of Black Lives Matter protests in Berkeley in December 2014.

Parents of day campers were told Monday morning that one of the counter-protesters from Sacramento had been linked to the Berkeley school where the camps were located. The public outing had prompted an influx of emails to the principal demanding that the teacher be fired.

The Berkeley Unified School District confirmed, in a prepared statement at 5:40 p.m., it had been informed Monday morning that a King teacher had been involved with the protest in Sacramento.

“Since that incident, the school and principal have received calls and emails from parents and community members. One anonymous email in particular threatened that if certain actions were not taken against the teacher within the week, someone would come to King with the intent to harm students,” according to the statement. “The FBI has reviewed the email in question and has determined that by their criteria it should be considered a low level threat.”

The statement continued: “Meanwhile, the Berkeley PD has said that they are taking this threat seriously. They have increased their patrols around our schools and are assigning an officer to King. We have sent security staff to King, and we have moved two outside user groups who are renting space for summer programs to other locations. We do not have any BUSD programs at King at this time.”

BUSD Superintendent Donald Evans said, according to the statement, that the district would do “whatever is necessary” to protect students and staff, and “continue to work closely with law enforcement to monitor this situation.”

Someone using the name Ann Smith has been criticizing Felarca on Twitter as part of the campaign to have the Berkeley teacher fired.

One parent told Berkeleyside he had been told by a camp leader that individuals tied to the right-wing group “involved in the brawl at the state capitol yesterday figured out that one of the counter protesters was a teacher at King. They then flooded the principal with e-mails demanding that the teacher be fired, and there was at least one credible threat of violence (a shooting) at the campus if the demand was not met. Police and security were on site at King, our camp had been offered indoor space at the school, and the district is looking for alternate sites.”

Another parent told Berkeleyside on Monday morning that “all the kids are to be moved inside because a King teacher was involved in yesterday’s protest in Sacramento and was subsequently threatened. Someone evidently claimed they were going to shoot up King because of the teacher’s participation in the Neo Nazi counter-protest.”

An unattended Berkeley Police cruiser was parked outside the school Monday afternoon. The Berkeley Police Department and school principal referred Berkeleyside to the Berkeley Unified School District for comment.

Some of the comments Felarca made to the media Sunday were posted online. (See one of those videos below.) It was unclear as of publication time exactly how she had been linked to the Berkeley middle school.

Reached by phone Monday, Felarca said the threats were outrageous. But she said they were evidence of the true character of the individuals and groups making them.

“I am disgusted and condemn these attacks on myself and the children, the faculty and staff at my school,” she said. “I hold Donald Trump responsible for this. His politics of racist demagoguery and hate is inciting these vile threats of violence, even against children. It exposes why Trump and his racist, Nazi, and KKK supporters need to be defeated — and it shows us what Donald Trump’s vision for America really is.”

Teachers and students are now on summer break. The last day of the semester was Friday, June 17.


Whether you agree with Felarca's politics or where she puts the blame, or even if you think she should be fired, I think this is serious proof that the false equivalence between violent Antifascists and the fascists themselves doesn't hold up. It's really a new low for Nazi scumbags to start threatening schools, but that's the kind of people we're dealing with when we talk about neo-Nazism in America. But, please, tell me liberals about how Antifa is "just as bad" as the Traditionalist Workers' Party, and all those middle school students Antifa threatened. :roll:

As for her job, that's the school's decision.

Should Felarca lose her job? Are antifascists as bad as the Nazis they fight? Should Nazi punks fuck off? What say you, NSG?

She should be fired. If there is any violence to the kids, those who perpetrated it should be punished to the full extent of the law. Anti-fascists are the establishment, so honestly, yes, anti-fascist activists are just as bad. They pretend to be fighting the system, while they defend the system. If Trump gets elected, I'll maybe not say this. At the moment though, Antifascists seem to be anti-conservative not just anti-fascist. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEyBaBEQLM4
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Postby The balkens » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:12 pm

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Ey shof, i was just charged with battery of a minor, you owe me.


What'd you do? Slap your brother on the back of the head? :P




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Postby Grande Republic of Arcadia » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:13 pm

Westoropa wrote:
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Yea, Assault, which according to all fucking reasonable human thinking is illegal.

But she assaulted a neo-nazi. She should be honored and awarded not fired.

So you think she should be honored for assaulting somebody who believes something different that what she does? and plus the Nazis were protected by the 1st Amendment. So she should be fired
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Postby The balkens » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:14 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:It's supposed to protect you from state regulation of speech. You are protected from violence by other laws, sure, but not Freedom of Speech.

The protection of rights is automatically protection of the violation of your rights by other entities. Jesus Christ...


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Postby Risottia » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:14 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Westoropa wrote:But she assaulted a neo-nazi. She should be honored and awarded not fired.


You're welcome to Honor and Award her. But she put her political beliefs ahead of her students, so as a teacher, yes, she should be fired.


Ditto.

And frankly, no - I would award her for beating a Nazi to a pulp during a war, I would award her for beating him to a pulp if he had been attacking one of her students, but illegal acts such as planning to initiate violence in a country with a reasonable level of democracy and rule-of-law (if that's what happened: again, I'm one of those "trial first" guys) is something that should be NEVER honoured - even if we're talking about the worst imaginable person.
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Postby Ganonsyoni » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:16 pm

Risottia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
You're welcome to Honor and Award her. But she put her political beliefs ahead of her students, so as a teacher, yes, she should be fired.


Ditto.

And frankly, no - I would award her for beating a Nazi to a pulp during a war, I would award her for beating him to a pulp if he had been attacking one of her students, but illegal acts such as planning to initiate violence in a country with a reasonable level of democracy and rule-of-law (if that's what happened: again, I'm one of those "trial first" guys) is something that should be NEVER honoured - even if we're talking about the worst imaginable person.

So only attack fascists after they started killing people. No preventative action to prevent further deaths and oppression.

Got it.
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The balkens wrote:Is it possible to slap a entire Day care at once?


With my Slappinator 3000, now you can. Order one at 1-800-YOU-WISH.
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:19 pm

Ganonsyoni wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Ditto.

And frankly, no - I would award her for beating a Nazi to a pulp during a war, I would award her for beating him to a pulp if he had been attacking one of her students, but illegal acts such as planning to initiate violence in a country with a reasonable level of democracy and rule-of-law (if that's what happened: again, I'm one of those "trial first" guys) is something that should be NEVER honoured - even if we're talking about the worst imaginable person.

So only attack fascists after they started killing people. No preventative action to prevent further deaths and oppression.

Got it.


Yeah. Pretty much. Is that that hard to understand?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:20 pm

The balkens wrote:ey b0ss.

now you starting to see the strains of my insanity.

Nah, this always upsets me but it's always been around. Cue that Woody Allen bit where he talks about literally beating legally marching neo-Nazis with baseball bats.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:20 pm

The balkens wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
What'd you do? Slap your brother on the back of the head? :P




Is it possible to slap a entire Day care at once?


It can be accomplished if you put your mind to it :P

Why would you want to do that?


Risottia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
You're welcome to Honor and Award her. But she put her political beliefs ahead of her students, so as a teacher, yes, she should be fired.


Ditto.

And frankly, no - I would award her for beating a Nazi to a pulp during a war, I would award her for beating him to a pulp if he had been attacking one of her students, but illegal acts such as planning to initiate violence in a country with a reasonable level of democracy and rule-of-law (if that's what happened: again, I'm one of those "trial first" guys) is something that should be NEVER honoured - even if we're talking about the worst imaginable person.


I'm not saying that I'd Honor her. But Westoropa can try.


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Is that the one that's guaranteed to work on Schultz and Juncker at the same time? Can it be applied to Clinton and Trump at the same time?
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With my Slappinator 3000, now you can. Order one at 1-800-YOU-WISH.


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Postby Risottia » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:21 pm

Ganonsyoni wrote:So only attack fascists after they started killing people. No preventative action to prevent further deaths and oppression.

Got it.


Because calling the police when a crime is about to happen isn't preventive enough.
Because lobbying in the Parliament and in the society to have the laws changed and groups defined as hate-mongers isn't preventive enough.
No, what we need is BEAT FIRST! SHOOT FIRST! BECAUSE WHO HITS FIRST HITS TWICE!
Looks like the argument one would expect from the NRA comrades - the true bastions of workers' rights and solidarity, last time I checked.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:24 pm

Shofercia wrote:Is that the one that's guaranteed to work on Schultz and Juncker at the same time? Can it be applied to Clinton and Trump at the same time?


As long as they're within a reasonable distance. (Restrictions may apply. "Reasonable" as defined by our entirely honest legal office. Complaints can be filed only at a court whose judges were all previously bribed by us.)
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Postby Grande Republic of Arcadia » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:26 pm

Ganonsyoni wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Ditto.

And frankly, no - I would award her for beating a Nazi to a pulp during a war, I would award her for beating him to a pulp if he had been attacking one of her students, but illegal acts such as planning to initiate violence in a country with a reasonable level of democracy and rule-of-law (if that's what happened: again, I'm one of those "trial first" guys) is something that should be NEVER honoured - even if we're talking about the worst imaginable person.

So only attack fascists after they started killing people. No preventative action to prevent further deaths and oppression.

Got it.

Then answer this what makes all Fascists a bunch of homicidal pricks who want to oppress everyone and answer this one too considering on you posts you seem to be on the left wing so I will go on a limb an infer you support the trans bathroom BS right? If you want to be on the safe side when it comes to Fascism then why would you ignore the possible rapes of a man interfering a woman's bathroom and vise versa
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:30 pm

Risottia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Is that the one that's guaranteed to work on Schultz and Juncker at the same time? Can it be applied to Clinton and Trump at the same time?


As long as they're within a reasonable distance. (Restrictions may apply. "Reasonable" as defined by our entirely honest legal office. Complaints can be filed only at a court whose judges were all previously bribed by us.)


Can you ship it to Cali before the debates start?
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Shofercia wrote:
Risottia wrote:
As long as they're within a reasonable distance. (Restrictions may apply. "Reasonable" as defined by our entirely honest legal office. Complaints can be filed only at a court whose judges were all previously bribed by us.)


Can you ship it to Cali before the debates start?


Sorry Shof, it's already illegal in Cali.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

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