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If Iceland Sent Bankers To Jail Why Can't The United States?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:50 pm
by Europe and Oceania
Iceland’s Response to Bank Fraud – A Lesson for the U.S.?
The United States has collected tens of billions of dollars in the wake of the 2007 –2008 economic meltdown. Bank of America alone paid over $20 billion, much of that last year in a landmark settlement involving $10 billion in cash and nearly $7 billion more in relief monies.

How many executives from Bank of America went to prison? None! Wells Fargo? Chase? Citi? Ocwen? None! Compare this to tiny Iceland, which suffered just as much from the entire global banking mess as did the United States. In Iceland, many senior bank officers are headed to prison.

Reuters reports that Iceland’s Supreme Court upheld the convictions of four senior executives of one of Iceland’s largest banks, Kaupthing Bank. The four included the bank’s former CEO and chairman. Can you imagine the headlines in the United States if Brian Moynihan, CEO of Bank of America, was featured on the evening news in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit?

Lest anyone think the four men got off easily, their sentences ranged from four to five and a half years.

The four executives from Kaupthing bank weren’t the only ones convicted. The CEO’s of two of Iceland’s other big banks, Glitnir and Landsbanki, were also convicted for their roles in the meltdown.

In a country of less than one half million people, Iceland managed to convict the chief executives of all three major banks. How did they succeed?

According to Reuters, the government tapped a 50 year old policeman from a small fishing village to be a special prosecutor. In an interview with the news service, special prosecutor Olafur Hauksson claimed that no individual was too big to prosecute. "It is dangerous that someone is too big to investigate - it gives a sense there is a safe haven," he said.

The Icelandic response to bank fraud has been much different than in the United States. Many more bank executives have gone to prison than in the United States. Why?

First, Iceland had the political will to prosecute and punish bankers. Their parliament made it easier for a special prosecutor to investigate and prosecute wrongdoers. Here, Congress has given prosecutors powerful laws to fine offenders. FIRREA, short for the Financial Institutions Reform Recovery and Enforcement Act, relaxes the burden of proof in bank fraud cases, pays whistleblowers up to $1.6 million and gives prosecutors a long 10 year statute of limitations. It doesn’t empower prosecutors to imprison offenders, however.

The laws here are also far more complex. While not taking anything away from Olafur Hauksson’s efforts, we don’t think a cop from a remote fishing village in the United States could prevail against armies of lawyers paid for by the banks.

While we would like to see more criminal prosecutions for bank fraud, something that incoming Attorney General Loretta Lynch has hinted at, we do believe the government’s efforts at punishing big banks with heavy fines is finally working.

Often relying on the federal False Claims Act and whistleblowers, the government has collected billions for taxpayers from the big banks and Wall Street. While some say these fines are nothing more than a cost of doing business, bank boards and shareholders are beginning to speak up and force banks to behave.

What’s next? We will soon have a new attorney general and some policy changes are inevitable. Assuming Ms. Lynch is confirmed, whistleblowers should continue to do well. For the foreseeable future, we believe insiders with original source knowledge of fraud within a bank or affecting a bank will continue to be eligible for significant cash awards and may also be eligible for anti-retaliation protections.

http://www.natlawreview.com/article/ice ... -lesson-us

The United States of America should do it more often like Iceland does to those greedy corporate fat cats.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:54 pm
by Orostan
Agreed.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:59 pm
by Yorkers
Dislodging the likes of Goldman Sachs, Bank of American-Merril Lynch, Morgan Stanley, CitiGroup, Credit Suisse, and JPMorgan Chase would send the world into an apocalyptic recession.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:02 pm
by Expectareaction
The US /can/, it just /doesn't/.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:02 pm
by Setgavarius
Yorkers wrote:Dislodging the likes of Goldman Sachs, Bank of American-Merril Lynch, Morgan Stanley, CitiGroup, Credit Suisse, and JPMorgan Chase would send the world into an apocalyptic recession.

Eh, it had to come someday. Why not by tossing a corporate exec in the clink? :p

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:02 pm
by Penguin Union Nation
If we do that, who will fund Hillary Clinton?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:06 pm
by Orostan
Penguin Union Nation wrote:If we do that, who will fund Hillary Clinton?

Bill

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:07 pm
by The Holy Therns
'Cause it's been done.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:13 pm
by Greed and Death
Because the American Executives did not commit any crimes, I also think Iceland bent its due process to convict two executives whose crime was being unpopular.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:19 pm
by Outer Sparta
Because America's policies get in the way of this problem.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:20 pm
by Valrifell
Penguin Union Nation wrote:If we do that, who will fund Hillary Clinton?


As if she's the only one who gets funds from bankers...

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:21 pm
by Kelinfort
Penguin Union Nation wrote:If we do that, who will fund Hillary Clinton?

Bernie "I'm a socialist, I can prove it" Sanders

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:59 pm
by Dinake
If they've committed a crime that is illegal at the time it was convicted, then send them away. Otherwise, don't throw them to the mob.
Much of what happened to cause '08 was, for some idiotic reason, legal at the time. So the people who caused it? No, don't send them to prison just to please the mob. People who actually committed fraud, and it can be proven, should go away.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:02 pm
by Gauthier
Extortion in the form of Too Big to Fail.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:55 pm
by The New Sea Territory
Penguin Union Nation wrote:If we do that, who will fund Hillary Clinton?


Who would fund anything?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:07 pm
by Arcipelago
Maybe because they didn't commit a crime? Despite what many people think most bankers are probably good people, and in general when you make money from them, they get more business.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:16 pm
by New Grestin
You can always rely on America to do the right thing.

After they've tried everything else.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:23 pm
by The Liberated Territories
Arcipelago wrote:Maybe because they didn't commit a crime? Despite what many people think most bankers are probably good people, and in general when you make money from them, they get more business.


Eh no, the bankers committed fraud - and fraud is illegal. Of course the real problem is the government setting up the stage for this type of fraud and then ignoring it happen.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:29 pm
by Theodolia
Part of why people were so angry in the wake of the financial meltdown, and ev en to this day is precisely because the bankers weren't breaking any laws with their high-risk behavior

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:16 pm
by Ethel mermania
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Arcipelago wrote:Maybe because they didn't commit a crime? Despite what many people think most bankers are probably good people, and in general when you make money from them, they get more business.


Eh no, the bankers committed fraud - and fraud is illegal. Of course the real problem is the government setting up the stage for this type of fraud and then ignoring it happen.


not really, its up to the bond raters to rate the bonds and determine their status. they were rated AAA and not junk (as it should have been). the banker is allowed to advertise the rate as AAA, if that is what it gets

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:27 pm
by The Alma Mater
Ethel mermania wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Eh no, the bankers committed fraud - and fraud is illegal. Of course the real problem is the government setting up the stage for this type of fraud and then ignoring it happen.


not really, its up to the bond raters to rate the bonds and determine their status. they were rated AAA and not junk (as it should have been). the banker is allowed to advertise the rate as AAA, if that is what it gets


Even if the banker is well aware they are not AAA, are mass-dumping them themselves and use their influence with the bondraters to postpone a rating adjustment until their dumping is complete ?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:42 pm
by Sack Jackpot Winners
Because people are needed to fund the DNC and the RNC is scared some shit's going to hit them. Another ironic reversal of roles.

Orostan wrote:
Penguin Union Nation wrote:If we do that, who will fund Hillary Clinton?

Bill's Book


Corrected.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:46 pm
by Maurepas
As angry as I am at US bankers, I'm not sure jailing them is right. They didn't break any laws that I'm aware of.

Ultimately what should've been done is let them sink or swim on their own and not bailed them out. That money would've been better spent propping up the people that would've been hurt by their sinking. What we should be asking is, why can't the United States let the market play out instead of picking and choosing winners and losers?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:08 pm
by Freefall11111
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Arcipelago wrote:Maybe because they didn't commit a crime? Despite what many people think most bankers are probably good people, and in general when you make money from them, they get more business.


Eh no, the bankers committed fraud - and fraud is illegal. Of course the real problem is the government setting up the stage for this type of fraud and then ignoring it happen.

Which bankers committed fraud?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:21 am
by Risottia
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THAT GOVERNMENT
OF THE BANKS
BY THE BANKS
FOR THE BANKS
SHALL NOT PERISH FROM EARTH