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The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:Why does austerity still exist.

The crash was eight fucking years ago.

Oh wait, wait.
Ideology.

Because China has a housing bubble that could pop at any minute? Also Greece is a thing.

If you think really really hard, you might note that neither of those countries are Britain.

Nigel Farage hates the EU but he's going to keep taking its wages

Yay for hypocrisy.

Brexit process by February, says Tusk

So it looks like negotiations could begin February 2017.

Maybe.

Marcurix wrote:Brexit process by February, says Tusk

So it looks like negotiations could begin February 2017.

Maybe.

Yeah, because Mays plan to keep the negotiations behind closed doors as to not weaken our position involves a running commentary from Trusk to try help stabilise the EU.

I bet it gets delayed to October,in part to spite him, in part due to French/German elections.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Marcurix wrote:Brexit process by February, says Tusk

So it looks like negotiations could begin February 2017.

Maybe.

Yeah, because Mays plan to keep the negotiations behind closed doors as to not weaken our position involves a running commentary from Trusk to try help stabilise the EU.

I bet it gets delayed to October,in part to spite him, in part due to French/German elections.

I quite like Tusk, seems like a nice guy who has been stuck in the shitter with a bunch of complete idiots. Probably the one prominent EU politician at the top I would not get any joy out of a good spiting.

Marcurix wrote:Brexit process by February, says Tusk

So it looks like negotiations could begin February 2017.

Maybe.

"No chance, m8", says May. Probably.

Marcurix wrote:Brexit process by February, says Tusk

So it looks like negotiations could begin February 2017.

Maybe.

Interesting.

Vassenor wrote:Looks like any deal that limits free movement is likely to get vetoed.

Perhaps yould like to provide a source that backs up your claim? Because that one doesn't.

Vassenor wrote:Looks like any deal that limits free movement is likely to get vetoed.

It's pretty ironic though. The Visegrad Group leaders say they don't want or need migrants but they flip their shit when it involves their people.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Looks like any deal that limits free movement is likely to get vetoed.

Perhaps yould like to provide a source that backs up your claim? Because that one doesn't.

A group of Central European EU members known as the Visegrad Four is ready to veto any Brexit deal that would limit people's right to work in the UK, Slovakian PM Robert Fico says.

In an interview with the Reuters news agency, Mr Fico said Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia would be uncompromising in negotiations.

uh, i'm not sure how that doesn't substantiate " any deal that limits free movement is likely to get vetoed"

Souseiseki wrote:

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Perhaps yould like to provide a source that backs up your claim? Because that one doesn't.

A group of Central European EU members known as the Visegrad Four is ready to veto any Brexit deal that would limit people's right to work in the UK, Slovakian PM Robert Fico says.

In an interview with the Reuters news agency, Mr Fico said Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia would be uncompromising in negotiations.

uh, i'm not sure how that doesn't substantiate " any deal that limits free movement is likely to get vetoed"

A spokesman specified that Fico was referring to their citizens already in the UK.

Vassenor wrote:Reminder: We're still not allowed to suggest that there may in any way be negative consequences.

I'm conflicted.

On the one hand, it's nice to see the SNP get a taste of their own "scaremongering" medicine.

On the other, I hate it when that's used to dismiss a point, particularly regarding this matter.

Vassenor wrote:Reminder: We're still not allowed to suggest that there may in any way be negative consequences.

Because the unelected bureaucrats of Whitehall are much more responsive to the wishes of the people than the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels.

Poundsterling is at the lowest point as of now, though.

Souseiseki wrote:

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Perhaps yould like to provide a source that backs up your claim? Because that one doesn't.

A group of Central European EU members known as the Visegrad Four is ready to veto any Brexit deal that would limit people's right to work in the UK, Slovakian PM Robert Fico says.

In an interview with the Reuters news agency, Mr Fico said Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia would be uncompromising in negotiations.

uh, i'm not sure how that doesn't substantiate " any deal that limits free movement is likely to get vetoed"

Why would that get vetoed? They voted to leave the EU and common market. Why should they have to allow free movement? Who cares what other countries think? They didn't vote to leave the EU.

San Lumen wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:
A group of Central European EU members known as the Visegrad Four is ready to veto any Brexit deal that would limit people's right to work in the UK, Slovakian PM Robert Fico says.

In an interview with the Reuters news agency, Mr Fico said Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia would be uncompromising in negotiations.

uh, i'm not sure how that doesn't substantiate " any deal that limits free movement is likely to get vetoed"

Why would that get vetoed? They voted to leave the EU and common market. Why should they have to allow free movement? Who cares what other countries think? They didn't vote to leave the EU.

Because that's the asking price for wanting the same level of access to the EU market as before.

Right. It's very simple: Four Freedoms or none.

Vassenor wrote:Serious Brexit talks unlikely for at least twelve months.

It's like UK is dragging its body.

I'm still undecided about how I actually feel about Brexit.

I'm one of those people who would really love the right to live and work in another European country (and for them to come here) but will never have the money or means to do so, Brexit or not.

I've always opposed the political side of the EU, it's just been a place of patronage and guaranteed income for former heads of government in Europe. Ironically, if the EU was more like a nation-state (with a directly popularly elected 'President of the European Council' and a more involving, powerful and readily accountable European Parliament (that could be dissolved earlier, etc.), I'd have opposed it less. Is what it is, tough.

As for going forward. Ironically, someone like Nick Clegg would've been absolutely perfect for negotiating Brexit. Well connected and well liked in Europe. On a wider note, I'd vote for the Lib Dems if they just accepted Brexit is a thing and dealt with it (I understand their stance, of course, I'm just more of a pragmatic realist). Guess I'll be balling my chewing gum up in the ballot again when it's that time. The other viable options are big state Tory/Labour or UKIP. I like neither prospect.