UK Referendum Thread [Moderator Sanctioned]

[Vassenor]

And really my fear is this: What happens when it stops being motivated just by race or nationality. What happens when these [EXPLETIVE REDACTED]s decide to go after anyone who doesn't fit their stereotype of "English"?

[Vassenor]

EasyJet issues profits warning in the wake of referendum

[Valaran]

EasyJet issues profits warning in the wake of referendum

cold delicious schadenfreude

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

And really my fear is this: What happens when it stops being motivated just by race or nationality. What happens when these [EXPLETIVE REDACTED]s decide to go after anyone who doesn't fit their stereotype of "English"?

A great many boxes of tea will be thrown into the London Harbor and the Queen shall reclaim her glorious place on the Throne.

[Vassenor]

And really my fear is this: What happens when it stops being motivated just by race or nationality. What happens when these [EXPLETIVE REDACTED]s decide to go after anyone who doesn't fit their stereotype of "English"?

A great many boxes of tea will be thrown into the London Harbor and the Queen shall reclaim her glorious place on the Throne.

I hope you don't hold it against me that I don't find that funny.

[Ostroeuropa]

The welfare state is shit in the first place compared to the solution I offered, especially when you consider the studies on long term unemployment, and that as we've seen, it's demonstrably unstable due to resentment.

In order to even get them to be open to the idea they are factually wrong, you have to deal with the feeling first. All that study shows in effect is how intensely they feel about it. You're asking them to guess, they don't know, they just know it happens.

I'm a little surprised that you want to address people's feelings rather than the factual reality of the situation.

The factual reality of the situation is that expecting people to be rational instead of emotional has proved a failing strategy.
Policies should be designed, framed, or pitched, so as to alleviate feelings of opponents, but deal with the factual reality.

[Terruana]

Has anyone else seen this comment posted on an online Guardian article circulating social media?


"If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign"

Whilst acknowledging that this is essentially a conspiracy theory with zero hard evidence, part of me (wishful thinking perhaps?) thinks it fits perfectly

[Souseiseki]

Just hearing from Boris Johnson, who reacts to George Osborne's statement this morning.

The Leave campaigner says: "It's clear that Project Fear is over, there's not going to be an emergency Budget, people's pensions are safe, the pound is stable, the markets are stable."

"I think that's all very good news."

https://dwq4do82y8xi7.cloudfront.net/x/tG7lXYVF/

[Vassenor]

Just hearing from Boris Johnson, who reacts to George Osborne's statement this morning.

The Leave campaigner says: "It's clear that Project Fear is over, there's not going to be an emergency Budget, people's pensions are safe, the pound is stable, the markets are stable."

"I think that's all very good news."

https://dwq4do82y8xi7.cloudfront.net/x/tG7lXYVF/

Is anyone surprised that Boris pretty much lives in his own little world at this point?

[Valaran]

-snip-

tbh, I haven't heard anything but that comment recently

Most media has at least mentioned it somewhere.

Just hearing from Boris Johnson, who reacts to George Osborne's statement this morning.

Quite:

It was on TV so I don't have a link just yet but:

"It is clear now that Project Fear is over" - Boris Johnson

He then lists pensions being safe (uh, no)
Markets stabilised (they fell again, but not by as much)
No Emergency Budget (true)

Says "Absolutely" when asked about whether we will have access to the Free Market, while getting into a car.

[Arkolon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36644211

Just when you thought the "full agreement" Hollande and Renzi had between themselves and Merkel was to be more lenient.

[Valaran]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36644211

Just when you thought the "full agreement" Hollande and Renzi had between themselves and Merkel was to be more lenient.

But surely we can rely on...oh... uh... Luxembourg to see our side of things!

[Ostroeuropa]

OH BOY!

http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,N ... any-report

This is going to be great.

So the EU leadership has basically decided to flip it's shit completely over brexit, and is now saying
'We're taking away more powers from the rest of the members in response to this, and will begin centralizing into a european superstate imminently.'

TVP Info said the proposals would mean members of a superstate would in practice have no right to their own army, to a separate criminal code or a separate tax system, and would not have their own currency.
In addition, TVP Info said, member states would lose control over their own borders and procedures for admitting and relocating refugees.

Good way to unite most of the country behind brexit tbh, unless we decide to meekly acquiese and agree to join this new superstate.

We really were the only thing holding these guys back.

So, place your bets, united europe by 2020, or it explodes in spectacular fashion as hysteria over the proposals torpedo it?

[Arkolon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36644211

Just when you thought the "full agreement" Hollande and Renzi had between themselves and Merkel was to be more lenient.

But surely we can rely on...oh... uh... Luxembourg to see our side of things!

Our beloved former PM seems just as stubborn!

[Hydesland]

OH BOY!

http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,N ... any-report

Great source 10/10.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

OH BOY!

http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,N ... any-report

Great source 10/10.

Is it like the onion?

[Mefpan]

OH BOY!

http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,N ... any-report

This is going to be great.

So the EU leadership has basically decided to flip it's shit completely over brexit, and is now saying
'We're taking away more powers from the rest of the members in response to this, and will begin centralizing into a european superstate imminently.'

TVP Info said the proposals would mean members of a superstate would in practice have no right to their own army, to a separate criminal code or a separate tax system, and would not have their own currency.
In addition, TVP Info said, member states would lose control over their own borders and procedures for admitting and relocating refugees.

Good way to unite most of the country behind brexit tbh, unless we decide to meekly acquiese and agree to join this new superstate.

We really were the only thing holding these guys back.

So, place your bets, united europe by 2020, or it explodes in spectacular fashion as hysteria over the proposals torpedo it?

Sadly, this is probably a massive load of bullshit.

Like the dreaded EU ban on curved bananas.

[Souseiseki]

i would unironcally support euro-lincolns army

take me juncker

[The Blaatschapen]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36644211

Just when you thought the "full agreement" Hollande and Renzi had between themselves and Merkel was to be more lenient.

This makes perfect sense.

There's no benefit for Europe to not know very clear where this is going.

[The Alma Mater]

Great source 10/10.

Is it like the onion?

No, it is actually a serious and relatively high quality source.
Relatively compared to other Polish newssources of course.

[Vassenor]

Is it like the onion?

No, it is actually a serious and relatively high quality source.
Relatively compared to other Polish newssources of course.

Either way given that no other news source seems to be covering it I'm inclined to call sensationalism.

[Talvezout]

Great source 10/10.

Is it like the onion?

Looking through things, I've only found four sources, the Polish one Ostro linked to, Ukraine Today, Pravda, and Express

[Great Nepal]

No, it is actually a serious and relatively high quality source.
Relatively compared to other Polish newssources of course.

Either way given that no other news source seems to be covering it I'm inclined to call sensationalism.

But I want in on the whole European superstate thing...

[American Imperial State]

EU makes sense in some ways, but the EU will never be a 'superstate', and if it did end up that way it would be similar to Austria-Hungary in WW1. Weakened by internal division and cultural differences.

America is about twice the size of Europe and has 300 million people. We are capable of (barely) being somewhat of a unified nation because we have similar language, culture and values. Europe is too diverse to function as a government.

Do you know how ineffective a EU military would be?

[Souseiseki]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl8Vn8WUsAIsuXF.jpg