California Independence Referendum 2020 [POLL]

[Farnhamia]

Then the movement is irrelevant unless they are actively working to get Congress to act.

They are petitioning congress eventually if they can. Legally yes. There is something called convention of the states. A member of a California federal delegation would call for an ammendment, if the ammendment passed (approved by house and senate) then it would require consemt of the states. 2/3 required for the consent of the states.

You need the proposed amendment to be passed by 2/3 of each house of Congress and then 3/4 of the states have to ratify, 38 of 50. Of course, if you manage to get a convention called, the rules may be different but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

[Imperial Idaho]

Then the movement is irrelevant unless they are actively working to get Congress to act.

This says it alot better:

http://www.yescalifornia.org/how_califo ... _the_union

www.nocalifornia.nah/why_bother_fools_gold_state

[Wallenburg]

Nice strawman. Try again.

That's not at all a strawman lol. You're implying that without California the US would be a theocracy, which is plain loony at best, and horrendously conceited at worst.

No I'm not. I suggest you try actually reading my post, or try not extrapolating ludicrous conclusions from my statements.

[Perthenexia]

This says it alot better:

http://www.yescalifornia.org/how_califo ... _the_union

http://www.nocalifornia.nah/why_bother_fools_gold_state

Does not open.

[Imperial Idaho]

http://www.nocalifornia.nah/why_bother_fools_gold_state

Does not open.

not an actual website, just a joke

[Perthenexia]

Does not open.

not an actual website, just a joke

Ha-Ha-Ha.

[Ranko Kanzaki]

It would be wonderful if they would leave, but it won't happen. It's largely a joke like the Texas independence movements.

Aside from the fact that Cali could never make it on its own, congress would never allow it because it would set a dangerous precedent.

Perhaps we can have another war over it though. . .

[Wallenburg]

http://www.nocalifornia.nah/why_bother_fools_gold_state

Does not open.

Hehe. It was kind of obvious. "Fools Gold State" was pretty clever.

[Perthenexia]

Does not open.

Hehe. It was kind of obvious. "Fools Gold State" was pretty clever.

Good one, gotta appreciate the humor of this site.

[Perthenexia]

It would be wonderful if they would leave, but it won't happen. It's largely a joke like the Texas independence movements.

Aside from the fact that Cali could never make it on its own, congress would never allow it because it would set a dangerous precedent.

Perhaps we can have another war over it though. . .

No war, only peaceful petition.

[The Union of English Speaking Countries]

It would be wonderful if they would leave, but it won't happen. It's largely a joke like the Texas independence movements.

Aside from the fact that Cali could never make it on its own, congress would never allow it because it would set a dangerous precedent.

Perhaps we can have another war over it though. . .

No war, only peaceful petition.

And when Congress inevitably tells you to essentially piss off?

[Perthenexia]

No war, only peaceful petition.

And when Congress inevitably tells you to essentially piss off?

We keep on petitioning just like Catalonia. Their "inevitable" disagreement doesn't mean we cannot all agree within our territory that we should.

[Drown]

Please leave.

[Perthenexia]

No war, only peaceful petition.

And when Congress inevitably tells you to essentially piss off?

The situation is Catalonian.

[New haven america]

No.

[Fronsland]

Why do people want California to leave the Union?

[The Union of English Speaking Countries]

Why do people want California to leave the Union?

Because they (for whatever reason) think this will improve the life of californians, even though
1. The US government would never allow it
2. Their status as a little tiny ant next to a superpower would result in no practical change
3. They would lose all the benefits the US government provides.

[Wallenburg]

Why do people want California to leave the Union?

Because they (for whatever reason) think this will improve the life of californians, even though
1. The US government would never allow it
2. Their status as a little tiny ant next to a superpower would result in no practical change
3. They would lose all the benefits the US government provides.

What benefits?

[The Union of English Speaking Countries]

Because they (for whatever reason) think this will improve the life of californians, even though
1. The US government would never allow it
2. Their status as a little tiny ant next to a superpower would result in no practical change
3. They would lose all the benefits the US government provides.

What benefits?

The protection and negotiating weight of being in the US for one access to resources from other countries and benefiting from US trade deals, and so on and so forth.

[Fronsland]

Why do people want California to leave the Union?

Because they (for whatever reason) think this will improve the life of californians, even though
1. The US government would never allow it
2. Their status as a little tiny ant next to a superpower would result in no practical change
3. They would lose all the benefits the US government provides.

I'm a Californian (just to make it clear) and I was talking about the people who say things such as "we don't need California" or "they should leave".

[The Union of English Speaking Countries]

Because they (for whatever reason) think this will improve the life of californians, even though
1. The US government would never allow it
2. Their status as a little tiny ant next to a superpower would result in no practical change
3. They would lose all the benefits the US government provides.

I'm a Californian (just to make it clear) and I was talking about the people who say things such as "we don't need California" or "they should leave".

Oh, because they're sick of California looking down on everyone else (referring to the earlier comment about California protecting against a rampaging religious right) and are able to understand that the greatness of the US is that its a Union, for example, New York is the worlds strongest city economically, but you dont see them talking about secession an all that.

It boils down to "Get off your high horse California"

[Imperial Idaho]

I'm a Californian (just to make it clear) and I was talking about the people who say things such as "we don't need California" or "they should leave".

Oh, because they're sick of California looking down on everyone else (referring to the earlier comment about California protecting against a rampaging religious right) and are able to understand that the greatness of the US is that its a Union, for example, New York is the worlds strongest city economically, but you dont see them talking about secession an all that.

It boils down to "Get off your high horse California"

And stay in California,

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

No. Wanting to be a special snowflake (more or less) is not a solid reason to justify Balkanization.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Dont think most Californians want to leave anyway.

[Perthenexia]

Great discussion people.

This document will say it better than I will: https://indd.adobe.com/view/f49f8068-55 ... 165642527c

I have given everybody the jist of what they believe, now I am asking you to do your part. You dont have to read it, much appreciated though.

Keep talking.