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California Independence Referendum 2020 [POLL]

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Should California become an independent nation?

Yes
60
36%
No
107
64%
 
Total votes : 167

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Perthenexia
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California Independence Referendum 2020 [POLL]

Postby Perthenexia » Sat May 28, 2016 8:26 pm

There is a party by the name of the California National Party which is gathering members as we speak and not to mention the many supporters across all major social media sites including: YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter. Also of the CNP is the first candidate for office of that forming party, Louis J. Marinelli of the 80th State Assembly District.

Yes California argues that the campaign is for restoring the California populace's faith in the government, far reaching social and economic programs, as well as the proposal to bring the UN to California is proposed in their book-California's Future: Your Guide to an Independent California. Yes California and the CNP hope to have a symbolic referendum (like the one in Catalonia in 2014) on the state ballot by 2020. From there if the vote is a majority "yes" then California can call a convention of the states among other options.

Some might notice how secession sort of a taboo subject in America in present times, but this is not 1861, rather it is 2016. You go about it the more civilized and non-violent way now. Yes California aims for California to continue its trade with the United States, use the dollar for a short time, and initially allow for American military institutions to remain within California territory.

Shocking Fact: California on average loses about 50 billion dollars a year to the federal government.

Yes California argues independence would mean more cash in the new state bank, free from Citizens United, free from militaristic DC, proportional representation for the states of California, and basic public services such as universal healthcare.

Some might be for the status quo and others for something maybe different. What sort of path should California take? Please be reasonable and state all of your opinion.
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Postby The East Marches » Sat May 28, 2016 8:27 pm

Pls leave
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Postby The balkens » Sat May 28, 2016 8:36 pm

Take seattle with u pls

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Grand Eurassia
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Postby Grand Eurassia » Sat May 28, 2016 8:38 pm

Someone take me to california, and have the other two west coast states please join in making a California Republic. :D
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 28, 2016 8:38 pm

Yes please, the US would be so much better without California.
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Postby Imperial Idaho » Sat May 28, 2016 8:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yes please, the US would be so much better without California.

agreed
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California Independence Referendum 2020 [POLL]

Postby Parhe » Sat May 28, 2016 8:39 pm

Like last time, I feel the majority of Californians still do not want independence. Some group is free, I suppose, to waste money on a referendum, but don't expect it to do anything for the independence movement.
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House of Judah
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Postby House of Judah » Sat May 28, 2016 8:41 pm

The rest of the country wouldn't know what to do without us.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 28, 2016 8:41 pm

House of Judah wrote:The rest of the country wouldn't know what to do without us.


Be sane.
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Postby Noraika » Sat May 28, 2016 8:42 pm

YES! Restore along with it the full territory lost to California when the United States annexed our free and sovereign state!
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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Sat May 28, 2016 8:42 pm

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Please no. I don't want to move to Arizona to have adequate representation.
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Postby Grand Eurassia » Sat May 28, 2016 8:45 pm

I am all for a break up of the US entirely. A West Coast Republic. A new CSA, a New England Commonwealth...
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Postby Noraika » Sat May 28, 2016 8:45 pm

Sack Jackpot Winners wrote:
The East Marches wrote:Pls leave

Please no. I don't want to move to Arizona to have adequate representation.

Plus, with adequate representation, and 150% of its current budget (from all the federal money they give), and the revenue from the new territory, we'd be able to establish proper transportation, infrastructure, healthcare, and education, which are so much needed to relieve our high poverty. But in the meantime, while our people suffer under economic struggles and federal burdens, we are forced to send that precious money to the South.
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Postby Parhe » Sat May 28, 2016 8:47 pm

Noraika wrote:YES! Restore along with it the full territory lost to California when the United States annexed our free and sovereign state!

The only thing they share are their names, California.
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Postby Imperial Idaho » Sat May 28, 2016 8:49 pm

Parhe wrote:
Noraika wrote:YES! Restore along with it the full territory lost to California when the United States annexed our free and sovereign state!

The only thing they share are their names, California.

and general lack of water
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Postby Noraika » Sat May 28, 2016 8:49 pm

Parhe wrote:
Noraika wrote:YES! Restore along with it the full territory lost to California when the United States annexed our free and sovereign state!

The only thing they share are their names, California.

Also both were territories at one time controlled by the founding father and revolutionary of the Californios, William B. Ide. The Commander of the California Republic. With that said, I'd gladly settle for just central California.

Imperial Idaho wrote:and general lack of water

There are ways to remedy that very easily. We follow the same path as other countries and establish desalination and conservation measures, in times of need, but California does get water, and is even a breadbasket of agriculture in the current United States.
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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Sat May 28, 2016 8:50 pm

Noraika wrote:
Sack Jackpot Winners wrote:Please no. I don't want to move to Arizona to have adequate representation.

Plus, with adequate representation, and 150% of its current budget (from all the federal money they give), and the revenue from the new territory, we'd be able to establish proper transportation, infrastructure, healthcare, and education, which are so much needed to relieve our high poverty. But in the meantime, while our people suffer under economic struggles and federal burdens, we are forced to send that precious money to the South.


Most of California's problems are because of it's own ineptitude. Let's start with that horrible organization known as CalTrans and that near useless train through the Central Valley, then onto the ineptitude of some of our more favored tourists spots.
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California Independence Referendum 2020 [POLL]

Postby Parhe » Sat May 28, 2016 8:50 pm

Noraika wrote:
Parhe wrote:The only thing they share are their names, California.

Also both were territories at one time controlled by the founding father and revolutionary of the Californios, William B. Ide. The Commander of the California Republic. With that said, I'd gladly settle for just central California.

You do realize, the California Republic only ever controlled, at most, a handful of cities that aren't very relevant today, right?
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Postby Gristol-Serkonos » Sat May 28, 2016 8:51 pm

yes.

join us Canucks.

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Postby Noraika » Sat May 28, 2016 8:53 pm

Parhe wrote:You do realize, the California Republic only ever controlled, at most, a handful of cities that aren't very relevant today, right?

My support for seperatism comes from multiple areas, and California's history twice successfully establishing itself as a free and sovereign state is only a part of that.
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California Independence Referendum 2020 [POLL]

Postby Parhe » Sat May 28, 2016 8:55 pm

Noraika wrote:
Parhe wrote:You do realize, the California Republic only ever controlled, at most, a handful of cities that aren't very relevant today, right?

My support for seperatism comes from multiple areas, and California's history twice as being a free and sovereign state is only a part of that.

The failed Republic of California rebellion shouldn't really be a part of it at all, especially to claim land outside of modern-day California. Also, twice?

EDIT: Most of California, even just modern California, was never free or sovereign, at lest not since it was colonized.
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Postby The Polynesian Republic » Sat May 28, 2016 8:55 pm

Jefferson can't become a state but California can become independent?

Okay.
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Postby Perthenexia » Sat May 28, 2016 9:08 pm

The Polynesian Republic wrote:Jefferson can't become a state but California can become independent?

Okay.


Jefferson would be a state of the hypothetical Republic of California and would enjoy its representation in the national assembly.

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Postby Noraika » Sat May 28, 2016 9:09 pm

Parhe wrote:
Noraika wrote:My support for seperatism comes from multiple areas, and California's history twice as being a free and sovereign state is only a part of that.

The failed Republic of California rebellion shouldn't really be a part of it at all, especially to claim land outside of modern-day California. Also, twice?

EDIT: Most of California, even just modern California, was never free or sovereign, at lest not since it was colonized.

Indeed. The first time was in 1822. This ended when eventually Mexico granted California military protection to California, in a confederal model whereby California was still respected and given all independent rights as a "free and sovereign State", while being a Protectorate of Mexico.

Regardless, as I've said, the very important aspects of my Nationalism, comes from economic, financial, and other influences. The historical conditions of independence and rebellion are just something which is an extra feature, for lack of better terms.

The Polynesian Republic wrote:Jefferson can't become a state but California can become independent?

Okay.

    1) Jefferson would be the creation of a new state, and not the restoration of an old one.
    2) Differing circumstances. California has multiple economic and financial factors, while Jefferson is just an issue of differing political ideology. But I digress.
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Postby House of Judah » Sat May 28, 2016 9:09 pm

Ew, federalization.

Forget that noise. We shouldn't become an independent country, but if we do definitely ditch the federal system. And presidential model, parliamentary system FTW.

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