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Kosovo is...

Serbia?
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Albania?
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Postby Luziyca » Fri May 27, 2016 7:32 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Personally, Kosovo's future should be decided by the residents of Kosovo, no matter their ethnicity.


They did that, and the results were overwhelmingly in favor of getting the fuck away from Serbia.

It should be monitored by an international organization, and the results should be binding on all parties.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri May 27, 2016 7:32 pm

Great Feng wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:Solution is easy. Give the Serbian populated areas of Kosovo on the border with Serbia to Serbia

The following a Kosovo ethnic map. Serbian areas in dark blue - http://www.balkaninside.com/wp-content/ ... Kosovo.gif

What about Kosovo's cultural and historical importance to Serbia?


I think it has to do with centuries ago that is where they defeated the Ottoman Turks.
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Postby Great Feng » Fri May 27, 2016 7:32 pm

Arana wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
They did that, and the results were overwhelmingly in favor of getting the fuck away from Serbia.

Well then they should get the fuck away from Serbia.

Self-determination and all that.

But....historical and cultural significance....
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri May 27, 2016 7:33 pm

Arana wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
They did that, and the results were overwhelmingly in favor of getting the fuck away from Serbia.

Well then they should get the fuck away from Serbia.

Self-determination and all that.


Aye.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri May 27, 2016 7:35 pm

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Postby Rio Cana » Fri May 27, 2016 7:36 pm

Luziyca wrote:Personally, Kosovo's future should be decided by the residents of Kosovo, no matter their ethnicity.


This is more complicated. Kosovo had been part of Serbia. There were Serbians who had lived there for centuries. Has you can see on the map I put on before, there are parts of Kosovo which are majority Serbian. These areas, which generally only make up two large areas, should have had there own referendums. Question should have been do you want to continue being part of Serbia or stay with Kosovo.

Map - http://www.balkaninside.com/wp-content/ ... Kosovo.gif
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Postby Noraika » Fri May 27, 2016 7:40 pm

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Postby Mugrul » Fri May 27, 2016 7:51 pm

Ideally the northern mostly Serbian bit should go to Serbia while the south should go to Albania. Though that's complicated and there's no urgent need to have it become either right now.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 28, 2016 12:20 pm

Whatever the people living there want to be.
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Postby Kubra » Sat May 28, 2016 12:26 pm

The Serbs put their bets on force of arms instead of demographics, and they are thus the losers. At it stands, despite the history of Kosovo and it's significance to Serbs, it's a Albanian turf whether they like it or not.
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Postby Olerand » Sat May 28, 2016 12:45 pm

Well, Kosovo is Kosovo. Considering what a failed State it is however, perhaps it should -and it should- merge with Albania. Albania's not stellar either, but it is certainly better than Kosovo.

Kosovo is not Serbia, as the people living in Kosovo have no desire to be a part of Serbia. Alternatively, Serb-populated North Kosovo should be swapped with Serbia for the south-western extremities of Serbia that are Albanian-majority.
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Postby Sasar De » Sat May 28, 2016 1:53 pm

Kosovo son Argentinas.

Olerand wrote:Well, Kosovo is Kosovo. Considering what a failed State it is however, perhaps it should -and it should- merge with Albania. Albania's not stellar either, but it is certainly better than Kosovo.

Kosovo is not Serbia, as the people living in Kosovo have no desire to be a part of Serbia. Alternatively, Serb-populated North Kosovo should be swapped with Serbia for the south-western extremities of Serbia that are Albanian-majority.

At least Kosovo is less corrupt than Bosnia.

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Postby Risottia » Sat May 28, 2016 2:01 pm

Kubra wrote:The Serbs put their bets on force of arms instead of demographics,

...because Albanians didn't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army
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Postby -Mr Money- » Sat May 28, 2016 2:03 pm

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Sat May 28, 2016 2:04 pm

Kosovo is Kosovo. </thread>
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Postby Panslavicland » Sat May 28, 2016 2:04 pm

Kosovo is part of Serbia. Just because a group of people came to power illegitimately and declared independence does not mean that this criminal act should be respected.

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Postby Olerand » Sat May 28, 2016 2:18 pm

Sasar De wrote:Kosovo son Argentinas.

Olerand wrote:Well, Kosovo is Kosovo. Considering what a failed State it is however, perhaps it should -and it should- merge with Albania. Albania's not stellar either, but it is certainly better than Kosovo.

Kosovo is not Serbia, as the people living in Kosovo have no desire to be a part of Serbia. Alternatively, Serb-populated North Kosovo should be swapped with Serbia for the south-western extremities of Serbia that are Albanian-majority.

At least Kosovo is less corrupt than Bosnia.

Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that. Kosovo is legendary for corruption in Europe.
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Postby Sasar De » Sat May 28, 2016 2:26 pm

Olerand wrote:
Sasar De wrote:Kosovo son Argentinas.


At least Kosovo is less corrupt than Bosnia.

Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that. Kosovo is legendary for corruption in Europe.

Well when you look at petty corruption, yes. It's even less corrupt than Serbia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer

There is the possibility that people lied of course. But it's a pretty wide margin still.

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Postby New Waterford » Sat May 28, 2016 2:55 pm

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Postby Vorond » Sat May 28, 2016 2:56 pm

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Postby NewVinlandia » Sat May 28, 2016 3:00 pm

Kick out the Serbs living there for generations? Sure, why not. Millions "ethnically cleansed" from the Eastern German lands was a good start, so by comparison I suppose a few hundred thousand Christian Serbs can be overlooked in a few years.

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Postby Olerand » Sat May 28, 2016 3:06 pm

Sasar De wrote:
Olerand wrote:Do you have a source for that? I highly doubt that. Kosovo is legendary for corruption in Europe.

Well when you look at petty corruption, yes. It's even less corrupt than Serbia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer

There is the possibility that people lied of course. But it's a pretty wide margin still.

Hum, very interesting.
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Postby Mugrul » Sat May 28, 2016 4:44 pm

Risottia wrote:
Kubra wrote:The Serbs put their bets on force of arms instead of demographics,

...because Albanians didn't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

Oh Rissotia.....

The KLA are an excuse for the Serbs eh? Can't say I expect the same from you regarding Kokoity & friends on the Georgians.

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Postby Esternial » Sat May 28, 2016 4:46 pm

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Postby Geilinor » Sat May 28, 2016 4:47 pm

Risottia wrote:
Kubra wrote:The Serbs put their bets on force of arms instead of demographics,

...because Albanians didn't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

It says "the neutrality of this article is disputed" at the top.
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