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Do vaccines cause autism

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No
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Wed May 18, 2016 4:34 pm

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He's fucking A-OK.

Do you get where I was coming from though? My little brother who just passed away had autism severely and my little cousin has it and the symptoms can increase after vaccination if combined with a lack of an immune system and adverse reactions to Mercury.
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Postby United States of Natan » Wed May 18, 2016 4:34 pm

Of course not, and as someone on the spectrum, I am deeply hurt that some people think my condition was caused by vaccines.
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Postby Risottia » Wed May 18, 2016 4:35 pm

Savalen wrote:What if I were to say yes?

You'd be asked to source your claim with something more reputable than blogs.
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Postby Ratateague » Wed May 18, 2016 4:35 pm

ADST World wrote:
Stahn wrote:A learning disability is not what autism is.

I don't know the answer to the question.

Yes, under some country's legal systems, it is a learning disability. Also, if it isn't, then what is it?

Developmental disability, mayhaps? If severe enough, execute functioning is shot to shit. Essentially making independent living a sisyphean task.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed May 18, 2016 4:35 pm

Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
He's fucking A-OK.

Do you get where I was coming from though? My little brother who just passed away had autism severely and my little cousin has it and the symptoms can increase after vaccination if combined with a lack of an immune system and adverse reactions to Mercury.


Not sure how this is related to either of the quotations posted....

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed May 18, 2016 4:35 pm

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Costa Fierro wrote:Unfortunately, it's caused by the wrong kinds of people reproducing. Thankfully science is coming up with ways of reversing autism in the womb.


Is that actually true?


Depends on whether or not you belive autistic people should reproduce, I suppose?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed May 18, 2016 4:36 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:There is as much evidence for vaccines causing autism as there is for GMOs causing health problems.

No, I'm pretty sure we have more sound evidence about vaccine NOT causing autism than about GMOs causing health problems.


What you said is different from what I said. People claim vaccines causing autism and the evidence FOR this is the same as the evidence FOR the claim that gmos cause health issues. The evidence against this claim is indeed significantly higher then for the gmo one.
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Postby Fairy Wings » Wed May 18, 2016 4:36 pm

And autism is not a bad thing. It's just something that makes us different than neurotypicals. DIFFERENT, not less.

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Postby Sammuramat » Wed May 18, 2016 4:36 pm

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Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:Article says 1% of people with autism.


Better than 0%. Obviously more severe cases can't be helped at this stage, so it would still require those who have it to either remain celibate or get a vasectomy to stop it spreading.


Autism is far more unpredictable than being just hereditary. And the suffering causes to autistic people is usually caused more by other people's reactions to autism than autism itself - why should autistic people be banned from having children because those children might be disadvantaged by society?

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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed May 18, 2016 4:36 pm

Savalen wrote:What if I were to say yes?

I would expect you have some groundbreaking new evidence.
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Postby Leppikania » Wed May 18, 2016 4:36 pm

No. It's not. The whole belief that vaccines caused autism came from a single study, which got refuted by several other studies and eventually withdrawn.
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Postby ADST World » Wed May 18, 2016 4:36 pm

Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
He's fucking A-OK.

Do you get where I was coming from though? My little brother who just passed away had autism severely and my little cousin has it and the symptoms can increase after vaccination if combined with a lack of an immune system and adverse reactions to Mercury.

Being on the spectrum myself, all I can say is I'm sorry for your loss, but have you considered that you may have been making a false correlation between the two? Could something else have increased the symptoms?
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed May 18, 2016 4:37 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
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Is that actually true?


Depends on whether or not you belive autistic people should reproduce, I suppose?


Obviously there are non-autistic couples who have autistic children.
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Postby ADST World » Wed May 18, 2016 4:38 pm

Ratateague wrote:
ADST World wrote:Yes, under some country's legal systems, it is a learning disability. Also, if it isn't, then what is it?

Developmental disability, mayhaps? If severe enough, execute functioning is shot to shit.

And if not, is just something you have to live with. Like a learning disability, it is just something you have to learn to live with, and learn that you will always live differently from other people to some degree.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed May 18, 2016 4:38 pm

Fairy Wings wrote:And autism is not a bad thing. It's just something that makes us different than neurotypicals. DIFFERENT, not less.

I don't recall anyone saying it was a bad thing.
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Postby Republic of Tacos » Wed May 18, 2016 4:38 pm

ADST World wrote:Is the learning disability known as autism caused by vaccines? Personally I don't think so. The scientific evidence is very much against it, and there are many stories of parents who avoided vaccines due to paranoia, but their children developed autism anyways.

Also, there are many autistic people out there who themselves admit that they think there is no correlation. These are people with firsthand experience of what it is like, and who also think that there is no link. Personally, due to the overwhelming evidence and witnesses in favour of there being no link, I suggest everybody go get vaccinated now.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed May 18, 2016 4:38 pm

ADST World wrote:Also, if it isn't, then what is it?


Faulty wiring. My parents should have got a refund.

Salus Maior wrote:Is that actually true?


I was mistaken about the womb and reversing it completely, but it can be done with adult brains. What happens is that they've identified a protein called Shank3 which is either missing or defective. Turning it on or implanting it can eliminate symptoms of autism such as compulsive behaviour, avoidance of social interactions and anxiety.
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Wed May 18, 2016 4:39 pm

ADST World wrote:
Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:Do you get where I was coming from though? My little brother who just passed away had autism severely and my little cousin has it and the symptoms can increase after vaccination if combined with a lack of an immune system and adverse reactions to Mercury.

Being on the spectrum myself, all I can say is I'm sorry for your loss, but have you considered that you may have been making a false correlation between the two? Could something else have increased the symptoms?

It's more if you lack an immune system and have a Mercury intolerance it can lead to troubles. It's complicated and I in no way think vaccines cause autism. I just think in certain troubled cases it might not help, that just makes it more important everyone around you gets them though.
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Postby ADST World » Wed May 18, 2016 4:39 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:Do you get where I was coming from though? My little brother who just passed away had autism severely and my little cousin has it and the symptoms can increase after vaccination if combined with a lack of an immune system and adverse reactions to Mercury.


Not sure how this is related to either of the quotations posted....

The quote before it referenced the first post, in which he swore. I apologize for the misunderstanding, by the way, I mixed up a thread rule and a mod rule by accident. Will try not to let it happen again.
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Postby Sammuramat » Wed May 18, 2016 4:39 pm

Rhyfelnydd wrote:
Fairy Wings wrote:And autism is not a bad thing. It's just something that makes us different than neurotypicals. DIFFERENT, not less.

I don't recall anyone saying it was a bad thing.

It's implied by the people who are glad that it can be 'reversed'.

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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Wed May 18, 2016 4:40 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:Do you get where I was coming from though? My little brother who just passed away had autism severely and my little cousin has it and the symptoms can increase after vaccination if combined with a lack of an immune system and adverse reactions to Mercury.


Not sure how this is related to either of the quotations posted....

Oh silly me, I assumed you were reading the thread.
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Postby Risottia » Wed May 18, 2016 4:40 pm

Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
He's fucking A-OK.

Do you get where I was coming from though? My little brother who just passed away had autism severely and my little cousin has it and the symptoms can increase after vaccination if combined with a lack of an immune system and adverse reactions to Mercury.


Into astrology?

If you're referring to the element mercury (the planet has a capital M, the element does not), mercury isn't used in vaccines since 2000 and removing thiomersal from the equation has resulted in an increase of autism anyway.
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Postby Vvarden » Wed May 18, 2016 4:41 pm

I'm autistic, aspergers' and the answer is a definite "No"

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Postby The East Marches » Wed May 18, 2016 4:41 pm

Sammuramat wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:I don't recall anyone saying it was a bad thing.

It's implied by the people who are glad that it can be 'reversed'.


People wouldn't be searching for a cure if it didn't negatively impact people's lives.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed May 18, 2016 4:41 pm

Sammuramat wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:I don't recall anyone saying it was a bad thing.

It's implied by the people who are glad that it can be 'reversed'.

In severe autism it can greatly inhibit ones life and function. I really don't see how the ability to possibly remove such disability is now a bad thing.
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