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Which of the following would you prefer to be the next leader of the Conservative Party?

Andrea Leadsom
27
18%
Liam Fox
7
5%
Michael Gove
17
11%
Stephen Crabb
6
4%
Theresa May
38
25%
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
57
38%
 
Total votes : 152

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:19 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Any ideas?

I can't come up with one...


Burnham, on the understanding he drifts slightly leftward of how he ran his leadership campaign. I think that would be acceptable.

He was the fallback candidate for Corbyn supporters, has been loyal to Corbyn until now, etc. He lacks the stain of being a Blairite in revolt.

He's a snake who was so scared of Manchester Momentum in his run for Mayor he decided to support Corbyn. Heck no. It has to be a Leader that unifies the party. And Burnham is not that man.

Did I mention he's running as far as he can from Westminster to become Mayor of Manchester?
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:19 am

i am still legitimately expecting a bunch of polski skleps to get smashed up and people on NSG and reddit to go "hmm well yes but......"
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:20 am

Souseiseki wrote:oh did we mention they don't actually have a candidate to replace corbyn lol

Time to find out if the UK actually needs a Prime Minister or Opposition Leader.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:20 am

Souseiseki wrote:i am still legitimately expecting a bunch of polski skleps to get smashed up and people on NSG and reddit to go "hmm well yes but......"

"Ah Wolfmanne, it's the discontent the white working class feel being expressed".
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Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.

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Postby Questers » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:26 am

is it now time for a new left wing party and then coalition between SNP-Labour-Newparty-Greens or what
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Postby Questers » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:26 am

Souseiseki wrote:i am still legitimately expecting a bunch of polski skleps to get smashed up and people on NSG and reddit to go "hmm well yes but......"

remember what i said eh
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:28 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:29 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Burnham, on the understanding he drifts slightly leftward of how he ran his leadership campaign. I think that would be acceptable.

He was the fallback candidate for Corbyn supporters, has been loyal to Corbyn until now, etc. He lacks the stain of being a Blairite in revolt.

He's a snake who was so scared of Manchester Momentum in his run for Mayor he decided to support Corbyn. Heck no. It has to be a Leader that unifies the party. And Burnham is not that man.

Did I mention he's running as far as he can from Westminster to become Mayor of Manchester?


Who would you suggest as a compromise candidate.
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Postby Questers » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:30 am

Souseiseki wrote:https://twitter.com/jakeyapp/status/747450196330700801

>scotland's only tory
im amazed after all the gaffs in parliament that MPs arent more concerned about being photographed every minute of being there tbh

my MP is part of MP4. MPs are a weird lot.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:31 am

I should point out that having sound policies that appeal to a broad swath of the population won't work with our current media unless you're a "Character.".
You need to get up to a bunch of sensationalist bullshit. I suspect that's one reason for the massive levels of polarization we've seen, because if you announce a 4% tax cut and your opponent announces 5, he's getting all the headlines.
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:31 am

"maybe prank call the BNP and tell them the Sun is owned by an immigrant"

oh god we must do this
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:32 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:I should point out that having sound policies that appeal to a broad swath of the population won't work with our current media unless you're a "Character.".
You need to get up to a bunch of sensationalist bullshit. I suspect that's one reason for the massive levels of polarization we've seen, because if you announce a 4% tax cut and your opponent announces 5, he's getting all the headlines.


it's almost like the modern media has ruined democracy
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Postby Questers » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:32 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:I should point out that having sound policies that appeal to a broad swath of the population won't work with our current media unless you're a "Character.".
You need to get up to a bunch of sensationalist bullshit. I suspect that's one reason for the massive levels of polarization we've seen, because if you announce a 4% tax cut and your opponent announces 5, he's getting all the headlines.
like I said next time we get a real government we need to have words with fleet street
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:34 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Holy crap! That is insane. I raised the prospect a couple of days ago it could be like Scotland all over again but I never thought something like this was a possibility.

This coup is really all or nothing. I don't think I've ever seen grassroots moderates so organised right now, we're literally fighting for our existence.


I can't really make much sense of it, I know you have your ear to the ground but damn it all seems so senseless right now this Labour fighting.

I will say whoever came up with the leadership procedure and £3 membership class needs a kick up the arse along with the we must put up a left wing mps for the debate. That is the route of all this trouble.

But I do feel like we left an open goal ball on the six yard box and somehow you guys conspired to hit the crossbar and have the ball rebound back into your own net.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:37 am

Souseiseki wrote:https://twitter.com/jakeyapp/status/747450196330700801

>scotland's only tory

He's getting a practical use out of his beard, what's the problem? :P
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:37 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:This coup is really all or nothing. I don't think I've ever seen grassroots moderates so organised right now, we're literally fighting for our existence.


I can't really make much sense of it, I know you have your ear to the ground but damn it all seems so senseless right now this Labour fighting.

I will say whoever came up with the leadership procedure and £3 membership class needs a kick up the arse along with the we must put up a left wing mps for the debate. That is the route of all this trouble.

But I do feel like we left an open goal ball on the six yard box and somehow you guys conspired to hit the crossbar and have the ball rebound back into your own net.


hmm would you say that the problem was that labour was too democratic
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:38 am

perhaps the establishment should have done something like "lol that's dumb we're not doing it" and told the voters to bite it

an interesting idea
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:38 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:But I do feel like we left an open goal ball on the six yard box and somehow you guys conspired to hit the crossbar and have the ball rebound back into your own net.


also yes exactly they're complete idiots that care more about corbyn delenda est than the biggest political crisis in decades
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:42 am

Souseiseki wrote:https://twitter.com/jakeyapp/status/747450196330700801

>scotland's only tory

Right.

Im done with politics for the day.

Real life politics that is. Fictional stuff is so much more interesting and less annoying any way.
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Postby Valaran » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:44 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:https://twitter.com/jakeyapp/status/747450196330700801

>scotland's only tory

Right.

Im done with politics for the day.

Real life politics that is. Fictional stuff is so much more interesting and less annoying any way.



"From Trump to Boris, I wouldn’t write The Thick of It now – politics already feels fictional enough.
I now find the political landscape so alien and awful that it’s hard to match the waves of cynicism it transmits on its own."
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Postby Valaran » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:07 am

Apparently, here is one the resignation letters to Corbyn.
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Postby Hydesland » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:08 am

I've always voted Labour. They're a joke now. I'll probably vote Lib Dem next.

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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:09 am

Hydesland wrote:I've always voted Labour. They're a joke now. I'll probably vote Lib Dem next.


go away 2010 me
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Postby Valaran » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:09 am

I'd vote Labour more often if I thought their leadership was any good... :unsure:
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:12 am

hydesland should we be open-palm slamming the BUY DOLLARS NOW button y/n

NSG is a good place for financial advice
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