UK Politics Thread III: Thready McThreadface (+ Jo Cox)

[Wolfmanne2]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... ap-general

Nihil and Lamadia, go pop the champagne. Corbots, don't wake up or you'll smell the coffee.

[The Nihilistic view]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/76611/exclusive-150-labour-mps-face-defeat-snap-general

Nihil and Lamadia, go pop the champagne. Corbots, don't wake up or you'll smell the coffee.

Holy crap! That is insane. I raised the prospect a couple of days ago it could be like Scotland all over again but I never thought something like this was a possibility.

[Souseiseki]

if you win a landslide election after blowing up the country and making a blunder so bad we're already trying to figure out where on the list of bas governments you're going i will fucking scream

[Souseiseki]

oh right it's a leave thing

who are they losing the seats to then?

[Wolfmanne2]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/76611/exclusive-150-labour-mps-face-defeat-snap-general

Nihil and Lamadia, go pop the champagne. Corbots, don't wake up or you'll smell the coffee.

Holy crap! That is insane. I raised the prospect a couple of days ago it could be like Scotland all over again but I never thought something like this was a possibility.

This coup is really all or nothing. I don't think I've ever seen grassroots moderates so organised right now, we're literally fighting for our existence.

[The Nihilistic view]

Already got our first slogan for the people that are remainers. Vote labour get UKIP.

[Questers]

1: Your ideology died when the eastern bloc fell.

ahahahahhahaha

[Souseiseki]

Holy crap! That is insane. I raised the prospect a couple of days ago it could be like Scotland all over again but I never thought something like this was a possibility.

This coup is really all or nothing. I don't think I've ever seen grassroots moderates so organised right now, we're literally fighting for our existence.

how do you intend to get leave areas back on board

[Wolfmanne2]

Already got our first slogan for the people that are remainers. Vote labour get UKIP.

Labour might basically become the London SNP. Which is sorta cool I guess, I can moan about Westminster like Sous even though it's in the same city.

This coup is really all or nothing. I don't think I've ever seen grassroots moderates so organised right now, we're literally fighting for our existence.

how do you intend to get leave areas back on board

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1458 ... _new_poll/

Getting rid of Corbyn. Even his so-called 'core-group plus' is ditching him and they're the ones who didn't just want to make it work, but also were against the 'constant sniping', as Corbyn himself might put it.

[Questers]

This coup is really all or nothing. I don't think I've ever seen grassroots moderates so organised right now, we're literally fighting for our existence.

how do you intend to get leave areas back on board

let me tell you about PRIVATE FINANCE INITIATIVES

[Wolfmanne2]

how do you intend to get leave areas back on board

let me tell you about PRIVATE FINANCE INITIATIVES

They're just dead memes now. No one is saying go back to the 90s or 2000s. When soft leftists like Lisa Nandy, Owen Smith and Angela Eagle can't deal with Corbyn, you know it's shit.

[Questers]

I am not inherently or intrinsically against replacing Corbyn. His performance in PMQs was lacklustre, he doesn't have the panache of a modern politician and he does have some personally very sketchy views.

However if he's going to be replaced with someone in the new labourite tradition it will really be the end of the Party.

There's absolutely no reason for anyone in the ex-labour heartlands where leave dominated -- and where big name labourites would lose their vote in a snap election, apparently -- to come back to voting for any of those types of people.

Last year during the leadership election we can probably remember how the two centre-right options for Labour (Cooper & Kendall) and Andy Burnham all abstained on the Welfare Bill. Corbyn voted no. Imo this says everything about these people. We could replace Corbyn, tbh, but the leftwards movement of the Party is irreplaceable.

[Souseiseki]

oh did we mention they don't actually have a candidate to replace corbyn lol

[Ostroeuropa]

I am not inherently or intrinsically against replacing Corbyn. His performance in PMQs was lacklustre, he doesn't have the panache of a modern politician and he does have some personally very sketchy views.

However if he's going to be replaced with someone in the new labourite tradition it will really be the end of the Party.

There's absolutely no reason for anyone in the ex-labour heartlands where leave dominated -- and where big name labourites would lose their vote in a snap election, apparently -- to come back to voting for any of those types of people.

Last year during the leadership election we can probably remember how the two centre-right options for Labour (Cooper & Kendall) and Andy Burnham all abstained on the Welfare Bill. Corbyn voted no. Imo this says everything about these people. We could replace Corbyn, tbh, but the leftwards movement of the Party is irreplaceable.

Burnham might be able to unite the party tbh. I'd say the left wing faction have made their point pretty clear. Move left, or we'll destroy everything.
Problem is he's a loyalist and has already said he's against this coup, and is loyal to the party and to its leader.

[Questers]

There are millions -- quite literally -- of working class people who voted Leave because of dissatisfaction with politics and the slow erosion of their communities.

Why anyone thinks they would vote for Yvette Cooper is beyond me. If they get rid of Corbyn Labour has to put someone in who is ACTUALLY electable not electable in 2005.

[Ostroeuropa]

There are millions -- quite literally -- of working class people who voted Leave because of dissatisfaction with politics and the slow erosion of their communities.

Why anyone thinks they would vote for Yvette Cooper is beyond me. If they get rid of Corbyn Labour has to put someone in who is ACTUALLY electable not electable in 2005.

I agree. If they put a Blairite in his place, it is the end of the party and they will never recover.
The shift will be final and complete.

The working classes that don't give up altogether will join the Nationalists.

A candidate between Corbyn and the Blairites would be more acceptable, if the poll numbers were emphasized.

[Valaran]

Why anyone thinks they would vote for Yvette Cooper is beyond me. If they get rid of Corbyn Labour has to put someone in who is ACTUALLY electable not electable in 2005.

Any ideas?

I can't come up with one...

[Souseiseki]

hope is a mistake, england is dead

[Wolfmanne2]

Why anyone thinks they would vote for Yvette Cooper is beyond me. If they get rid of Corbyn Labour has to put someone in who is ACTUALLY electable not electable in 2005.

Any ideas?

I can't come up with one...

Owen Smith would satisfy Questers.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why anyone thinks they would vote for Yvette Cooper is beyond me. If they get rid of Corbyn Labour has to put someone in who is ACTUALLY electable not electable in 2005.

Any ideas?

I can't come up with one...

Burnham, on the understanding he drifts slightly leftward of how he ran his leadership campaign. I think that would be acceptable.

He was the fallback candidate for Corbyn supporters, has been loyal to Corbyn until now, etc. He lacks the stain of being a Blairite in revolt.

[Questers]

Why anyone thinks they would vote for Yvette Cooper is beyond me. If they get rid of Corbyn Labour has to put someone in who is ACTUALLY electable not electable in 2005.

Any ideas?

I can't come up with one...

The best part: no. I can't think of any. It has to be non-Corbyn cabinet but not far right enough that they would actually propose changing something about the fucking country. Maybe Benn? I don't know. There is also Burnham but he was in the Corbyn cabinet sooo

[Valaran]

Owen Smith would satisfy Questers.

Would he satisfy you, too?

I don't know his views.

The best part: no. I can't think of any. It has to be non-Corbyn cabinet but not far right enough that they would actually propose changing something about the fucking country. Maybe Benn? I don't know. There is also Burnham but he was in the Corbyn cabinet sooo

I don't think Benn (I like him, but a lot now don't). Mayyybe Burnham could plod through as a Labour leader, but he's not ideal, I don't think.

e: this would also be a reply to Ostro as well, since you mentioned Burnham too.

[Ostroeuropa]

Any ideas?

I can't come up with one...

The best part: no. I can't think of any. It has to be non-Corbyn cabinet but not far right enough that they would actually propose changing something about the fucking country. Maybe Benn? I don't know. There is also Burnham but he was in the Corbyn cabinet sooo

I don't see the problem with him being in Corbyns cabinet.

[Questers]

Well he is "tainted" no?

To be honest, there are probably Labour MPs who fit my views almost accurately. But they wouldn't have enough public recognition.

[Souseiseki]

http://i.imgur.com/DYV6vDp.jpg

streets full of jewish shops, kids not speaking german... but our gorious flag flies high again