The Jewish Situation

[The Imperium Empires]

Us in Australia have nothing against Jews if anything people kinda like them.

[East Gondwana]

We don't really have many Jewish people in Australia (at least not where I live, anyway), so I've never really had a an opinion on Jews. It's just another religion to me, so I'm pretty indifferent. That said, I am aware of the history of anti-semitism in Europe, the US, the Middle East etc.

When it comes to Israel, I believe there is no ideal solution that's 100% fair and perfect for all parties, but I feel that a two-state solution is the most realistically fair and just option. Even though Israel was established on Palestinian land, you can't just uproot an entire naiton of people and dump them somewhere else (that's why we're in this mess in the first place). I think that the Israeli Government (and I want to be clear here, I'm talking about the government of Israel and its policies, not the Israeli people and certainly not Jewish people as a whole) needs to stop being so hostile to Palestinians - yes Hamas is attacking Israel, but we know for a fact that the Israeli government attacks civillian targets, and honestly there's nothing stopping them from taking the moral high ground and stopping and calling for a ceasefire and opening peace talks that could lead to a more permanent, peaceful and stable solution.

[Sichem]

We don't really have many Jewish people in Australia (at least not where I live, anyway), so I've never really had a an opinion on Jews. It's just another religion to me, so I'm pretty indifferent. That said, I am aware of the history of anti-semitism in Europe, the US, the Middle East etc.

When it comes to Israel, I believe there is no ideal solution that's 100% fair and perfect for all parties, but I feel that a two-state solution is the most realistically fair and just option. Even though Israel was established on Palestinian land, you can't just uproot an entire naiton of people and dump them somewhere else (that's why we're in this mess in the first place). I think that the Israeli Government (and I want to be clear here, I'm talking about the government of Israel and its policies, not the Israeli people and certainly not Jewish people as a whole) needs to stop being so hostile to Palestinians - yes Hamas is attacking Israel, but we know for a fact that the Israeli government attacks civillian targets, and honestly there's nothing stopping them from taking the moral high ground and stopping and calling for a ceasefire and opening peace talks that could lead to a more permanent, peaceful and stable solution.

If we want to be realistic here, there will most likely be no united Israel-Palestine talks until the ultra-conservative older generation dies off from old age.

[USS Monitor]

My perception is that while most Americans support Israel and are not anti-semitic, most youth tend to condemn Israel and display antisemitic behaviour, probably because of natural inexperience and rebelliousness that (hopefully) changes as you get older. Because of this, there can be a hostile atmosphere in places like college campuses or internet forums.

As for Israel... I think the West Bank and Gaza have proven themselves incapable of sane self-rule. I am tempted to say a third power ought to take custody and enforce law & order in Gaza and the West Bank until such time as they can be integrated into Egypt and Israel, respectively- not that anyone wants to. It would be hugely expensive, dangerous, and everyone would hate on whoever does it, but, how else are you going to do it? I can't see the Palestinians ever reliquishing terrorism on their own.

Israel refuses to recognize Palestine as an independent country, but then treats crimes committed by Palestinians as if they were acts of war. It would be like if the US launched air raids against Detroit every time there's a gang-related murder in Michigan. It's not OK, and you don't have to be antisemitic to have a problem with it.

But oh, sure, the younger generation is totally antisemitic. That's why we all voted for Bernie Sanders, cos we hate Jews and don't want them running governments.

[USS Monitor]

I think "Jewish" should be an ethnicity factored in things like college and affirmative action.

I was asked my religion when I applied for college. It's possible they do factor it into affirmative action programs.

[Jetan]

Nothing against Jews in general. I do support Israel's right to exist, altough I think it's going about that existence in entirely wrong manner.

Personal anecdote time. For some reason I seem to constantly run into jews ("run into" as in not only do our paths cross but for one reason or other it becomes known they're jewish which is far from given) eventhough they are an absurdly small minority here (c. 1300). My upper secondary school (c. 400 students) had a jewish girl I had some courses with, in the military one of my platoon mates was jewish, and at polytechnic one of my pals and one of the tutors were jewish.

[Spiffier]

I think "Jewish" should be an ethnicity factored in things like college and affirmative action.

I was asked my religion when I applied for college. It's possible they do factor it into affirmative action programs.

There are plenty of Jewish people who don't subscribe to Judaism.

[Sichem]

I was asked my religion when I applied for college. It's possible they do factor it into affirmative action programs.

There are plenty of Jewish people who don't subscribe to Judaism.

Yes, those are called Secular Jews, or Hiloni. A majority here, where I live.

[Napkiraly]

I don't have a problem with the Jewish people. Dated a Jewish girl once as well, gotta say you guys have some awesome traditions.

I support Israel's right to exist, but I'm not a fan of the current government or the West Bank settlements.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I've seen some people use antisemitism when talking about Jewish oppression. But that's not all antisemitism means. Semitic/Semitism has to do with culture/language relating to the Middle East and/or Eastern Motherland. So to be 'antisemitic/antisemitism' is being against Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs and East Africans. Not just being against Jews. That's anti-Judaism.

[Jetan]

I've seen some people use antisemitism when talking about Jewish oppression. But that's not all antisemitism means. Semitic/Semitism has to do with culture/language relating to the Middle East and/or Eastern Motherland. So to be 'antisemitic/antisemitism' is being against Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs and East Africans. Not just being against Jews. That's anti-Judaism.

Nope.

The root word Semite gives the false impression that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic people. However, the compound word antisemite was popularized in Germany in 1879 as a scientific-sounding term for Judenhass (Jew-hatred), and that has been its common use since then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well, I think I've never met a Jew in the States who was truly uncomfortable with being Jewish in this country. If you're truly worried about persecution, I recommend getting active in the local community.
On Isreal, I will condemn it till the end of days

Even if there's peace you'll condemn us? Why?

Because it's based on the ridiculous notion that because your ancestors lived there a fuck ton years ago, you're allowed to kick people out of their homes.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I've seen some people use antisemitism when talking about Jewish oppression. But that's not all antisemitism means. Semitic/Semitism has to do with culture/language relating to the Middle East and/or Eastern Motherland. So to be 'antisemitic/antisemitism' is being against Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs and East Africans. Not just being against Jews. That's anti-Judaism.

Nope.

The root word Semite gives the false impression that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic people. However, the compound word antisemite was popularized in Germany in 1879 as a scientific-sounding term for Judenhass (Jew-hatred), and that has been its common use since then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

Then shouldn't we be using 'Judenhass' to be more accurate?

[Jetan]

Nope.

The root word Semite gives the false impression that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic people. However, the compound word antisemite was popularized in Germany in 1879 as a scientific-sounding term for Judenhass (Jew-hatred), and that has been its common use since then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

Then shouldn't we be using 'Judenhass' to be more accurate?

Maybe once upon a time but I'd say almost a century and a half is plenty time for a word to be accepted as the default even if it didn't start out as one.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Then shouldn't we be using 'Judenhass' to be more accurate?

Maybe once upon a time but I'd say almost a century and a half is plenty time for a word to be accepted as the default even if it didn't start out as one.

Hm. I'd still want to be more accurate though.

[Napkiraly]

Maybe once upon a time but I'd say almost a century and a half is plenty time for a word to be accepted as the default even if it didn't start out as one.

Hm. I'd still want to be more accurate though.

I don't see the issue with continuing to use it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Hm. I'd still want to be more accurate though.

I don't see the issue with continuing to use it.

I'm fine with people using it, I just think it's culturally incorrect to use the term just to relate to Jewish people. When you look up 'Semitic', you'll get a very different term than 'of relating to Jews'.

[Traditionalism]

I don't like Jews because they almost always associate themselves with Marxists or Socialists, liberalism and feminism all that crap. Israeli Jews are fine, and the ancient Hebrews of the bible were based. Especially that Terminator Samson guy.

[Sichem]

Even if there's peace you'll condemn us? Why?

Because it's based on the ridiculous notion that because your ancestors lived there a fuck ton years ago, you're allowed to kick people out of their homes.

k.

[Vaticantopia]

We don't really have many Jewish people in Australia (at least not where I live, anyway), so I've never really had a an opinion on Jews. It's just another religion to me, so I'm pretty indifferent. That said, I am aware of the history of anti-semitism in Europe, the US, the Middle East etc.

When it comes to Israel, I believe there is no ideal solution that's 100% fair and perfect for all parties, but I feel that a two-state solution is the most realistically fair and just option. Even though Israel was established on Palestinian land, you can't just uproot an entire naiton of people and dump them somewhere else (that's why we're in this mess in the first place). I think that the Israeli Government (and I want to be clear here, I'm talking about the government of Israel and its policies, not the Israeli people and certainly not Jewish people as a whole) needs to stop being so hostile to Palestinians - yes Hamas is attacking Israel, but we know for a fact that the Israeli government attacks civillian targets, and honestly there's nothing stopping them from taking the moral high ground and stopping and calling for a ceasefire and opening peace talks that could lead to a more permanent, peaceful and stable solution.

What makes you think Hamas will stop bombing Israel? Even if Israel does stop retaliating, Hamas doesn't care. They've made it abundantly clear that they will stop at nothing to destroy Israel. If they'd put as much effort into negotiations as they did into sneaking suicide bombers into Israeli cities then Israel might want to settle down. But at the moment, Israel is just trying to defend itself (and it's impossible for there not to be civilian casualties, there's only so much you can prevent when a terrorist organization that shoots missiles at your people sets up shop inside of an elementary school)

[El-Amin Caliphate]

We don't really have many Jewish people in Australia (at least not where I live, anyway), so I've never really had a an opinion on Jews. It's just another religion to me, so I'm pretty indifferent. That said, I am aware of the history of anti-semitism in Europe, the US, the Middle East etc.

When it comes to Israel, I believe there is no ideal solution that's 100% fair and perfect for all parties, but I feel that a two-state solution is the most realistically fair and just option. Even though Israel was established on Palestinian land, you can't just uproot an entire naiton of people and dump them somewhere else (that's why we're in this mess in the first place). I think that the Israeli Government (and I want to be clear here, I'm talking about the government of Israel and its policies, not the Israeli people and certainly not Jewish people as a whole) needs to stop being so hostile to Palestinians - yes Hamas is attacking Israel, but we know for a fact that the Israeli government attacks civillian targets, and honestly there's nothing stopping them from taking the moral high ground and stopping and calling for a ceasefire and opening peace talks that could lead to a more permanent, peaceful and stable solution.

What makes you think Hamas will stop bombing Israel? Even if Israel does stop retaliating, Hamas doesn't care. They've made it abundantly clear that they will stop at nothing to destroy Israel. If they'd put as much effort into negotiations as they did into sneaking suicide bombers into Israeli cities then Israel might want to settle down. But at the moment, Israel is just trying to defend itself (and it's impossible for there not to be civilian casualties, there's only so much you can prevent when a terrorist organization that shoots missiles at your people sets up shop inside of an elementary school)

I don't think your defending yourself when Israel deprives Palestinians of their land, starves them by stealing farmland, taking down homes, etc.

[Traditionalism]

What makes you think Hamas will stop bombing Israel? Even if Israel does stop retaliating, Hamas doesn't care. They've made it abundantly clear that they will stop at nothing to destroy Israel. If they'd put as much effort into negotiations as they did into sneaking suicide bombers into Israeli cities then Israel might want to settle down. But at the moment, Israel is just trying to defend itself (and it's impossible for there not to be civilian casualties, there's only so much you can prevent when a terrorist organization that shoots missiles at your people sets up shop inside of an elementary school)

I don't think your defending yourself when Israel deprives Palestinians of their land, starves them by stealing farmland, taking down homes, etc.

There's literally nothing wrong with that. Israel has a divine mandate to be in that land, and their Storm of Steel is perfectly justified.

[Jetan]

I don't think your defending yourself when Israel deprives Palestinians of their land, starves them by stealing farmland, taking down homes, etc.

There's literally nothing wrong with that. Israel has a divine mandate to be in that land, and their Storm of Steel is perfectly justified.

Bullshit. "Divine" mandates do not exist.

[Spiffier]

I don't think your defending yourself when Israel deprives Palestinians of their land, starves them by stealing farmland, taking down homes, etc.

There's literally nothing wrong with that. Israel has a divine mandate to be in that land, and their Storm of Steel is perfectly justified.

Pharisees don't have any mandate for Israel, Israel is the Church.

[Traditionalism]

There's literally nothing wrong with that. Israel has a divine mandate to be in that land, and their Storm of Steel is perfectly justified.

Bullshit. "Divine" mandates do not exist.

Not to you. There, our fundamental differences have been established and now you know there's no way religion can coexist with the west.

Holy War Now.