White privilege

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

OH my gurd SJ fuckin W's

[Hyfling]

Sturp.

[New Calaradia]

No but there is black privilege.

[Vassenor]

No but there is black privilege.

Explain.

[Crurnlark]

It is gradually going to disappear depending on how far into a minority Whites shrink to. But for now, it is coming down from a peak slow enough to ensure that it has some life expectancy left.

So what end-game are you seeing with that? Enough people with mixed race parents not affiliating with a race to throw all races into minority, or do you think another race would take the majority?

[Saiwania]

So what end-game are you seeing with that? Enough people with mixed race parents not affiliating with a race to throw all races into minority, or do you think another race would take the majority?

I think the Latinos' time will come so far as the US is concerned. Native Americans aren't getting anywhere, Blacks aren't getting anywhere (barring some massive immigration from Africa), Asians could rise to second place or to the top (if there is massive immigration from say- India), Whites will be declining, perhaps permanently to my great despair.

[Big Jim P]

"White privilege" is just another way for people to blame others for their own failures, no different from poor, white people blaming blacks for theirs. Both are racist bullshit.

[Crurnlark]

I think the Latinos' time will come so far as the US is concerned. Native Americans aren't getting anywhere, Blacks aren't getting anywhere (barring some massive immigration from Africa), Asians could rise to second place or to the top (if there is massive immigration from say- India), Whites will be declining, perhaps permanently to my great despair.

Didn't think about it that way. I think that racial mixing will become the new national pastime (baseball was overrated, anyway), and eventually our descendants would all be within a few shades of eachother. With globalization and ethno-nationalism's fall from grace in the late last century, I'd say that would be nearly inevitable.

And wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where nobody has to work at getting a tan?

[Tyrania Drei]

I suppose I will start with a thesis: I think that the concept of White privilege, as presented in the media, and pushed by mostly black agitators, is greatly overblown. I am speaking about the United States here, specifically, as it is the country I am most familiar with. I am also making an assumption that the term White privilege here is used to describe the socio-economic advantage that Whites hold over Blacks in particular as this seems to be the context in which this term is most frequently used.

Various metrics show that Blacks in the United States are struggling with educational underachievement, joblessness, broken families (absent fathers), poverty, substance abuse, crime, and violence - just to name the major afflictions. The question remains though whether these problems result from White privilege conspiring in keeping Black people in such downtrodden state. A closer look at the situation strongly suggests that this is NOT the case.

In order to provide arguments to back up the position, let's look for signs of systemic racism, which would be the most plausible culprit responsible for dysfunction not just among some individuals, but entire communities. First, let's take a look at the legal system. The law books are colorblind. Segregationist, unfair laws have been done away with comprehensively and the enforcement of law, while of course not perfect, is at least reasonably effective and impartial. The only "racist" laws left on the books are those pertaining to affirmative action, but they actually work AGAINST the White majority, albeit in a fairly small way.

Statistics show very clearly that Black people commit a disproportionately high number of crimes, and are therefore far more likely to be incarcerated. There are voices which say that Blacks are over-policed, but that is a weak argument. The proof is in the pudding; few people are afraid to wander through a predominantly white neighborhood, while many are reluctant to hang around in black neighborhoods. And for a good reason. Self-preservation instinct trumps political correctness when ones skin is on the line. Domestic violence frequency in black households is appallingly high, and so is homicide rate. Those who promote the idea of rampant White privilege and racism, frequently talk about Black people being gunned-down in the streets. What they are "forgetting" to add is that 9 times out of 10, the shooter is also Black. Somehow the art of peaceful conflict resolution eludes Black communities. Of course the police eventually steps in and restores order, but how can one expect that children who grow up among such dysfunction, will not exhibit similar behavior patterns themselves.

Then we have the poor economic situation of Blacks, which stems primarily from a lack of education and professional qualifications. Employers cannot be forced to hire sub-standard employees without doing untold damage to the economy so it is something that cannot be corrected through legislation. It can only be fixed if Black people pull themselves by the bootstraps and start a path of self-improvement. Treating education as a necessity and a great commodity would be a great start. All too often, black children have a lackadaisical, "so what" attitude to school work, seeing it as a White man's folly that should be avoided. Absent fathers in about three-quarters of Black households certainly do not help in instilling proper values.

This is getting too long, so I will not dwell on all of the reasons as to why the problems plaguing Black communities are self-inflicted rather than a result of White privilege. To provide just one other solid piece of evidence: look no further than at East Asian and sub-continent Indian minorities in the United States. Not only are they doing fine among the supposedly segregationist/racist White devils, but they positively thrive. Their income levels are on par or better than those of Whites, they form stable family units, excel in education, hold good jobs, run businesses, commit few crimes, and somehow are able to avoid all the afflictions that run rampant in Black communities. So there is direct evidence that it's very much possible to be non-White, culturally separate, have funny sounding name and accents, and still succeed just as well as Whites.

[Vaticantopia]

I suppose I will start with a thesis: I think that the concept of White privilege, as presented in the media, and pushed by mostly black agitators, is greatly overblown. I am speaking about the United States here, specifically, as it is the country I am most familiar with. I am also making an assumption that the term White privilege here is used to describe the socio-economic advantage that Whites hold over Blacks in particular as this seems to be the context in which this term is most frequently used.

Various metrics show that Blacks in the United States are struggling with educational underachievement, joblessness, broken families (absent fathers), poverty, substance abuse, crime, and violence - just to name the major afflictions. The question remains though whether these problems result from White privilege conspiring in keeping Black people in such downtrodden state. A closer look at the situation strongly suggests that this is NOT the case.

In order to provide arguments to back up the position, let's look for signs of systemic racism, which would be the most plausible culprit responsible for dysfunction not just among some individuals, but entire communities. First, let's take a look at the legal system. The law books are colorblind. Segregationist, unfair laws have been done away with comprehensively and the enforcement of law, while of course not perfect, is at least reasonably effective and impartial. The only "racist" laws left on the books are those pertaining to affirmative action, but they actually work AGAINST the White majority, albeit in a fairly small way.
Damn dude, nice first post, and some very good points.

Statistics show very clearly that Black people commit a disproportionately high number of crimes, and are therefore far more likely to be incarcerated. There are voices which say that Blacks are over-policed, but that is a weak argument. The proof is in the pudding; few people are afraid to wander through a predominantly white neighborhood, while many are reluctant to hang around in black neighborhoods. And for a good reason. Self-preservation instinct trumps political correctness when ones skin is on the line. Domestic violence frequency in black households is appallingly high, and so is homicide rate. Those who promote the idea of rampant White privilege and racism, frequently talk about Black people being gunned-down in the streets. What they are "forgetting" to add is that 9 times out of 10, the shooter is also Black. Somehow the art of peaceful conflict resolution eludes Black communities. Of course the police eventually steps in and restores order, but how can one expect that children who grow up among such dysfunction, will not exhibit similar behavior patterns themselves.

Then we have the poor economic situation of Blacks, which stems primarily from a lack of education and professional qualifications. Employers cannot be forced to hire sub-standard employees without doing untold damage to the economy so it is something that cannot be corrected through legislation. It can only be fixed if Black people pull themselves by the bootstraps and start a path of self-improvement. Treating education as a necessity and a great commodity would be a great start. All too often, black children have a lackadaisical, "so what" attitude to school work, seeing it as a White man's folly that should be avoided. Absent fathers in about three-quarters of Black households certainly do not help in instilling proper values.

This is getting too long, so I will not dwell on all of the reasons as to why the problems plaguing Black communities are self-inflicted rather than a result of White privilege. To provide just one other solid piece of evidence: look no further than at East Asian and sub-continent Indian minorities in the United States. Not only are they doing fine among the supposedly segregationist/racist White devils, but they positively thrive. Their income levels are on par or better than those of Whites, they form stable family units, excel in education, hold good jobs, run businesses, commit few crimes, and somehow are able to avoid all the afflictions that run rampant in Black communities. So there is direct evidence that it's very much possible to be non-White, culturally separate, have funny sounding name and accents, and still succeed just as well as Whites.

[Vaticantopia]

Damn, nice first post, and some very good points

[Tyrania Drei]

Damn, nice first post, and some very good points

Thanks

[Crurnlark]

-snip-

Yes, the letter of the law has come down from its racist overtones, but it is still enforced and interpreted by humans with their own agendas. And I believe you are must have misread the opposing arguments, they're arguing that blacks aren't just arrested in disproportionate amounts for their segment of the population, they are also arrested in amounts disproportionate to the amount of crime they participate in.

[Liriena]

-snip-

Yes, the letter of the law has come down from its racist overtones, but it is still enforced and interpreted by humans with their own agendas. And I believe you are must have misread the opposing arguments, they're arguing that blacks aren't just arrested in disproportionate amounts for their segment of the population, they are also arrested in amounts disproportionate to the amount of crime they participate in.

The use of the term "black agitators" already raised a red flag for me, so I was not entirely unprepared for the "affirmative action is 'racist'" cliché.

The whole of Tyrania Dei's post, while well redacted, ultimately reads like a checklist of the same old arguments of dubious legitimacy that have been wielded for years by conservative pundits to negate the existence of racism in contemporary American society.

[Crurnlark]

The use of the term "black agitators" already raised a red flag for me, so I was not entirely unprepared for the "affirmative action is 'racist'" cliché.

The whole of Tyrania Dei's post, while well redacted, ultimately reads like a checklist of the same old arguments of dubious legitimacy that have been wielded for years by conservative pundits to negate the existence of racism in contemporary American society.

It confuses me, blaming the people who attempt to bring something to our attention for the problem they discuss. It's that sort of 'shoot the messenger' logic that really turns me off from any other viewpoints on this issue.

[Tyrania Drei]

-snip-

Yes, the letter of the law has come down from its racist overtones, but it is still enforced and interpreted by humans with their own agendas. And I believe you are must have misread the opposing arguments, they're arguing that blacks aren't just arrested in disproportionate amounts for their segment of the population, they are also arrested in amounts disproportionate to the amount of crime they participate in.

Yes, I've heard that argument too, but I am not buying it. Supposedly Blacks are arrested far more frequently for various minor crimes, while Whites are more often given a pass. I have a hard time believing that because of one solid piece of evidence: homicide rate. Murder is the crime of the most serious gravity, it cannot be swept under the rug as there is a dead body lying around, and no community is willing to tolerate anything less than a thorough investigation of it.

Blacks commit murder at several times the rate of Whites and Asians. If Blacks are capable of committing the most serious of crimes in undeniably greater numbers, then I fail to see any plausible reason why they would abstain from committing lesser crimes in similarly disproportionate numbers. It just doesn't add up. It's possible that Black communities are policed more than White neighborhoods, but is that really so surprising? The police patrols go where crimes are likely to be committed. They are called in to intervene where crime does happen. And it happens, predominantly, in Black neighborhoods.

I've lived in a mostly White, affluent city of about 120K for the past few years. There are plenty of police patrols around, but they simply have nothing to do, other than to issue an occasional traffic ticket. There has been all of one murder in the past 5 years, and both the victim and perpetrator were Latinos. Whites don't have any systemic privilege when it comes to the law. They just abide by it.

[Saiwania]

Didn't think about it that way. I think that racial mixing will become the new national pastime, and eventually our descendants would all be within a few shades of each other.

If that were really the case, which mixes do you anticipate as being the most common in the US? I've noticed that so far as interracial trends go, everyone is more or less avoiding the Black women for whatever reason, even the Black men.