School Fees- High Enough for Intervention?

[The Black Forrest]

Better check the salaries of those in charge.

I am not sure of the average, but I know the salary of my headmaster.

What's he make?

[The Nihilistic view]

They don't exist. They are run as educational charities.

Better check the salaries of those in charge.

? I don't even. They don't have shareholders. How does wages come into this?

[Moctina]

I am not sure of the average, but I know the salary of my headmaster.

What's he make?

£200,000-£250,000 annually. My parents are on the board of governors.

[The Black Forrest]

Better check the salaries of those in charge.

? I don't even. They don't have shareholders. How does wages come into this?

Corruption happens in charities as well as education.

[Ashmoria]

well...

where is this extra money going? if its to the teachers then NO you shouldn't cap fees. if it goes as profit to shareholders then perhaps you ought to start thinking about it.

They don't exist. They are run as educational charities.

fine but the question is WHERE IS THE EXTRA MONEY GOING?

if it is justifiable expenses then capping fees would hurt the schools educational mission.

[The Black Forrest]

What's he make?

£200,000-£250,000 annually. My parents are on the board of governors.

Private right?

As long as he earns it. Some think they deserve it simply because they warm a seat.

[Ashmoria]

Better check the salaries of those in charge.

? I don't even. They don't have shareholders. How does wages come into this?

the money has to go SOMEWHERE

[Ashmoria]

What's he make?

£200,000-£250,000 annually. My parents are on the board of governors.

how big is the school?

[The Nihilistic view]

? I don't even. They don't have shareholders. How does wages come into this?

Corruption happens in charities as well as education.

How does that even relate to a charity registering a profit?

[Moctina]

£200,000-£250,000 annually. My parents are on the board of governors.

Private right?

As long as he earns it. Some think they deserve it simply because they warm a seat.

Private/independent, yes.
And I have to say, he is respected massively by the students. If there is a problem, he will deal with it- the sort of headmaster who would put the school first.

£200,000-£250,000 annually. My parents are on the board of governors.

how big is the school?

I am not too sure. A few hundred students, I should say, although I don't know the exact figures, shamefully. Enough to turn out a good profit.

[The Black Forrest]

Corruption happens in charities as well as education.

How does that even relate to a charity registering a profit?

A profit driven charity?

[The Nihilistic view]

They don't exist. They are run as educational charities.

fine but the question is WHERE IS THE EXTRA MONEY GOING?

if it is justifiable expenses then capping fees would hurt the schools educational mission.

Mostly new buildings, most bigger private schools have had large building projects the last 15 years. Most don't have the trusts to pay for these so they need fees and donations from old boys/girls to build. Longer term a total transformation, back in my dad's day they were horible places. Very spartan with little comforts and the facilities were not the best on offer. They were mostly not any better than the state system and in many cases worse overall. They mostly lived off the status they gave and the old boys networks. They were not always the best places to send your child. This is why they were relatively cheap. I would say from the 80s the quality has increased and a recent boom in facilities has caused the fee rises. Along with the increasing price on energy from the 00s (back in 2009 my econ teacher told me the school's bill for heating etc was nearly 4 million pounds when we were talking about the oil price) Most teachers are not paid much more than in state schools. Same is true with heads now academies have come along. A few get loads most don't get the headline figures. All gone to improving the schools really, providing the things they do costs a lot of money.

[Ashmoria]

fine but the question is WHERE IS THE EXTRA MONEY GOING?

if it is justifiable expenses then capping fees would hurt the schools educational mission.

Mostly new buildings, most bigger private schools have had large building projects the last 15 years. Most don't have the trusts to pay for these so they need fees and donations from old boys/girls to build. Longer term a total transformation, back in my dad's day they were horible places. Very spartan with little comforts and the facilities were not the best on offer. They were mostly not any better than the state system and in many cases worse overall. They mostly lived off the status they gave and the old boys networks. They were not alwys the best places to send your child. This they were relatively cheap. I would say from the 80s the quality has increased and anrecent boom in facilities has caused the fee rises. Along with the increasing price on energy from the 00s (back in 2009 my econ teacher told me the school's bill for heating etc was nearly 4 million pounds when we were talking about the oil price) Most teachers are not paid much more than in state schools. Same is true with heads now academies have come along. A few get loads most don't get the headline figures. All gone to improving the schools really, providing the things they do costs a lot of money.

doesn't that mean they have to keep fees high enough to pay for what they have already spent?

[Ashmoria]

Private right?

As long as he earns it. Some think they deserve it simply because they warm a seat.

Private/independent, yes.
And I have to say, he is respected massively by the students. If there is a problem, he will deal with it- the sort of headmaster who would put the school first.

how big is the school?

I am not too sure. A few hundred students, I should say, although I don't know the exact figures, shamefully. Enough to turn out a good profit.

wow that's crazy high money. what does an equivalent job in the state run schools get?

[Moctina]

fine but the question is WHERE IS THE EXTRA MONEY GOING?

if it is justifiable expenses then capping fees would hurt the schools educational mission.

Mostly new buildings, most bigger private schools have had large building projects the last 15 years. Most don't have the trusts to pay for these so they need fees and donations from old boys/girls to build. Longer term a total transformation, back in my dad's day they were horible places. Very spartan with little comforts and the facilities were not the best on offer. They were mostly not any better than the state system and in many cases worse overall. They mostly lived off the status they gave and the old boys networks. They were not alwys the best places to send your child. This they were relatively cheap. I would say from the 80s the quality has increased and anrecent boom in facilities has caused the fee rises. Along with the increasing price on energy from the 00s (back in 2009 my econ teacher told me the school's bill for heating etc was nearly 4 million pounds when we were talking about the oil price) Most teachers are not paid much more than in state schools. Same is true with heads now academies have come along. A few get loads most don't get the headline figures. All gone to improving the schools really, providing the things they do costs a lot of money.

Very true.
My school recently invested in a new accommodation project worth millions. The money has to come from somewhere.

[Novorobo]

Or you could outlaw private schools altogether. Capitalism should have no place in education anyway.

[Moctina]

Or you could outlaw private schools altogether. Capitalism should have no place in education anyway.

What a ridiculous suggestion.
Why shouldn't superb education be offered to people willing to pay? Why restrict everybody to an overcrowded state system which would not be able to cope? Why destroy freedoms in pursuit of this arrant nonsense?

[Novorobo]

Or you could outlaw private schools altogether. Capitalism should have no place in education anyway.

What a ridiculous suggestion.
Why shouldn't superb education be offered to people willing to pay? Why restrict everybody to an overcrowded state system which would not be able to cope? Why destroy freedoms in pursuit of this arrant nonsense?

1. Education shouldn't be a function of ability to pay.

2. So that maybe the rich will have some incentive to help fix that system.

3. Like what, the "freedom" of the rich to keep stacking the deck against the poor? I'd rather we give the poor the freedom to climb the social ladder myself.

[Moctina]

What a ridiculous suggestion.
Why shouldn't superb education be offered to people willing to pay? Why restrict everybody to an overcrowded state system which would not be able to cope? Why destroy freedoms in pursuit of this arrant nonsense?

1. Education shouldn't be a function of ability to pay.

2. So that maybe the rich will have some incentive to help fix that system.

3. Like what, the "freedom" of the rich to keep stacking the deck against the poor? I'd rather we give the poor the freedom to climb the social ladder myself.

This is envy- pure and simple.
'If I can't have it, why should he'.
A very dangerous attitude, and one which is making some success in UK politics.

[The Nihilistic view]

Or you could outlaw private schools altogether. Capitalism should have no place in education anyway.

Educational charity. Much capitalism, such profits.

[Valaran]

How does that even relate to a charity registering a profit?

A profit driven charity?

Pretty nonsensical when you look at it, huh?

[Greed and Death]

Cricket is a sport, yes, as with every school in the country!

Yes, but the sport is dominated by those who were educated privatley.

UK private school grades are solely based off of Cricket.

[Novorobo]

1. Education shouldn't be a function of ability to pay.

2. So that maybe the rich will have some incentive to help fix that system.

3. Like what, the "freedom" of the rich to keep stacking the deck against the poor? I'd rather we give the poor the freedom to climb the social ladder myself.

This is envy- pure and simple.
'If I can't have it, why should he'.
A very dangerous attitude, and one which is making some success in UK politics.

I already mentioned that maybe the rich will have some incentive to help fix that system. Apparently, you didn't feel particularly inclined to address that point.

This mere assertion that this limit on capitalism is always about envy only serves to discredit those making it. It's one thing to doubt people are honest about their motives; I doubt it all the time; but it's another to pretend that you would know what they are. Who do you think you are?

By the way, this attitude, apart from not being about envy, isn't just making success in the UK. Canada's Justin Trudeau got elected on a tax-the-rich, slash-middle-class-taxes platform. America's Democrats came close to nominating Bernie Sanders, and might have done so had Hillary Clinton not embraced Sanders-esque ideas partway through. Even the Republicans are supporting the guy who emphasizes racism more, and capitalism less, than, let's say, Marco Rubio. (EDIT: Yes, I know Trump is a businessman. But his anti-trade, high-tariff ideas aren't as capitalistic as those of the average Republican candidate.)

[Wolfmanne2]

Private schools are overrated. You'll have more fun in a state school and if you're smart you'll feel more proud that it was your own effort rather than Daddy's money that got you through school.

No, the government shouldn't intervene in private education fees. It should invest in the public education system. I do think in order to maintain their charitable status private schools need to be more active in the community, particularly in relation to other schools - for instance, letting them have access to their sporting facilities.

Or you could outlaw private schools altogether. Capitalism should have no place in education anyway.

Nor shouldn't we attack parental choice on the basis of the ever-so envious 'it's not fair'.

[Old Stephania]

I guess it depends, the average fee seems to be insane but if I had children the school they would go to seems to charge "only" £3,460 per year for years 7-13. That seems fair enough to me if the quality of education is as good as I have heard and the school doesn't surprise you with lots of hidden fees.