School Fees- High Enough for Intervention?

[Novorobo]

Private schools are overrated. You'll have more fun in a state school and if you're smart you'll feel more proud that it was your own effort rather than Daddy's money that got you through school.

No, the government shouldn't intervene in private education fees. It should invest in the public education system. I do think in order to maintain their charitable status private schools need to be more active in the community, particularly in relation to other schools - for instance, letting them have access to their sporting facilities.

Or you could outlaw private schools altogether. Capitalism should have no place in education anyway.

Nor shouldn't we attack parental choice on the basis of the ever-so envious 'it's not fair'.

Being that this isn't my argument, your rebuttal has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[The Nihilistic view]

I guess it depends, the average fee seems to be insane but if I had children the school they would go to seems to charge "only" £3,460 per year for years 7-13. That seems fair enough to me if the quality of education is as good as I have heard and the school doesn't surprise you with lots of hidden fees.

Depends on the school and how good the bursar is. Some never have any others try it on with textbooks. I think they try it because whilst some people pay attention, complain and get them taken off. Others don't and just pay whatever maybe their accountant does it for them or something?

The more expensive the school the more likely they are to try it on probably.

[Imperializt Russia]

The appropriate fee level is an arbitrary figure. If the government were to intervene, what figure should they set? What is right for one schools is not right for another.

I must also say that, as far as education in the UK goes, this is something of a niche issue, compared to much wider failings.

Like how we now saddle our undergraduates with more debt than even the Americans, on average.
That's a catastrophic failing.

We used to have actually literally free university education. How far we have fallen.

[The Liberated Territories]

The high prices of private school fees are partially a result of the government monopoly on public education crowding out these types of private goods. More intervention into the matter is only likely to raise the prices higher, and make private schools more elite than they already are. On the other hand, private schools in developing countries like Africa are typically dirt cheapin proportion to the goods they provide.

[Imperializt Russia]

The high prices of private school fees are partially a result of the government monopoly on public education crowding out these types of private goods. More intervention into the matter is only likely to raise the prices higher, and make private schools more elite than they already are. On the other hand, private schools in developing countries like Africa are typically dirt cheapin proportion to the goods they provide.

Because Africa is not like the west.

This is an area not served by state schooling for whatever reason. There is no alternative there.

[The Liberated Territories]

The high prices of private school fees are partially a result of the government monopoly on public education crowding out these types of private goods. More intervention into the matter is only likely to raise the prices higher, and make private schools more elite than they already are. On the other hand, private schools in developing countries like Africa are typically dirt cheapin proportion to the goods they provide.

Because Africa is not like the west.

This is an area not served by state schooling for whatever reason. There is no alternative there.

Alright then, why is Africa not like the West in which the West cannot provide a cheaper method of private education?

[Imperializt Russia]

Because unlike Africa, the West has been able to provide state education for basically all its children. Functionally, at no cost.

Private education in the west exists for those who, for whatever reason, don't want their children to receive state schooling. Most countries permit home schooling.

[Moctina]

I guess it depends, the average fee seems to be insane but if I had children the school they would go to seems to charge "only" £3,460 per year for years 7-13. That seems fair enough to me if the quality of education is as good as I have heard and the school doesn't surprise you with lots of hidden fees.

It can range from £10,000 (or around that sum) for a preparatory school, to £50,000 for a good boarding school, such as Eton, or Harrow.

[Imperializt Russia]

You seem to think that preparatory schools are a specific level of education, but I'm pretty sure I have a local prep school that is 3-17, mixed-sex and offers board.

[Moctina]

You seem to think that preparatory schools are a specific level of education, but I'm pretty sure I have a local prep school that is 3-17, mixed-sex and offers board.

I am speaking in general.
In my experience, they are very much like primary schools, but, of course, there are many, many exceptions.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think you're right, actually looking up this school, it is a 2-18 school but has multiple levels of education, including prep and pre-prep.

[Moctina]

I think you're right, actually looking up this school, it is a 2-18 school but has multiple levels of education, including prep and pre-prep.

Yes, that is also very common.
Certainly in my Prep school, it dealt with nursery children to Sixth Year (12).

[Socialist Tera]

I think Private Schools should be outlawed. They give too much of an advantage to richer families. Private Schools steal all the good teachers.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think Private Schools should be outlawed. They give too much of an advantage to richer families. Private Schools steal all the good teachers.

You could say that about every industry.

[Moctina]

I think Private Schools should be outlawed. They give too much of an advantage to richer families. Private Schools steal all the good teachers.

Laughable, envious nonsense.
If people want a better education, and then can afford it, they should be allowed to pay. The idea that they should be outlawed because you can't afford it is classicism.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think Private Schools should be outlawed. They give too much of an advantage to richer families. Private Schools steal all the good teachers.

Laughable, envious nonsense.
If people want a better education, and then can afford it, they should be allowed to pay. The idea that they should be outlawed because you can't afford it is classicism.

Well no, because the suggestion is an attempt to remove class advantage.

It is more classist to suggest that we should continue or expand with private education.

[Socialist Tera]

I think Private Schools should be outlawed. They give too much of an advantage to richer families. Private Schools steal all the good teachers.

Laughable, envious nonsense.
If people want a better education, and then can afford it, they should be allowed to pay. The idea that they should be outlawed because you can't afford it is classicism.

It ensures people can't move up classes. When was the last time a rich person moved down a class. Everyone should get the same opportunity.

Laughable, envious nonsense.
If people want a better education, and then can afford it, they should be allowed to pay. The idea that they should be outlawed because you can't afford it is classicism.

Well no, because the suggestion is an attempt to remove class advantage.

It is more classist to suggest that we should continue or expand with private education.

He will claim it is classist to the rich...

I think Private Schools should be outlawed. They give too much of an advantage to richer families. Private Schools steal all the good teachers.

You could say that about every industry.

You can but education determine where you are going to end up in life. You need to give everyone the same opportunity. Each to their ability each to their needs.

[Moctina]

Laughable, envious nonsense.
If people want a better education, and then can afford it, they should be allowed to pay. The idea that they should be outlawed because you can't afford it is classicism.

Well no, because the suggestion is an attempt to remove class advantage.

It is more classist to suggest that we should continue or expand with private education.

Why?
It is classist to want to remove a system because other people an afford it.

[Socialist Tera]

Well no, because the suggestion is an attempt to remove class advantage.

It is more classist to suggest that we should continue or expand with private education.

Why?
It is classist to want to remove a system because other people an afford it.

That system ensures a lower quality education for people of lower incomes.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well no, because the suggestion is an attempt to remove class advantage.

It is more classist to suggest that we should continue or expand with private education.

Why?
It is classist to want to remove a system because other people an afford it.

The only way it could possibly be considered "classist" is if we take "classist" to mean "acknowledges that certain societal classes are advantages over others".

[Old Stephania]

I think Private Schools should be outlawed. They give too much of an advantage to richer families. Private Schools steal all the good teachers.

Is this really the case? I have known some very brilliant state school teachers in my time as well as some awful ones, but I can say the same about the small sample of private school teachers I have encountered. I'd be very interested to see some actual statistics on this.

[Moctina]

Why?
It is classist to want to remove a system because other people an afford it.

That system ensures a lower quality education for people of lower incomes.

Total envious nonsense.
If private schools are outlawed, then there will be three main effects; even fewer school spaces than there already are, teachers who will move as the salaries in the state sector are smaller than the private sector (even if it is just a small gap,) and restrictions on all private enterprise, including healthcare, in this country. Freedoms will be ignored.

[Valaran]

Like how we now saddle our undergraduates with more debt than even the Americans, on average.
That's a catastrophic failing.

We used to have actually literally free university education. How far we have fallen.

Yeah, university fees are a much greater matter.

[Moctina]

Like how we now saddle our undergraduates with more debt than even the Americans, on average.
That's a catastrophic failing.

We used to have actually literally free university education. How far we have fallen.

Yeah, university fees are a much greater matter.

But we are very generous in this country in terms of student loans.
It is a problem, but I wouldn't call it a 'greater matter', certainly not nationally.

[Valaran]

But we are very generous in this country in terms of student loans.

A loan is a loan. 'Generous' debt is still debt that you have to find some way of paying off.

Moreover, I have never met a student who thought they could survive on just the loan. In my uni, it doesn't cover the fees, let alone accommodation, transport and living costs (and this is London, so all of those are very high).

It is a problem, but I wouldn't call it a 'greater matter', certainly not nationally.

I understand that you haven't been to university yet, but let me tell you, people are utterly fixated by this issue. Days are counted until one gets the next installment of their loan, and there is constant worry of how they will pay it back, how will survive day to day in some cases. And this is not isolated, by any means. This is the case for the vast majority of student's I've met and study and socialise with.

Taking a step back, and looking at it from a detached viewpoint, it significantly depresses consumption of the next generation. Debt burdens means they can't buys houses sooner, can't get financial security sooner, and changes what people do, and not for the better.. In other words, it distorts the Labour market, heavily burdens the next generation, and stifles both academic development and, in some ways, economic development, in both the the short and medium and even the long term. I have considerable issues with the previous system, and nearly all proposed solutions, not to mention there are many benefits to the current system, but there is no denying that there it has caused significant issues for students.