Brittish MP wanted to 'relocate Israel to North America'

[Napkiraly]

I mean this is the shit that gets Geert Wilders in trouble. He suggests more or less the same thing for Muslims in Europe, that they be paid to move some place where "they would belong" or some such.

There are a number of valid differences that can be drawn between the two.

But no, it's not good.

If you get into details, yes. But more or less, it's the same type of cleansing on more or less the same sort of justifications.

[Ravenflight]

It should located but NSG style so it needs to carried by 4 black helicopters then dropped in Kansas somewhere.

[HMS Vanguard]

It's only going to end with the deportation of one or the other side.

Israel is in a silly location, making it in some ways the more attractive candidate, but it is also in possession and much stronger than the Arabs, making it the less attractive candidate.

Deporting the Israelis to the US would probably be the best solution if we can wave a wand and have it be done, but deporting the Arabs into other Arab countries is much more practical.

[Alvecia]

I think you'll have a bloody hard time trying to fit it past the Strait of Gibraltar.

Could we widen the Suez Canal?

It'll probably cost another 20,000 ducats at least.

[Ifreann]

Could we widen the Suez Canal?

It'll probably cost another 20,000 ducats at least.

Eh, take out a few loans, no problem.

[Archbishop Cranmer]

A more accurate title would be; "British MP wanted to 'relocate FAKE zionist Israel to North America".

The universal church of all Christian believers is the new Israel, not the Jews.

http://www.antiochian.org/Orthodox_Chur ... Israel.htm

[Zoice]

It isn't ethnic cleansing

Actually it is. While Israel's own crimes are terrible, the solution isn't to ethnically cleanse the place of Israeli Jews.

Did you not read anything beyond the first four words? The Israelis shouldn't be pressing in further, I didn't say anything about kicking out all the Jews.

[New Benian Republic]

She seems alright, for a Brit that is.

[Napkiraly]

Actually it is. While Israel's own crimes are terrible, the solution isn't to ethnically cleanse the place of Israeli Jews.

Did you not read anything beyond the first four words? The Israelis shouldn't be pressing in further, I didn't say anything about kicking out all the Jews.

I did. It's still ethnically cleansing and the post in question was not about the West Bank but about Israel proper.

[The Romulan Republic]

Fuck no.

I don't know anything about this case, but force relocation, aka ethnic cleansing, is, of course, no more acceptable when applied to Israelis than when applied to anyone else.

[Alvecia]

Did you not read anything beyond the first four words? The Israelis shouldn't be pressing in further, I didn't say anything about kicking out all the Jews.

I did. It's still ethnically cleansing and the post in question was not about the West Bank but about Israel proper.

If you're talking about the Israeli's expanding outwards, then (dependant on a couple factors of course) is it not them doing the cleansing?

[New Benian Republic]

Who are the other 8?

[Barrera]

I wonder what her reaction would be if someone commented that Palestine be moved to, say, Saudi Arabia? I suspect she'd be one of the loudest voices of protest.

That said, I find her comments extremely insensitive and she probably ought to resign rather than just apologize. There seems to be a prevalence of anti-Semitism in the British Labour Party since Corbyn's rise. Ironic, given that the far-left are supposed to be about complete equality.

Edit: The results of this poll are a little...unsettling. People saying they love Hamas and that Israelis should relocate..?

[Zoice]

I did. It's still ethnically cleansing and the post in question was not about the West Bank but about Israel proper.

If you're talking about the Israeli's expanding outwards, then (dependant on a couple factors of course) is it not them doing the cleansing?

Exactly. Calling out an ethnic group on their own ethnic cleansing and trying to maybe undo some of the more recent damage isn't ethnic cleansing.

[Luziyca]

To be honest, an ideal solution would be to move the Israelis to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, Palestinians to Jordan or the Sinai, and then destroy the land area that once comprised Israel and Palestine and transform it into an extension of the Red Sea/Mediterranean Sea. At least that way, there would be some semblence of peace.

[Napkiraly]

I did. It's still ethnically cleansing and the post in question was not about the West Bank but about Israel proper.

If you're talking about the Israeli's expanding outwards, then (dependant on a couple factors of course) is it not them doing the cleansing?

You can. But the post wasn't saying "Take the settlers out, problem solved"*

It was talking about removing Israel proper. I.e. people who have nothing to do with the settlements.

*This would actually not solve the problem

If you're talking about the Israeli's expanding outwards, then (dependant on a couple factors of course) is it not them doing the cleansing?

Exactly. Calling out an ethnic group on their own ethnic cleansing and trying to maybe undo some of the more recent damage isn't ethnic cleansing.

So removing all Israeli Jews from Israel and forcing them to move to the USA isn't ethnic cleansing? Because that's what the post was about, not the settlements.

[Napkiraly]

far-left are supposed to be about complete equality.

Ha.

[Alvecia]

If you're talking about the Israeli's expanding outwards, then (dependant on a couple factors of course) is it not them doing the cleansing?

You can. But the post wasn't saying "Take the settlers out, problem solved"*

It was talking about removing Israel proper. I.e. people who have nothing to do with the settlements.

*This would actually not solve the problem

Exactly. Calling out an ethnic group on their own ethnic cleansing and trying to maybe undo some of the more recent damage isn't ethnic cleansing.

So removing all Israeli Jews from Israel and forcing them to move to the USA isn't ethnic cleansing? Because that's what the post was about, not the settlements.

Suggesting the ethnic cleansing of Israeli Jews is still rather problematic.

It isn't ethnic cleansing to suggest that maybe an ethnic group shouldn't be conquering already habited lands for the sake of a 4000-year old prophecy.

This is the post both myself and Zoice are refering to.
To me this does not at all seem to talk about removing all Jews from Israel, nor moving them to the US, but preventing Israel from taking land that does not belong to them.

[Zoice]

If you're talking about the Israeli's expanding outwards, then (dependant on a couple factors of course) is it not them doing the cleansing?

You can. But the post wasn't saying "Take the settlers out, problem solved"*

It was talking about removing Israel proper. I.e. people who have nothing to do with the settlements.

*This would actually not solve the problem

Exactly. Calling out an ethnic group on their own ethnic cleansing and trying to maybe undo some of the more recent damage isn't ethnic cleansing.

So removing all Israeli Jews from Israel and forcing them to move to the USA isn't ethnic cleansing? Because that's what the post was about, not the settlements.

I don't want all Jews removed. You need to remember that there are Palestinians who are homeless now because their land was stolen. Israel is mostly Jewish, but that's not the important variable here. It doesn't matter that the offending group is mostly one particular ethnicity, it's about the policy adopted by the government. It's "political cleansing" or something, if anything.

[Napkiraly]

Lets go by steps:

1. IR said her post at the most basic level was not anti-Semitic.
2. I said suggesting the ethnic cleansing of Israeli Jews was still rather problematic.
3. Zoice said it isn't ethnically cleansing to suggest that an ethnic group shouldn't be shouldn't be conquering already habited lands for the sake of a 4000-year old prophecy. Zoice at this point was not specifically referring to the settlements.
4. I said it was, since the crimes of Israel do not justify the ethnic cleansing of people who were born and raised in Israel their entire lives.
5. Zoice made it clear he was talking about the settlements.
6. I said the MP's post was not about the settlements, thus remaining an issue of ethnic cleansing, which is the topic of this thread.

Zoice's opinion was originally that it was not ethnically cleansing, since perhaps he thought she was just referring to the settlements. Hopefully by now you both realise that she is talking about Israel proper and thus advocated for the ethnic cleansing of Israeli Jews, which is the topic of this thread.

[Napkiraly]

You can. But the post wasn't saying "Take the settlers out, problem solved"*

It was talking about removing Israel proper. I.e. people who have nothing to do with the settlements.

*This would actually not solve the problem So removing all Israeli Jews from Israel and forcing them to move to the USA isn't ethnic cleansing? Because that's what the post was about, not the settlements.

I don't want all Jews removed. You need to remember that there are Palestinians who are homeless now because their land was stolen. Israel is mostly Jewish, but that's not the important variable here. It doesn't matter that the offending group is mostly one particular ethnicity, it's about the policy adopted by the government. It's "political cleansing" or something, if anything.

We aren't discussing your views, but that of a British MP who you originally stated wasn't advocating ethnic cleansing even though she blatantly was.

[Alvecia]

Lets go by steps:

1. IR said her post at the most basic level was not anti-Semitic.
2. I said suggesting the ethnic cleansing of Israeli Jews was still rather problematic.
3. Zoice said it isn't ethnically cleansing to suggest that an ethnic group shouldn't be shouldn't be conquering already habited lands for the sake of a 4000-year old prophecy. Zoice at this point was not specifically referring to the settlements.
4. I said it was, since the crimes of Israel do not justify the ethnic cleansing of people who were born and raised in Israel their entire lives.
5. Zoice made it clear he was talking about the settlements.
6. I said the MP's post was not about the settlements, thus remaining an issue of ethnic cleansing, which is the topic of this thread.

Zoice's opinion was originally that it was not ethnically cleansing, since perhaps he thought she was just referring to the settlements. Hopefully by now you both realise that she is talking about Israel proper and thus advocated for the ethnic cleansing of Israeli Jews, which is the topic of this thread.

I guess I'll let Zoice take that one given it is your interpretation of their post that I would object to.

[Olivaero]

If the radical Left wants to offer new land to the Israelis then surely the rad Leftists should offer land which is theirs (Tehran) rather than asking America to give up land. Of course there's no chance that the Iranian government would give an inch to Israel, but still if you're going to donate land it should be from your own pocket rather than from someone else.

Are you implying iran is radically left wing?

[Dumb Ideologies]

It should be relocated to Ireland. That'll teach the splittists.

[Napkiraly]

It should be relocated to Ireland. That'll teach the splittists.

And move the Irish to Palestine. *nod*


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