Spanish general election, 2016: Round 2

[The East Atlantic]

SIGMA-2 Exit poll. Official and on TV

PP 28,5 117-121
UP 25,6 91-95
PSOE 22,0 81-85
C's 11,8 26-30

If this is confirmed, Iglesias is our next president, OMG

I think you spoke too soon: http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/06/26/ine ... 24355.html

[Martean]

Well, 4 losers tonight and just 1 winner:

Podemos, Ciudadanos, Gobernability and pollsters are all loosers: Podemos has only gained 0.7 after it's alliance with IU, which had a 3.5%, and repeats its 71 seats; Ciudadanos looses 8 seats and 2%; there is ANOTHER hung parliament and pollsters have had another massive polling error, which is the sixth big polling error since 2014 (and we've had only 6 elections).

Winner? PP, gains 13 seats and reaches 30%, it is quite difficult they'll be able to form a government but they've won a lot of seats.

[Baltenstein]

I wonder why Cuidadanos dropped so badly in the past few months. I mean, it's not like the things they had on their agenda changed.

[Costa Azzurra]

How could this happen? This is a disaster... I expected at least 180 seats for the federal left parties!

[MERIZoC]

So. Grand coalition or third election. Fun.

I wonder why Cuidadanos dropped so badly in the past few months. I mean, it's not like the things they had on their agenda changed.

People saw them for the slimy opportunists they are?

[Britanno 2]

I wonder why Cuidadanos dropped so badly in the past few months. I mean, it's not like the things they had on their agenda changed.

Presumably right of centre voters wanted stability above all else and as such reverted to their traditional voting habits.

[Arkolon]

So. Grand coalition or third election. Fun.

I wonder why Cuidadanos dropped so badly in the past few months. I mean, it's not like the things they had on their agenda changed.

People saw them for the slimy opportunists they are?

Podemos didn't lose any seats

Britanno's correct, I'm pretty sure.

[Costa Azzurra]

I wonder why Cuidadanos dropped so badly in the past few months. I mean, it's not like the things they had on their agenda changed.

They didn't drop over the past few months. They were expected to repeat 13-15%, and only today did that shrink significantly.

[Britanno 2]

People saw them for the slimy opportunists they are?

Why are they opportunists? (asking out of curiosity not disagreement)

[Seamount]

If I was Spanish, I'd vote Cuidadanos. I wish there was a British political party that advocated true social liberalism with centre-right economics. I mean, there are wings within the Conservative Party and Liberal Democrats that advocate it but they're minorities within their own lot.

Either way, I hope Spain finds a solution to the political deadlock and moves forward. I wonder if there's any chance of 'Spexit'? (I kid, I realise there isn't one!)

[Wolfmanne2]

PSOE should deadlock this to third elections. PP voters can come over to PSOE when they realised that is what brings Spain a government.

[Arkolon]

PSOE should deadlock this to third elections. PP voters can come over to PSOE when they realised that is what brings Spain a government.

PP has a better mandate than PSOE...

[Socialist Mercanda]

People saw them for the slimy opportunists they are?

Why are they opportunists? (asking out of curiosity not disagreement)

Leader of Ciudandos made a deal with an infamously controversial man, if he gave Ciudandos some juicy dirty gossip about other parties then Ciudandos would support him. Must I remind you, this man was very unpopular.

[Wolfmanne2]

PSOE should deadlock this to third elections. PP voters can come over to PSOE when they realised that is what brings Spain a government.

PP has a better mandate than PSOE...

Don't care. PSOE shouldn't PASOKify itself.

[MERIZoC]

People saw them for the slimy opportunists they are?

Why are they opportunists? (asking out of curiosity not disagreement)

The only significant way C's positioned themselves as different to the PP, far as I can tell, was that they were a new face that wasn't corrupt. Some small social issues, sure, but nothing too big. But even so, we see that the whole corruption thing turned out to not be true, what with Rivera getting in a spot of trouble the past few days. Combine that with the incessant whining about the fringe (how can UP be fringe when over 20% of the population supports them?) and they come off quite poorly.

[Baltenstein]

PSOE should deadlock this to third elections. PP voters can come over to PSOE when they realised that is what brings Spain a government.

Again? I don't know, three general elections in a row seems rather Weimar Republican.

[Britanno 2]

Leader of Ciudandos made a deal with an infamously controversial man, if he gave Ciudandos some juicy dirty gossip about other parties then Ciudandos would support him. Must I remind you, this man was very unpopular.

And this man was...?

[Costa Azzurra]

PSOE should deadlock this to third elections. PP voters can come over to PSOE when they realised that is what brings Spain a government.

Not only would that be a tremendous waste of money (the people has expressed its opinion twice; holding a third election would be pissing all over their decision and basically saying "nope, wrong decision, try again"), but it would also never happen. The PP/PSOE divide is generally pretty strong, even if they're not really that different. See pillarization.

[Arkolon]

Why are they opportunists? (asking out of curiosity not disagreement)

The only significant way C's positioned themselves as different to the PP, far as I can tell, was that they were a new face that wasn't corrupt. Some small social issues, sure, but nothing too big. But even so, we see that the whole corruption thing turned out to not be true, what with Rivera getting in a spot of trouble the past few days. Combine that with the incessant whining about the fringe (how can UP be fringe when over 20% of the population supports them?) and they come off quite poorly.

Fringe doesn't imply unpopular. Don't want to pull an unnecessary Godwin, so I'll leave it at that.

[MERIZoC]

So. Grand coalition or third election. Fun.

People saw them for the slimy opportunists they are?

Podemos didn't lose any seats

Britanno's correct, I'm pretty sure.

How are Podemos slimy or opportunist? They ran an honest campaign (unlike some others) and bring legitimate concerns to the table.

[MERIZoC]

The only significant way C's positioned themselves as different to the PP, far as I can tell, was that they were a new face that wasn't corrupt. Some small social issues, sure, but nothing too big. But even so, we see that the whole corruption thing turned out to not be true, what with Rivera getting in a spot of trouble the past few days. Combine that with the incessant whining about the fringe (how can UP be fringe when over 20% of the population supports them?) and they come off quite poorly.

Fringe doesn't imply unpopular. Don't want to pull an unnecessary Godwin, so I'll leave it at that.

It certainly does. The nazis may have been extremists, but they weren't fringe. Podemos is neither though, so that's entirely irrelevant.

[Arkolon]

Fringe doesn't imply unpopular. Don't want to pull an unnecessary Godwin, so I'll leave it at that.

It certainly does. The nazis may have been extremists, but they weren't fringe. Podemos is neither though, so that's entirely irrelevant.

The definition of 'fringe' uses the word 'extremist'; they're synonyms. I'd like to hear how you think they're different and why that would matter.

[Great Kauthar]

PLEASE SAY THAT EUZKO ALDERDI JELTZALEA AND THE REPUBLICAN LEFT OF CATALUNYA DID WELL

[Socialist Mercanda]

Leader of Ciudandos made a deal with an infamously controversial man, if he gave Ciudandos some juicy dirty gossip about other parties then Ciudandos would support him. Must I remind you, this man was very unpopular.

And this man was...?

You literally could have looked it up? Daniel de Alfonso

[Britanno 2]

You literally could have looked it up? Daniel de Alfonso

You literally could have just posted his name in the first place?

So basically this Citizens guy that has been running on anti-corruption is pretty corrupt? That's Spain for you.