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Mattopilos
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Postby Mattopilos » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:34 am

Darjihad wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
I don't actually get what that first line means at all. Let's also mention I am not a fan of many of Marx's Ideas: he was kind of an arse and resorted to attacks on other philosophers like Stirner - not debate, just attack. That, and the transitional state he claims to use is not a good idea (obviously from how certain dictatorships have started, bastardizing communism's theorized ideals into some giant slave camp).


Wow. Not only are Marx's disciples not commies in your view, even ol' K-Marx himself wasn't a commie? Fuck the airbrush, you brought a paintroller to edit the Archives LOL.

What are you, a Raelian? I've never met someone not from reality before.


I never said he wasn't a communist. Stop making claims for things I never said. I said my view don't align with his, that is all.
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Korouse
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Postby Korouse » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:39 am

Darjihad wrote:
Korouse wrote:>implying that all communists support the ussr

Stick to IT bud, not politics


Come on. Even China and VietNam bought into that Lysenkoist shit. BECAUSE it was "ideologically compatible with Communism."

That leaves you with telling a lot of communists throughout the last 100 years that you're the True Scotsman Commie and they made you look bad.

How can I resist mocking you?

I don't even advocate for Stalinist policies or full communism. Your reply was completely irrelevant to the comment I made, too.

"That leaves you with telling a lot of communists throughout the last 100 years that you're the True Scotsman Commie and they made you look bad."

I'm not getting something here. Are you knowingly lumping authoritarian ideologies in with anarchist ones to criticize anarchists? Or are you just a bit slow?
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Darjihad
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Postby Darjihad » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:14 am

Mattopilos wrote:
Darjihad wrote:
Wow. Not only are Marx's disciples not commies in your view, even ol' K-Marx himself wasn't a commie? Fuck the airbrush, you brought a paintroller to edit the Archives LOL.

What are you, a Raelian? I've never met someone not from reality before.


I never said he wasn't a communist. Stop making claims for things I never said. I said my view don't align with his, that is all.


You also claimed his followers in Russia and China didn't align with his views. Your sig also contains a quote from Louis Blanc that Marx plagiarized / popularized.

Again, poor commies. No one can follow their detailed instructions. LOL
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"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers." - Calvin Coolidge, July 4,1926

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Darjihad
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Postby Darjihad » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:17 am

Korouse wrote:
Darjihad wrote:
Come on. Even China and VietNam bought into that Lysenkoist shit. BECAUSE it was "ideologically compatible with Communism."

That leaves you with telling a lot of communists throughout the last 100 years that you're the True Scotsman Commie and they made you look bad.

How can I resist mocking you?

I don't even advocate for Stalinist policies or full communism. Your reply was completely irrelevant to the comment I made, too.

"That leaves you with telling a lot of communists throughout the last 100 years that you're the True Scotsman Commie and they made you look bad."

I'm not getting something here. Are you knowingly lumping authoritarian ideologies in with anarchist ones to criticize anarchists? Or are you just a bit slow?


I would never get a rise out of anarchists by criticizing Marxist-Stalinists. I'm not that clever. ;)
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"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers." - Calvin Coolidge, July 4,1926

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:09 am

mfw you realize that the plot of breaking bad would be made irrelevant if Gary Johnson decriminalized drugs during his term as governor

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Irona
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Postby Irona » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:12 am

Darjihad wrote:
Korouse wrote:I don't even advocate for Stalinist policies or full communism. Your reply was completely irrelevant to the comment I made, too.

"That leaves you with telling a lot of communists throughout the last 100 years that you're the True Scotsman Commie and they made you look bad."

I'm not getting something here. Are you knowingly lumping authoritarian ideologies in with anarchist ones to criticize anarchists? Or are you just a bit slow?


I would never get a rise out of anarchists by criticizing Marxist-Stalinists. I'm not that clever. ;)

So your just trolling him?

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:27 am

Majority Unionism, Compulsory Unionism, and Compulsory Voting Hurt Workers

Explains well I think why mandatory unionization in industry aren't actually voluntary arrangements. But it also sheds light on the role of unions in a free society. Thoughts?
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Darjihad
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Postby Darjihad » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:28 am

Irona wrote:
Darjihad wrote:
I would never get a rise out of anarchists by criticizing Marxist-Stalinists. I'm not that clever. ;)

So your just trolling him?


Nah. I'm sure his ideas are so good they have to be enforced at gunpoint.
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"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers." - Calvin Coolidge, July 4,1926

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:30 am

Darjihad wrote:
Irona wrote:So your just trolling him?


Nah. I'm sure his ideas are so good they have to be enforced at gunpoint.

Charity At Gunpoint is what the leftist phenomenon should be named.
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Postby Darjihad » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:34 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:Majority Unionism, Compulsory Unionism, and Compulsory Voting Hurt Workers

Explains well I think why mandatory unionization in industry aren't actually voluntary arrangements. But it also sheds light on the role of unions in a free society. Thoughts?


Anti-terrorism laws should be used to destroy unions.
Feel the Harding, Feel the Coolidge, Feel the Johnson
"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers." - Calvin Coolidge, July 4,1926

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:40 am

Darjihad wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Majority Unionism, Compulsory Unionism, and Compulsory Voting Hurt Workers

Explains well I think why mandatory unionization in industry aren't actually voluntary arrangements. But it also sheds light on the role of unions in a free society. Thoughts?


Anti-terrorism laws should be used to destroy unions.


Oh no, has the alt-right got you too?
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Darjihad
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Postby Darjihad » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:59 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Darjihad wrote:
Anti-terrorism laws should be used to destroy unions.


Oh no, has the alt-right got you too?


Worse. Working as a "scab" temporary laborer in a factory during a strike, my tires were slashed, my car windows - all of them - were smashed out, and I was physically assaulted by beer bottles and baseball bats.

I don't have any use for unions. The AFL-CIO is a domestic terrorist organization and should be regarded as such by law enforcement.
Feel the Harding, Feel the Coolidge, Feel the Johnson
"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers." - Calvin Coolidge, July 4,1926

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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:06 pm

Mattopilos wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Do you have any evidence that's more statistically grounded than mine? You haven't provided it.


http://www.epi.org/publication/top-ceos ... 1-percent/
http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay- ... ince-1978/
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -hot-topic

Executives and CEOs get WAY more than workers, and their pay is rising faster than the average worker.


I'm arguing about whether they work less, not whether they have higher pay.
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Postby Irona » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:48 pm

Darjihad wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Oh no, has the alt-right got you too?


Worse. Working as a "scab" temporary laborer in a factory during a strike, my tires were slashed, my car windows - all of them - were smashed out, and I was physically assaulted by beer bottles and baseball bats.

I don't have any use for unions. The AFL-CIO is a domestic terrorist organization and should be regarded as such by law enforcement.

And you couldn't go to the police because?

Anyway don't you work in IT?
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Korouse
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Postby Korouse » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:08 pm

Irona wrote:
Darjihad wrote:
Worse. Working as a "scab" temporary laborer in a factory during a strike, my tires were slashed, my car windows - all of them - were smashed out, and I was physically assaulted by beer bottles and baseball bats.

I don't have any use for unions. The AFL-CIO is a domestic terrorist organization and should be regarded as such by law enforcement.

And you couldn't go to the police because?

Anyway don't you work in IT?

He couldn't go to the police probably because the story is made up.

If it's true though, sucks for him. I don't feel bad though. It's what he gets for going into a hornet's nest and trying to fuck people over.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:12 pm

The problem is viewing money as a pie.

There is no pie.

If my neighbor were to win the lottery, this has no measurable affect on my life. Good for him, I suppose, but this doesn't harm me in the least.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/objectivist ... 0c6fac7c1c

Instead, we should talk about why wages are stagnating while the cost of living goes up.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:39 pm

Korouse wrote:
Irona wrote:And you couldn't go to the police because?

Anyway don't you work in IT?

He couldn't go to the police probably because the story is made up.

If it's true though, sucks for him. I don't feel bad though. It's what he gets for going into a hornet's nest and trying to fuck people over.

Nobody deserves to have their property damaged like that. Not even people like you, loathe as I am to admit it.
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Postby Community Values » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:41 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Majority Unionism, Compulsory Unionism, and Compulsory Voting Hurt Workers

Explains well I think why mandatory unionization in industry aren't actually voluntary arrangements. But it also sheds light on the role of unions in a free society. Thoughts?


If a company wants a Union, good for them. Of course, I don't see this happening very often, as from what I've seen Unions have gone from "advocating workers rights" to "be in our union or ill cut u"

The more I think about unions though, the more I see them as... Not what people want me to see them as.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:29 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:mfw you realize that the plot of breaking bad would be made irrelevant if Gary Johnson decriminalized drugs during his term as governor

(Image)


New Mexico is a hellhole, ergo, the perfect spot for Breaking Bad. No offense to Mr. Johnson, he was a phenomenal governor, but the state he governed really is a hellhole.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:31 pm

Korouse wrote:
Irona wrote:And you couldn't go to the police because?

Anyway don't you work in IT?

He couldn't go to the police probably because the story is made up.

If it's true though, sucks for him. I don't feel bad though. It's what he gets for going into a hornet's nest and trying to fuck people over.


Why would he deserve to be assaulted? :eyebrow:

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:47 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:mfw you realize that the plot of breaking bad would be made irrelevant if Gary Johnson decriminalized drugs during his term as governor

(Image)


New Mexico is a hellhole, ergo, the perfect spot for Breaking Bad. No offense to Mr. Johnson, he was a phenomenal governor, but the state he governed really is a hellhole.


Dang Libling, where you been? You just disappeared a while ago and just came back.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:52 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
New Mexico is a hellhole, ergo, the perfect spot for Breaking Bad. No offense to Mr. Johnson, he was a phenomenal governor, but the state he governed really is a hellhole.


Dang Libling, where you been? You just disappeared a while ago and just came back.


School is time consuming.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:59 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Dang Libling, where you been? You just disappeared a while ago and just came back.


School is time consuming.


In the summer? Do you take summer school/classes?
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:00 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
School is time consuming.


In the summer? Do you take summer school/classes?


School started for me on August 10th. All of Arizona is like that, school ends in late May, begins in early August.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:01 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
In the summer? Do you take summer school/classes?


School started for me on August 10th. All of Arizona is like that, school ends in late May, begins in early August.


Well that's awful.
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