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Greater Beggnig
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:19 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
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Or I'll blow us all to shit with my Form 1 grenade :p

NAP or MAD?

Wait a sec, let me dig up my recreational suitcase nuke.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:24 am

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Why not both?

I respect that comrade.


An armed society is a polite society and all that, with any luck I'll be able to bring my notMachineGuns to the market soon enough.

In other news, Johnson and Weld apparently have $5 million in the bank according to an interview Weld gave the other day :blink:
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:28 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I respect that comrade.


An armed society is a polite society and all that, with any luck I'll be able to bring my notMachineGuns to the market soon enough.

In other news, Johnson and Weld apparently have $5 million in the bank according to an interview Weld gave the other day :blink:

Maybe, but one that quickly becomes bloody if unstable.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:28 am

Greater Beggnig wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:NAP or MAD?

Wait a sec, let me dig up my recreational suitcase nuke.

It's for home defence.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:34 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
An armed society is a polite society and all that, with any luck I'll be able to bring my notMachineGuns to the market soon enough.

In other news, Johnson and Weld apparently have $5 million in the bank according to an interview Weld gave the other day :blink:

Maybe, but one that quickly becomes bloody if unstable.


Unstable societies tend to be bloody either way.

Bakery Hill wrote:
Greater Beggnig wrote:Wait a sec, let me dig up my recreational suitcase nuke.

It's for home defence.


Mac-11 does it better.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:45 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Maybe, but one that quickly becomes bloody if unstable.


Unstable societies tend to be bloody either way.

Of course, but guns make things easier there. Otherwise you wouldn't have them.
Mac-11 does it better.

Will keep this in mind haha
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Postby Great Feng » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:40 am

Hello I am a new Libertarian but am 16.
I am not new to the site but have recently decided I am a Libertarian so nice to meet you all I'll drop in here from time to time. :)

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:44 am

Great Feng wrote:Hello I am a new Libertarian but am 16.
I am not new to the site but have recently decided I am a Libertarian so nice to meet you all I'll drop in here from time to time. :)


What exactly made you decide you're a libertarian?
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Postby Idzequitch » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:56 am

Twenty-something, male, heterosexual, Protestant Christian. Politically unaffiliated libertarian-ish centrist.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:58 am

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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:03 am



Now if we can get someone that is more recognized to endorse the ticket, then we may be able to make a stake in this election.
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Postby Fanosolia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:41 am

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Bigoted party is bigoted.

If you think that libertarianism is an ideology of tolerance and egalitarianism, you're very, very wrong.

Tolerant? Not inherently, no. Egalitarian? Depends on your flavor of egalitarian. If your talk equality of outcome, well of course not (atleast not meanstream) if its legal egalitarianism I argue it's better than most others.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I respect that comrade.


An armed society is a polite society and all that, with any luck I'll be able to bring my notMachineGuns to the market soon enough.

In other news, Johnson and Weld apparently have $5 million in the bank according to an interview Weld gave the other day :blink:


So an armed society is the personification of teddy roosevelt? :p
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:50 am

http://www.vocativ.com/345479/gary-john ... ter-crime/

Fun fact: both Snowden and Ulbrecht supported libertarian causes.
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Postby Darjihad » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:03 pm

Great Feng wrote:Hello I am a new Libertarian but am 16.
I am not new to the site but have recently decided I am a Libertarian so nice to meet you all I'll drop in here from time to time. :)


Welcome. I joined the Libertarian Party at age 17, a year before I was old enough to vote, and worked to acquire petition signatures to get the LP permanent ballot access in my state. Now, 29 years later, we have ballot access in all 50 states.

You're going to find and meet a lot of interesting and intelligent people among libertarians.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:25 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Isyrannaea wrote:If you think that libertarianism is an ideology of tolerance and egalitarianism, you're very, very wrong.


I'm pretty tolerant, am I doing it wrong?


No, keep doing what you're doing.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:31 pm

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Yeah, as a Sanders supporter, I would prefer if Johnson wasn't so enthusiastic about budget cuts and right-wing economics. I mean, I thought Sanders was a bit overambitious with the tax-and-spend social programs, but Johnson is too far the other way, and it took a real mental adjustment when I switched over to supporting him.

"mental adjustment"

That sounds sort of uncomfortable haha


Some parts of it were; other parts were liberating. I had been tuning out disagreeable comments about guns and identity politics from politicians I supported for so long...
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:35 pm



Now he just needs to talk to his family and get some of them to join in and watch Republicans flip their shit.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:44 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
Isyrannaea wrote:If you think that libertarianism is an ideology of tolerance and egalitarianism, you're very, very wrong.

Tolerant? Not inherently, no. Egalitarian? Depends on your flavor of egalitarian. If your talk equality of outcome, well of course not (atleast not meanstream) if its legal egalitarianism I argue it's better than most others.


Libertarian government should be tolerant, even if some individuals have personal views that aren't.

You have it right about egalitarianism. In a free market, some people will end up richer than others, and I wasn't complaining about that.
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Postby Darjihad » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:53 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Fanosolia wrote: Tolerant? Not inherently, no. Egalitarian? Depends on your flavor of egalitarian. If your talk equality of outcome, well of course not (atleast not meanstream) if its legal egalitarianism I argue it's better than most others.


Libertarian government should be tolerant, even if some individuals have personal views that aren't.

You have it right about egalitarianism. In a free market, some people will end up richer than others, and I wasn't complaining about that.


I think too many people confuse the definitions of "tolerant" and "supportive" with each other.

I tolerate the neighbor's dog shitting in my yard. I don't encourage it.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:14 pm

Darjihad wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Libertarian government should be tolerant, even if some individuals have personal views that aren't.

You have it right about egalitarianism. In a free market, some people will end up richer than others, and I wasn't complaining about that.


I think too many people confuse the definitions of "tolerant" and "supportive" with each other.

I tolerate the neighbor's dog shitting in my yard. I don't encourage it.


That is true.
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Postby Isyrannaea » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:31 pm

Great Feng wrote:Hello I am a new Libertarian but am 16.
I am not new to the site but have recently decided I am a Libertarian so nice to meet you all I'll drop in here from time to time. :)

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Postby Greater Beggnig » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:59 am

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Bakery Hill wrote:It's for home defence.

Mac-11 does it better.


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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:40 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Fanosolia wrote: Tolerant? Not inherently, no. Egalitarian? Depends on your flavor of egalitarian. If your talk equality of outcome, well of course not (atleast not meanstream) if its legal egalitarianism I argue it's better than most others.


Libertarian government should be tolerant, even if some individuals have personal views that aren't.

You have it right about egalitarianism. In a free market, some people will end up richer than others, and I wasn't complaining about that.


Of course, but I don't think everyone that uses the libertarian label are tolerant themselves due to things like freedom of association. Plus as Darjihad said, people tend to misuse the term tolerant. Hell it's the reason I use understand instead now, because people tend to confuse it with having put up with certain things. Then again people misuse all sorts of terms in politics. Freedom of Religion and Cultural Relativism are good examples.

Oh I know, just wanted to point out to him that there is more than one flavor egalitarianism.
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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:22 am

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/gary-jo ... id/741098/

Not really huge news since this rumor has been floating around for a while, but the comments made me LOL. Since I came over from the Democrats, I keep hearing how I am helping Trump by supporting Johnson, so it's just weird to see people working themselves into a lather about how it helps Hillary.

My favorite comment: "BTW - I'd love to see Romney endorse Johnson personally and get a contact buzz."

Romney getting stoned would be funny just to see how much dumb shit he would say.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:27 am

USS Monitor wrote:http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/gary-johnson-mitt-romney-considering-endorsement/2016/07/28/id/741098/

Not really huge news since this rumor has been floating around for a while, but the comments made me LOL. Since I came over from the Democrats, I keep hearing how I am helping Trump by supporting Johnson, so it's just weird to see people working themselves into a lather about how it helps Hillary.

My favorite comment: "BTW - I'd love to see Romney endorse Johnson personally and get a contact buzz."

Romney getting stoned would be funny just to see how much dumb shit he would say.


I think Romney will endorse if Johnson is able to reach 15% and hold it though I think he'll need his endorsement in order to get too 15%. If Romney does endorse, then I expect others will follow.
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