Libertarian Discussion Thread

[Zurkerx]

Yeah, about 90% or so will do so. However, that 10% is ripe for the picking. I am surprise too they prefer Johnson or Stein. It's probably because she's a wackier version of Sanders and or lacks the governing experience which Johnson has. Or they remain unaware of her.

If they're aware of Johnson, they're also aware of her. The original "Bernie or Bust" pledge advised people to vote for Stein if Bernie lost the primaries and they lived in a state with no write-ins. And some Bernie people are still talking about voting for Stein as a back up plan.

But Johnson gets some too because he appeals to their social liberalism and anti-war sentiments, he's more experienced and level-headed than Stein, and there might be some strategic voting because even though both are long shots, Johnson is a more viable candidate than Stein. For some people, Johnson is just the most viable candidate that they trust not to drag us into pointless wars.

This is true. While I do expect her to take more in the end, Johnson will overall do better with both Bernie or Bust and NeverTrump crowds. I just saw on Facebook that he released a new ad touching on some those things.

[USS Monitor]

To be fair I'm pretty sure Johnson is at the DNC too, it's a good time to be picking up voters.

Johnson was also at the RNC, though. It's different if you go after both parties. When you only go after one party, it just seems like you're trying to play spoiler and spite them. It's fairer to go after both.

[Idzequitch]

To be fair I'm pretty sure Johnson is at the DNC too, it's a good time to be picking up voters.

Johnson was also at the RNC, though. It's different if you go after both parties. When you only go after one party, it just seems like you're trying to play spoiler and spite them. It's fairer to go after both.

In fairness though, Stein would have been more productive playing tiddly-winks than trying to recruit at the RNC.

[Geilinor]

Johnson was also at the RNC, though. It's different if you go after both parties. When you only go after one party, it just seems like you're trying to play spoiler and spite them. It's fairer to go after both.

In fairness though, Stein would have been more productive playing tiddly-winks than trying to recruit at the RNC.

Stein recruiting at the RNC? What a doomed cause, Johnson trying to recruit at both parties actually makes sense because he has some policies that appeal to both.

[USS Monitor]

Johnson was also at the RNC, though. It's different if you go after both parties. When you only go after one party, it just seems like you're trying to play spoiler and spite them. It's fairer to go after both.

In fairness though, Stein would have been more productive playing tiddly-winks than trying to recruit at the RNC.

That's one reason why she's not helpful as an alternative to the major party candidates. She doesn't appeal to a broad enough variety of people.

[The balkens]

In fairness though, Stein would have been more productive playing tiddly-winks than trying to recruit at the RNC.

That's one reason why she's not helpful as an alternative to the major party candidates. She doesn't appeal to a broad enough variety of people.

Again, Thank god.

[USS Monitor]

That's one reason why she's not helpful as an alternative to the major party candidates. She doesn't appeal to a broad enough variety of people.

Again, Thank god.

Eh... She's good on a lot of issues, just needs to calm down, take it down a notch on the pseudoscience and ridiculous attacks, and get some relevant experience.

[Navazques]

Again, Thank god.

Eh... She's good on a lot of issues, just needs to calm down, take it down a notch on the pseudoscience and ridiculous attacks, and get some relevant experience.

Implying anybody would elect her.

[The Liberated Territories]

At this point I am hoping the FBI indicts either Trump or Clinton and they are forced to drop out, so the campaign becomes between Clinton/Trump and Johnson instead of each other. That massive void can then be utilized by Johnson to win both former voters and undecideds.

Or maybe both of them. Instant win for Johnson. Hahaha.

I can dream, can't I?

[Fanosolia]

At this point I am hoping the FBI indicts either Trump or Clinton and they are forced to drop out, so the campaign becomes between Clinton/Trump and Johnson instead of each other. That massive void can then be utilized by Johnson to win both former voters and undecideds.

Or maybe both of them. Instant win for Johnson. Hahaha.

I can dream, can't I?

I hope those in power get jailed too tlt. I hope so too. *pats face*

But even then wouldnt they replace them?

[The Liberated Territories]

At this point I am hoping the FBI indicts either Trump or Clinton and they are forced to drop out, so the campaign becomes between Clinton/Trump and Johnson instead of each other. That massive void can then be utilized by Johnson to win both former voters and undecideds.

Or maybe both of them. Instant win for Johnson. Hahaha.

I can dream, can't I?

I hope those in power get jailed too tlt. I hope so too. *pats face*

But even then wouldnt they replace them?

The RNC and DNC would destroy themselves in the process of fighting over it.

[Zurkerx]

At this point I am hoping the FBI indicts either Trump or Clinton and they are forced to drop out, so the campaign becomes between Clinton/Trump and Johnson instead of each other. That massive void can then be utilized by Johnson to win both former voters and undecideds.

Or maybe both of them. Instant win for Johnson. Hahaha.

I can dream, can't I?

Only in a fantasy world I'm afraid. Of course though, it would be nice if we can break the glass ceiling.

[Zurkerx]

Also, I saw Marvin Bush endorse Johnson today along with possibly Bill Krystal (Which surprise me) as well.

[Bakery Hill]

What's Johnson think about economic issues? That's a bone of contention between him and most Sanders supporters I imagine?

[New American Republic of Texas]

When I was a never trump republican, I supported Austin Petersen for 17 days. I hope he runs in 2020. In hopes that the Democrats don't have a nominee as terrible as Hillary, I will support Austin. Gary is too left for me. Austin is the perfect mix of constitutionalism, capitalism, and libertarian conservatism. He was also the second president of my nation.

[Northern Davincia]

When I was a never trump republican, I supported Austin Petersen for 17 days. I hope he runs in 2020. In hopes that the Democrats don't have a nominee as terrible as Hillary, I will support Austin. Gary is too left for me. Austin is the perfect mix of constitutionalism, capitalism, and libertarian conservatism. He was also the second president of my nation.

http://castle2016.com/home/
There are better options still out there.

[USS Monitor]

I hope those in power get jailed too tlt. I hope so too. *pats face*

But even then wouldnt they replace them?

The RNC and DNC would destroy themselves in the process of fighting over it.

More likely they'd just roll with their VPs.

It would still weaken them, though.

[USS Monitor]

At this point I am hoping the FBI indicts either Trump or Clinton and they are forced to drop out, so the campaign becomes between Clinton/Trump and Johnson instead of each other. That massive void can then be utilized by Johnson to win both former voters and undecideds.

Or maybe both of them. Instant win for Johnson. Hahaha.

I can dream, can't I?

Only in a fantasy world I'm afraid. Of course though, it would be nice if we can break the glass ceiling.

Are we talking about the "glass ceiling" for women or the one for 3rd parties? The latter is much thicker glass these days, and much more damaging to social progress. I don't even see Hillary as breaking the glass ceiling so much as it got torn down by other people and she happened to be in the right place at the right time to climb through.

[Zurkerx]

Only in a fantasy world I'm afraid. Of course though, it would be nice if we can break the glass ceiling.

Are we talking about the "glass ceiling" for women or the one for 3rd parties? The latter is much thicker glass these days, and much more damaging to social progress. I don't even see Hillary as breaking the glass ceiling so much as it got torn down by other people and she happened to be in the right place at the right time to climb through.

Third Party of course. However, I will say that she'll break the ceiling if she becomes the President.

[USS Monitor]

What's Johnson think about economic issues? That's a bone of contention between him and most Sanders supporters I imagine?

Yeah, as a Sanders supporter, I would prefer if Johnson wasn't so enthusiastic about budget cuts and right-wing economics. I mean, I thought Sanders was a bit overambitious with the tax-and-spend social programs, but Johnson is too far the other way, and it took a real mental adjustment when I switched over to supporting him.

Sanders supporters who thought he was perfect and agreed with all of his policies are probably not going to come over to Johnson, for the same reasons that Sanders himself is not going to endorse Johnson. But Sanders supporters aren't a hivemind. Some of us weren't quite as far left as Sanders himself. So you'll get different people going in different directions now that Sanders is out of the race, and Johnson can pick up a few votes by reaching out to Sanders people. Most will go to Clinton, though.

[USS Monitor]

When I was a never trump republican, I supported Austin Petersen for 17 days. I hope he runs in 2020. In hopes that the Democrats don't have a nominee as terrible as Hillary, I will support Austin. Gary is too left for me. Austin is the perfect mix of constitutionalism, capitalism, and libertarian conservatism. He was also the second president of my nation.

http://castle2016.com/home/
There are better options still out there.

Yuck.

[Isyrannaea]

http://castle2016.com/home/
There are better options still out there.

Yuck.

He actually seems really based

[USS Monitor]

Yuck.

He actually seems really based

If "based" is the latest slang for "like an asshole."

[Darjihad]

What's Johnson think about economic issues? That's a bone of contention between him and most Sanders supporters I imagine?

Yeah, as a Sanders supporter, I would prefer if Johnson wasn't so enthusiastic about budget cuts and right-wing economics. I mean, I thought Sanders was a bit overambitious with the tax-and-spend social programs, but Johnson is too far the other way, and it took a real mental adjustment when I switched over to supporting him.

Sanders supporters who thought he was perfect and agreed with all of his policies are probably not going to come over to Johnson, for the same reasons that Sanders himself is not going to endorse Johnson. But Sanders supporters aren't a hivemind. Some of us weren't quite as far left as Sanders himself. So you'll get different people going in different directions now that Sanders is out of the race, and Johnson can pick up a few votes by reaching out to Sanders people. Most will go to Clinton, though.

I agree. If you're totally against the Trans Pacific Partnership trade plan, neither Hillary nor Trump or Johnson are going to please you. I will say Johnson would make the TPP more palatable to skeptics than Hillary or Trump would.

[Isyrannaea]

He actually seems really based

If "based" is the latest slang for "like an asshole."

Are you going to call anybody even remotely right-wing an asshole?