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What should be the next title of the Libertarian Discussion Thread?

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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Atlas Hugged
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Would You Kindly?
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Recreational Nukes
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys
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USS Monitor
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun May 29, 2016 6:46 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Corrian wrote:They might go Jill Stein instead. But the Democratic County Convention up here was very anti establishment because it was majorly Sanders supporters over Clinton supporters, which was pretty weird to see how anti democratic party it was at a democratic party (They booed the idea of re-electing our governor, for example).

I actually think my stance will depend on who does the best (Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. Stein is polling at only like 2%, but that may go up later, so). I'm pretty much turning in to a "Vote for whichever candidate I think has the best chance at breaking the 2 party system" vote. I actually voted for Johnson last time. He may not be entirely preferable for my tastes (I am a Sanders supporter, after all), but as my dad put it, "I'd prefer to vote for the lesser of two goods than the lesser of two evils"


I dunno. I feel like the Green Party may lose out in some of the limelight this year. How many of the Bernie bros are aware of Stein?

Regardless if the Green Party can join us, the more the merrier I say. We ain't trying to win, we are trying to blow this popsickle stand up. And that popsickle stand is the two party state.


The "BernieOrBust" pledge said to write-in Bernie or vote for Stein. They are definitely aware of her.
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Postby Corrian » Sun May 29, 2016 6:48 pm

Also, I'm still in the process of pushing Johnson towards my grandpa, because even he is stuck now, because even he, who has kind of gone off the deep end with Fox News brainwashing, can't stand Trump (Though he was a Cruz supporter :shock: ), and my grandma really can't stand him because he fits into everything she hates about politics.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun May 29, 2016 6:50 pm

Corrian wrote:Also, I'm still in the process of pushing Johnson towards my grandpa, because even he is stuck now, because even he, who has kind of gone off the deep end with Fox News brainwashing, can't stand Trump (Though he was a Cruz supporter :shock: ), and my grandma really can't stand him because he fits into everything she hates about politics.

I'm guessing your grandpa is pretty conservative socially? I can see Gary having a hard time with the more staunch social conservatives.
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Postby Idzequitch » Sun May 29, 2016 6:54 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Corrian wrote:Also, I'm still in the process of pushing Johnson towards my grandpa, because even he is stuck now, because even he, who has kind of gone off the deep end with Fox News brainwashing, can't stand Trump (Though he was a Cruz supporter :shock: ), and my grandma really can't stand him because he fits into everything she hates about politics.

I'm guessing your grandpa is pretty conservative socially? I can see Gary having a hard time with the more staunch social conservatives.

Yeah, if you're anti-drug and/or anti-gay, Johnson is probably never going to be your first choice.
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Postby The Union of the West » Sun May 29, 2016 6:56 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:I'm guessing your grandpa is pretty conservative socially? I can see Gary having a hard time with the more staunch social conservatives.

Yeah, if you're anti-drug and/or anti-gay, Johnson is probably never going to be your first choice.

Yeah, pretty much. The drug thing is what's keeping my family away from supporting him. That, and their stance on military spending.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 29, 2016 6:58 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:I'm guessing your grandpa is pretty conservative socially? I can see Gary having a hard time with the more staunch social conservatives.

Yeah, if you're anti-drug and/or anti-gay, Johnson is probably never going to be your first choice.


We just need a world where married gay couples can defend their marijuana fields with machine guns dammit :p
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Postby Geilinor » Sun May 29, 2016 7:01 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:Yeah, if you're anti-drug and/or anti-gay, Johnson is probably never going to be your first choice.


We just need a world where married gay couples can defend their marijuana fields with machine guns dammit :p

That sounds like Alaska. Marijuana + lenient gun control and you can live out in the middle of nowhere so homophobes can't bother anyone.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 29, 2016 7:02 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We just need a world where married gay couples can defend their marijuana fields with machine guns dammit :p

That sounds like Alaska. Marijuana + lenient gun control and you can live out in the middle of nowhere so homophobes can't bother anyone.


Alas we're still working on the machine gun bit, hopefully soon we can get them again :(
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Postby Narland » Sun May 29, 2016 7:03 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:I'm guessing your grandpa is pretty conservative socially? I can see Gary having a hard time with the more staunch social conservatives.

Yeah, if you're anti-drug and/or anti-gay, Johnson is probably never going to be your first choice.

At the Federal level anyone who will reduce government should be acceptable to a social conservative--getting back to the limited government. There is no mandated Federal Marriage Registry Database (yet), and every person is free to live in a state that has its own position (some even lets its counties decide) what is smokable and drinkable. Johnson is a proven fiscal conservative, and he will try to go back to us being a federal government instead of a national central government that pretends it is federal. That may be a selling point, if saving us from debtsaster is important to him.
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Postby Corrian » Sun May 29, 2016 7:04 pm

My grandpa calls himself a Libertarian, and he supports marijuana legalization (He uses it himself) and his favorite daughter was married to a girl, so I'm pretty sure he isn't anti-gay marriage either. Why he supported Cruz, I have no freaking clue.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun May 29, 2016 7:12 pm

There is a fat naked man at the libertarian convention. What a time to be alive.

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Postby Zurkerx » Sun May 29, 2016 7:31 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:Yeah, if you're anti-drug and/or anti-gay, Johnson is probably never going to be your first choice.

Yeah, pretty much. The drug thing is what's keeping my family away from supporting him. That, and their stance on military spending.


Not to mention that he's Pro-Choice, a big no-no for social conservatives. Then again, they're willing to support a man that has flip flop many times on that one issue so...

My parents have no intention since they feel it would be a "wasted vote" and allow Hillary to win. My mom supports him more than my dad. My grandparents watched the Libertarian Debate last night and got the impression that these people minus Johnson aren't serious and are wacky (thanks fellow Libertarians). So, it looks like I am the sole one that will be voting for Johnson.
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Postby Corrian » Sun May 29, 2016 7:41 pm

Zurkerx wrote:My parents have no intention since they feel it would be a "wasted vote" and allow Hillary to win. My mom supports him more than my dad. My grandparents watched the Libertarian Debate last night and got the impression that these people minus Johnson aren't serious and are wacky (thanks fellow Libertarians). So, it looks like I am the sole one that will be voting for Johnson.

Push him anyway!
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Postby Zurkerx » Sun May 29, 2016 7:43 pm

Corrian wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:My parents have no intention since they feel it would be a "wasted vote" and allow Hillary to win. My mom supports him more than my dad. My grandparents watched the Libertarian Debate last night and got the impression that these people minus Johnson aren't serious and are wacky (thanks fellow Libertarians). So, it looks like I am the sole one that will be voting for Johnson.

Push him anyway!


That's what I been trying to do. This election cycle has been nothing but out of the ordinary. It is not a normal election cycle. I have a few friends that I will try to push on as well though it seems their "libertarian" credentials are coming into question since they support Trump. Eh, god damn it, this is going to be tough.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun May 29, 2016 7:51 pm

Buy a bumper sticker.

http://www.cafepress.com/+gary-johnson+bumper-stickers

Some of these are funny.
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Postby Corrian » Sun May 29, 2016 7:54 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Buy a bumper sticker.

http://www.cafepress.com/+gary-johnson+bumper-stickers

Some of these are funny.

I'll take the "Don't Blame Me I Voted For Gary Johnson" one :P

Or "Don't vote for assholes"
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Postby West Verrica » Sun May 29, 2016 10:24 pm

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Postby Drown » Sun May 29, 2016 10:27 pm

West Verrica wrote:Would you guys support a Carbon tax because of property rights on the air?

No.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sun May 29, 2016 10:30 pm

West Verrica wrote:Would you guys support a Carbon tax because of property rights on the air?


I wouldn't bother trying to frame it as a property rights issue.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun May 29, 2016 10:31 pm

West Verrica wrote:Would you guys support a Carbon tax because of property rights on the air?


A tax? Nah. Some other incentive? Maybe.
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Postby West Verrica » Sun May 29, 2016 10:37 pm

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Postby Drown » Sun May 29, 2016 10:37 pm

West Verrica wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
I wouldn't bother trying to frame it as a property rights issue.

I feel like individuals should own the air above their property just as much as the dirt below it.

I do to, but we shouldn't tax it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 29, 2016 10:40 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
West Verrica wrote:Would you guys support a Carbon tax because of property rights on the air?


A tax? Nah. Some other incentive? Maybe.


Pretty much this, don't add more nonsense to our impossible to understand tax code plz
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Postby Drown » Sun May 29, 2016 10:41 pm

West Verrica wrote:
Drown wrote:I do to, but we shouldn't tax it.

What alternative protections for individuals personal property are you suggesting?

Guns, mines, stern warnings, tanks, booby traps.

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