[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread III

[Arumdaum]

My mom and I just voted for Bernie Sanders through mail. We're both first-time voters. I guess we both turned white today.

Also, voted for some provisions and other races. Voted against incumbent senator, who voted to try to make English the official language of the US, abolish the estate tax, encourage study of flat taxes, and voted to lower capital-gains taxes, in favor of a relative nobody who is more progressive.

Voted against incumbent representative who is a Blue Dog.

Voted for the incumbent governor, though.

My sister is also going to vote for Sanders, and my dad would also vote for him, but he's in Korea, and doesn't want to register as a Democrat (he calls Republicans "the billionaire party," and the Democrats the "the millionaire party). We currently live in Oregon, which has a closed primary. He voted for John Kerry in 2004, but he said that was only because he wanted to express how much he didn't like George W. Bush.

Wyden is a really mixed bag. He's the most liberal Senator if you look at some of his policy positions, and one of the most centrist ones if you look at others. (Especially liberal on social and military issues iirc, more moderate on economic issues, if I remember correctly.) I can't see him ever losing re-election, though.

Yeah, I actually don't expect any of the challengers I voted for to win their races, haha. It'd be a pleasant surprise if the guy I voted for as representative won his primary, but considering the the Cook PVI here is close, I'd be scared about him losing in the general election.

[USS Monitor]

My mom and I just voted for Bernie Sanders through mail. We're both first-time voters. I guess we both turned white today.

Also, voted for some provisions and other races. Voted against incumbent senator, who voted to try to make English the official language of the US, abolish the estate tax, encourage study of flat taxes, and voted to lower capital-gains taxes, in favor of a relative nobody who is more progressive.

It's the primaries. This dude is a Democrat?

You clearly need a new Senator.

[AiliailiA]

My mom and I just voted for Bernie Sanders through mail. We're both first-time voters. I guess we both turned white today.

Also, voted for some provisions and other races. Voted against incumbent senator, who voted to try to make English the official language of the US, abolish the estate tax, encourage study of flat taxes, and voted to lower capital-gains taxes, in favor of a relative nobody who is more progressive.

It's the primaries. This dude is a Democrat?

You clearly need a new Senator.

Check for yourself. Pro-choice, pro gun control, pro nationalized healthcare, pro raising minimum wage ... he's a Democrat.

According to that, he also opposed the cut to estate tax and voted against extending the "bush tax cut" on capital-gains.

In all, I'm not even sure Arum is talking about the same Senator.

[Ashmoria]

weird.

does that mean that if you had written in his name it wouldn't even have been tallied anymore than if you had written in mickey mouse?

It would have effectively spoiled the ballot, and there were important local primaries and for my house seat. It was frustrating, but to be fair, I badly lost the argument in this primary ages ago. It's not as if I have to belabor the point any further.

wow that sucks. its a good thing you found out before you messed up your whole ballot.

[Guy]

It's the primaries. This dude is a Democrat?

You clearly need a new Senator.

Check for yourself. Pro-choice, pro gun control, pro nationalized healthcare, pro raising minimum wage ... he's a Democrat.

According to that, he also opposed the cut to estate tax and voted against extending the "bush tax cut" on capital-gains.

In all, I'm not even sure Arum is talking about the same Senator.

He does want to repeal the Estate Tax, as he believes it to be an inefficient tax, according to WP. Which, in its current formulation, is true.

The issue with the US tax system is that it's badly broken. Especially taxes that hit the rich more. Leftists can advocate for fixing it, but it's possible that a smaller (yet still sizeable) and more realistic victory would be to replace those taxes with ones which on their face seem less equitable, but also are much harder to get around.

[USS Monitor]

It's the primaries. This dude is a Democrat?

You clearly need a new Senator.

Check for yourself. Pro-choice, pro gun control, pro nationalized healthcare, pro raising minimum wage ... he's a Democrat.

According to that, he also opposed the cut to estate tax and voted against extending the "bush tax cut" on capital-gains.

In all, I'm not even sure Arum is talking about the same Senator.

I'll just let people who actually live there figure it out...

[Guy]

@Ailailia: I think CD-1 in Connecticut could turn out to be extremely close to 5-3 ... AP has already (implicitly) called it as 4-4 by calling all delegates, but I'm not convinced. The 'missing votes' from TGP are almost entirely from CD-1, and they broke strongly to Hillary. Will be interesting to see when the results get certified.

Okay, scratch that. Looked at results on a township level.

4.4-3.6.

[Theodolia]

My mom and I just voted for Bernie Sanders through mail. We're both first-time voters. I guess we both turned white today.

Also, voted for some provisions and other races. Voted against incumbent senator, who voted to try to make English the official language of the US, abolish the estate tax, encourage study of flat taxes, and voted to lower capital-gains taxes, in favor of a relative nobody who is more progressive.

It's the primaries. This dude is a Democrat?

You clearly need a new Senator.

Wyden is alright for the most part, he's definitely more centrist than Merkley though. But the only major issue that comes to mind that they disagree on is trade. He's definitely floated some pretty conservative sounding ideas about taxes and things over the years, most notably was the whole Medicare voucherization thing that never got anywhere.

[USS Monitor]

It's the primaries. This dude is a Democrat?

You clearly need a new Senator.

Wyden is alright for the most part, he's definitely more centrist than Merkley though. But the only major issue that comes to mind that they disagree on is trade. He's definitely floated some pretty conservative sounding ideas about taxes and things over the years, most notably was the whole Medicare voucherization thing that never got anywhere.

Any time I hear politicians talking about vouchers, regardless what the vouchers are intended to be used for, it always sets off pseudo-libertarian bullshit alarms for me.

[Kelinfort]

Wyden is alright for the most part, he's definitely more centrist than Merkley though. But the only major issue that comes to mind that they disagree on is trade. He's definitely floated some pretty conservative sounding ideas about taxes and things over the years, most notably was the whole Medicare voucherization thing that never got anywhere.

Any time I hear politicians talking about vouchers, regardless what the vouchers are intended to be used for, it always sets off pseudo-libertarian bullshit alarms for me.

That must blare whenever you see me

[AiliailiA]

Wyden is alright for the most part, he's definitely more centrist than Merkley though. But the only major issue that comes to mind that they disagree on is trade. He's definitely floated some pretty conservative sounding ideas about taxes and things over the years, most notably was the whole Medicare voucherization thing that never got anywhere.

Any time I hear politicians talking about vouchers, regardless what the vouchers are intended to be used for, it always sets off pseudo-libertarian bullshit alarms for me.

Maybe they should call it something else. "Voucher" does sound cheap, like something you'd hand over to get 5% off.

[AiliailiA]

Check for yourself. Pro-choice, pro gun control, pro nationalized healthcare, pro raising minimum wage ... he's a Democrat.

According to that, he also opposed the cut to estate tax and voted against extending the "bush tax cut" on capital-gains.

In all, I'm not even sure Arum is talking about the same Senator.

He does want to repeal the Estate Tax, as he believes it to be an inefficient tax, according to WP. Which, in its current formulation, is true.

There's no citation for that in Wikipedia. The next citation after that is #58 (Wyden's page on Senate.org, which won't even load for me) and in any case is in the next paragraph about corporate taxes.

On Votesmart he's shown as voting Nay on repealing the estate tax: HR 5970, in 2006.

And back in 2000 (also mentioned in the on-the-issues link I gave) he voted against an amendment which would grandfather gifts of property to avoid the estate tax, up until 2009: Votesmart again, the link leads to the library of Congress but is a pdf.

Now I have to say this about the site ontheissues, it once was great but is seriously lacking on recent updates. It's quite possible Wyden has wandered off down Galt's Gulch and it hasn't been picked up by the site.

*snip*
In all, I'm not even sure Arum is talking about the same Senator.

I'll just let people who actually live there figure it out...

Yeah. Guy and I can scour the sources and give our "informed" opinions about Ron Wyden, but the opinions that count are the opinions of voters in Oregon.

[Geilinor]

He does want to repeal the Estate Tax, as he believes it to be an inefficient tax, according to WP. Which, in its current formulation, is true.

There's no citation for that in Wikipedia. The next citation after that is #58 (Wyden's page on Senate.org, which won't even load for me) and in any case is in the next paragraph about corporate taxes.

On Votesmart he's shown as voting Nay on repealing the estate tax: HR 5970, in 2006.

And back in 2000 (also mentioned in the on-the-issues link I gave) he voted against an amendment which would grandfather gifts of property to avoid the estate tax, up until 2009: Votesmart again, the link leads to the library of Congress but is a pdf.

Now I have to say this about the site ontheissues, it once was great but is seriously lacking on recent updates. It's quite possible Wyden has wandered off down Galt's Gulch and it hasn't been picked up by the site.

He's a pretty progressive Democrat, he voted against the war in Iraq and against re-authorizing the Patriot Act. He has centrist views on taxes and there's a lone citation to voting on making English an official language, which won't load.

[USS Monitor]

Any time I hear politicians talking about vouchers, regardless what the vouchers are intended to be used for, it always sets off pseudo-libertarian bullshit alarms for me.

Maybe they should call it something else. "Voucher" does sound cheap, like something you'd hand over to get 5% off.

I just think the whole concept is overused no matter what you call it.

[Shrillland]

Senate aside, I expect Bernie will win Oregon when the counting starts in 2 1/2 weeks, but it'll be his last big prize.

[Corrian]

Senate aside, I expect Bernie will win Oregon when the counting starts in 2 1/2 weeks, but it'll be his last big prize.

I expect Oregon to be a pretty clear win for him, like Washington. California I honestly expect to be close. I don't really know what will happen there yet.

So yeah, Oregon will probably be his last substantial win.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Anybody watch the Correspondents dinner? Because Larry Wilmore just finished with "Yo Barry, you did it my nigga" which followed Obama literally dropping the microphone and saying "Obama out!"

This was the most 2016 thing I've ever seen.

[Arumdaum]

Anybody watch the Correspondents dinner? Because Larry Wilmore just finished with "Yo Barry, you did it my nigga" which followed Obama literally dropping the microphone and saying "Obama out!"

This was the most 2016 thing I've ever seen.

Anywhere where you can see it from the beginning?

[The United Territories of Providence]

Anybody watch the Correspondents dinner? Because Larry Wilmore just finished with "Yo Barry, you did it my nigga" which followed Obama literally dropping the microphone and saying "Obama out!"

This was the most 2016 thing I've ever seen.

Anywhere where you can see it from the beginning?

It'll probably rerun on CSPAN and CNN tonight. But if that's too late for you, try literally everywhere on Youtube by about noon tomorrow.

[Corrian]

"Bernie Sanders, you look like a million dollars. Or in terms that you can understand, 37,000 donations of $27"

OH SNAP

I like how Obama called Sanders the new face of the Democratic party.

[Geilinor]

I like how Obama called Sanders the new face of the Democratic party.

That was the joke - he said "young, new face".

[Corrian]

This is hilarious

I like how Obama called Sanders the new face of the Democratic party.

That was the joke - he said "young, new face".

Hah, I missed the young part.

[Myrensis]

Anybody watch the Correspondents dinner? Because Larry Wilmore just finished with "Yo Barry, you did it my nigga" which followed Obama literally dropping the microphone and saying "Obama out!"

This was the most 2016 thing I've ever seen.

I died when he was watching Toy Story with John Boehner.

Hillary's Correspondents Dinners will certainly be a lot less entertaining.

But I'm actually kind of horrified at the thought of Donald doing one. "Have I mentioned today how fat and stupid and ugly Megyn Kelly is? What's up with that? Why aren't you laughing, you bunch of low energy losers!"

[Arumdaum]

This is hilarious

That was the joke - he said "young, new face".

Hah, I missed the young part.

saw that part twice, pretty sure he didn't say young

[The Romulan Republic]

Anybody watch the Correspondents dinner? Because Larry Wilmore just finished with "Yo Barry, you did it my nigga" which followed Obama literally dropping the microphone and saying "Obama out!"

This was the most 2016 thing I've ever seen.

I died when he was watching Toy Story with John Boehner.

Hillary's Correspondents Dinners will certainly be a lot less entertaining.

But I'm actually kind of horrified at the thought of Donald doing one. "Have I mentioned today how fat and stupid and ugly Megyn Kelly is? What's up with that? Why aren't you laughing, you bunch of low energy losers!"

Couldn't they just broadcast old footage of Nazi rallies and have much the same effect as a Donald dinner?