Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Hesse Darmstadt]

It is though.

No it is not. Or do you consider killing in self-defense to be murder?

Killing in self-defense is murder that is justified, killing by abortion is murder that is unjustified.

[The V O I D]

No it is not. Or do you consider killing in self-defense to be murder?

Killing in self-defense is murder that is justified, killing by abortion is murder that is unjustified.

So a woman wanting to control her body is unjustified? Also, it isn't murder.

Murder requires it to be illegal, and it requires it to have malicious intent. Wanting to control your own body is not malicious intent.

Therefor, not murder.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No it is not. Or do you consider killing in self-defense to be murder?

Killing in self-defense is murder that is justified

By definition that is an oxymoron.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

No it is not. Or do you consider killing in self-defense to be murder?

Killing in self-defense is murder that is justified, killing by abortion is murder that is unjustified.

Murder is inherently unjustified. The better way of saying it is "Killing in self defense is taking of a life that is justified."

Also, abortion being murder would require for a fetus to be a human being, which, considering its physical attachment and dependency on the mother, it isn't.

[Hesse Darmstadt]

Killing in self-defense is murder that is justified, killing by abortion is murder that is unjustified.

So a woman wanting to control her body is unjustified? Also, it isn't murder.

Murder requires it to be illegal, and it requires it to have malicious intent. Wanting to control your own body is not malicious intent.

Therefor, not murder.

Its not her own body though, the fetus is its own being.

[Godular]

No it is not. Or do you consider killing in self-defense to be murder?

Killing in self-defense is murder that is justified, killing by abortion is murder that is unjustified.

You are incorrect. The two situations are very much the same. The woman can defend herself from an attacker, and if a fetus is in her body without her permission, it is every bit as much of an attacker.

As stated before, while all murders are killings, not all killings are murder. You need to understand this.

[Hesse Darmstadt]

Killing in self-defense is murder that is justified

By definition that is an oxymoron.

How so?

[The V O I D]

So a woman wanting to control her body is unjustified? Also, it isn't murder.

Murder requires it to be illegal, and it requires it to have malicious intent. Wanting to control your own body is not malicious intent.

Therefor, not murder.

Its not her own body though, the fetus is its own being.

It resides inside her body, and uses her body's resources, and uses her as a toilet.

She is under constant threat of numerous health complications and issues, even in the safest of pregnancies.

And the fetus is semi-parasitic in nature, using the mother to create itself.

Because it uses her body, she has a right to say "no" and not consent to that usage. The fact this results in the fetus' death is an unfortunate side effect.

[Godular]

So a woman wanting to control her body is unjustified? Also, it isn't murder.

Murder requires it to be illegal, and it requires it to have malicious intent. Wanting to control your own body is not malicious intent.

Therefor, not murder.

Its not her own body though, the fetus is its own being.

The fetus is using the woman's body without her consent. Its rights end the instant they impose upon those of another.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

By definition that is an oxymoron.

How so?

If it can be justified in the eyes of the law, then it's no longer murder. Abortion can be justified in the eyes of the law, so it's not murder.

[Vedilia]

I'll wait until my pregnant lady decides she wants one to make a decision.
Otherwise I don't care.

[Hesse Darmstadt]

Its not her own body though, the fetus is its own being.

It resides inside her body, and uses her body's resources, and uses her as a toilet.

She is under constant threat of numerous health complications and issues, even in the safest of pregnancies.

And the fetus is semi-parasitic in nature, using the mother to create itself.

Because it uses her body, she has a right to say "no" and not consent to that usage. The fact this results in the fetus' death is an unfortunate side effect.

So you believe that a human not fully developed is a parasite and that a woman gets to play god in this certain human's life?

[Godular]

It resides inside her body, and uses her body's resources, and uses her as a toilet.

She is under constant threat of numerous health complications and issues, even in the safest of pregnancies.

And the fetus is semi-parasitic in nature, using the mother to create itself.

Because it uses her body, she has a right to say "no" and not consent to that usage. The fact this results in the fetus' death is an unfortunate side effect.

So you believe that a human not fully developed is a parasite and that a woman gets to play god in this certain human's life?

It is parasitic in nature. That being said, exercising one's right to control their own body does not in any way constitute 'playing god' and it is wrong to frame it so.

[Hesse Darmstadt]

So you believe that a human not fully developed is a parasite and that a woman gets to play god in this certain human's life?

It is parasitic in nature. That being said, exercising one's right to control their own body does not in any way constitute 'playing god' and it is wrong to frame it so.

You just proved my point.

[The V O I D]

It resides inside her body, and uses her body's resources, and uses her as a toilet.

She is under constant threat of numerous health complications and issues, even in the safest of pregnancies.

And the fetus is semi-parasitic in nature, using the mother to create itself.

Because it uses her body, she has a right to say "no" and not consent to that usage. The fact this results in the fetus' death is an unfortunate side effect.

So you believe that a human not fully developed is a parasite and that a woman gets to play god in this certain human's life?

She isn't playing god. It is her body, her resources. If she doesn't consent to the fetus' usage of her body's space and her body's resources, then she has every right to remove it, as that is the only way to stop it from using her body's space and her body's resources.

And yes, it is parasitic in nature, because actual parasites do the same thing.

[Godular]

It is parasitic in nature. That being said, exercising one's right to control their own body does not in any way constitute 'playing god' and it is wrong to frame it so.

You just proved my point.

No I didn't. 'Parasitic in nature' and 'is a parasite' are not the same thing. A rapist is parasitic in nature too.

[Grave_n_idle]

Abortion is not murder, by definition. So, the abortion of a fetus is perfectly fine.

Also, bodily sovereignty is a thing. If we say that the unborn have more rights than the born person they are residing within; then we also must say that, because life is more important than sovereignty, all born people who aren't dying or aren't in need of both their kidneys, a chunk of their liver, or their bonemarrow or blood, etc. must be rounded up to give their organs and shit that they can live without to people who are about to die without those organs.

You do realize that most abortions happen when the Fetus is almost fully developed right?

That rather depends on what you mean by 'fully developed'. Statistically, the number of abortions beyond about 16 weeks is negligible.

[Felrik]

Personally I think that if the women gets to chose whether or not to have the baby, then the man gets to decide whether or not to walk away from the affair without the threat of having to pay child support.
With some restrictions of course, such as, if he is unable to come to a decision on whether to walk away or stay by the time the baby is born ( Or gain consciousnesses. Or some type of life ) he is required to take care of the baby or pay child support.
Same with women, if she is unable to come to a conclusion by the time it gains a consciousness or some form of life, she will have to take it, In my opinion.

[Ashmoria]

It is not murder to for a woman to prevent her body from being used by another against her will.

A woman should not have a special right to murder another human being though.

yeah she should because a woman has the same right as a man does to control her own body.

[The Alma Mater]

It is not murder to for a woman to prevent her body from being used by another against her will.

A woman should not have a special right to murder another human being though.

What's special about it ? If I would need to be hooked up to you for 9 months to survive, to your detriment and discomfort, you would be allowed to refuse. Same as a woman.
Heck, if all I need is your kidney you are still allowed to say "no".

[Neutraligon]

No it is not. Or do you consider killing in self-defense to be murder?

Killing in self-defense is murder that is justified, killing by abortion is murder that is unjustified.

Incorrect killing in self defense is homicide.

[The newfound islands]

well here are some videos for all of you pro-choicers and I want y'all to watch them then I dare to say that y'all are still pro-[murder]choice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74uCPznaFOU




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozp0Tvyuyo




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RXK6nNCK3M

I find it funny you think it's murder when it just advocates bodily sovereignty.

so you did not watch the videos i'm guessing.

[The newfound islands]

So you believe that the murder of a fetus is okay?

It's not murder, because it's legal.

it is murder and it should not be legal.

[Ashmoria]

I find it funny you think it's murder when it just advocates bodily sovereignty.

so you did not watch the videos i'm guessing.

only a fool blindly watches videos posted in an abortion thread.

[The newfound islands]

A woman should not have a special right to murder another human being though.

yeah she should because a woman has the same right as a man does to control her own body.

so you think that killing an unborn baby should be a right that's sick.