2017 Canadian Politics Megathread - Sesquicentennial Edition

[MERIZoC]

Michael Chong is still my guy. Though he'll probably lose. Regardless of whomever is the leader in 2020 will probably lose.

If the Liberal fuck up, and the Tories put in a good showing, the left-wing vote could be split like it was when Harper was in office.

We'll hopefully have a decent voting system by that point.

[Oneracon]

Michael Chong is still my guy. Though he'll probably lose. Regardless of whomever is the leader in 2020 will probably lose.

If the Liberal fuck up, and the Tories put in a good showing, the left-wing vote could be split like it was when Harper was in office.

*crosses fingers, toes, various other parts of anatomy for new voting system in 2019*

[Napkiraly]

People forget that a sizeable chunk of the Liberal vote consists of centre-right supporters that are less economically neoliberal, if at all (basically Red Tories) and a new electoral system could easily see them gain a significant presence in federal politics, if not outright forming a government at some point.

[Oneracon]

People forget that a sizeable chunk of the Liberal vote consists of centre-right supporters that are less economically neoliberal, if at all (basically Red Tories) and a new electoral system could easily see them gain a significant presence in federal politics, if not outright forming a government at some point.

I would love to see a nice realignment of the political system if we get a system like MMP, transform the big tent parties into coalitions made up of distinct parties.

[Napkiraly]

People forget that a sizeable chunk of the Liberal vote consists of centre-right supporters that are less economically neoliberal, if at all (basically Red Tories) and a new electoral system could easily see them gain a significant presence in federal politics, if not outright forming a government at some point.

I would love to see a nice realignment of the political system if we get a system like MMP, transform the big tent parties into coalitions made up of distinct parties.

I mean, it certainly has its cons. For example, a number of SPD activists I've met loathe how they have to be quite moderate to even get what they're getting now and to continuously be in a coalition with the CDU. Then again, everyone thinks we will have MMP. We could very well have a parallel voting system, similar to that which exists in South Korea for example or a majority bonus system.

[Oneracon]

I would love to see a nice realignment of the political system if we get a system like MMP, transform the big tent parties into coalitions made up of distinct parties.

I mean, it certainly has its cons. For example, a number of SPD activists I've met loathe how they have to be quite moderate to even get what they're getting now and to continuously be in a coalition with the CDU. Then again, everyone thinks we will have MMP. We could very well have a parallel voting system, similar to that which exists in South Korea for example or a majority bonus system.

Well the way the committee is going it seems that if they're going for some degree of proportionality, so they're probably going to go for some flavour of MMP or STV.

Also fwiw SPD doesn't have to stay in coalition with CDU... the leadership simply chose to. After the 2013 election the SPD could have formed a coalition with Die Linke and the Greens.

[Geilinor]

I mean, it certainly has its cons. For example, a number of SPD activists I've met loathe how they have to be quite moderate to even get what they're getting now and to continuously be in a coalition with the CDU. Then again, everyone thinks we will have MMP. We could very well have a parallel voting system, similar to that which exists in South Korea for example or a majority bonus system.

Well the way the committee is going it seems that if they're going for some degree of proportionality, so they're probably going to go for some flavour of MMP or STV.

Also fwiw SPD doesn't have to stay in coalition with CDU... the leadership simply chose to. After the 2013 election the SPD could have formed a coalition with Die Linke and the Greens.

Would Die Linke be okay with that? When the SPD was in government the last time, it was only the SPD and the Greens.

[The Liberated Territories]

If the Liberal fuck up, and the Tories put in a good showing, the left-wing vote could be split like it was when Harper was in office.

*crosses fingers, toes, various other parts of anatomy for new voting system in 2019*

ditto

[MERIZoC]

Well the way the committee is going it seems that if they're going for some degree of proportionality, so they're probably going to go for some flavour of MMP or STV.

Also fwiw SPD doesn't have to stay in coalition with CDU... the leadership simply chose to. After the 2013 election the SPD could have formed a coalition with Die Linke and the Greens.

Would Die Linke be okay with that? When the SPD was in government the last time, it was only the SPD and the Greens.

Think other way around. SPD doesnt like the lefties and will do whatever they can to keep them out of government.

[Yorkers]

If Trump becomes president, I imagine Trudeau is going to extreme lengths to portray himself as a Canadian anti-Trump.

Imagine the Canadian anti-Americanism from the Bush era, but on steroids.

[Camicon]

If Trump becomes president, I imagine Trudeau is going to extreme lengths to portray himself as a Canadian anti-Trump.

Imagine the Canadian anti-Americanism from the Bush era, but on steroids.

If Trump becomes president, every single bit of shade that Trudeau throws at him will be well-deserved and entirely warranted.

[Oneracon]

If Trump becomes president, I imagine Trudeau is going to extreme lengths to portray himself as a Canadian anti-Trump.

Imagine the Canadian anti-Americanism from the Bush era, but on steroids.

If anything, Trudeau should take a page from Trump's playbook and build a wall along our southern border. /jk

But seriously, like Camicon said, any anti-Americanism that is rooted in a Trump presidency will be entirely deserved.

[Geilinor]

Would Die Linke be okay with that? When the SPD was in government the last time, it was only the SPD and the Greens.

Think other way around. SPD doesnt like the lefties and will do whatever they can to keep them out of government.

Right, it's all the SPD's fault. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/angela-merkel-grand-coalition-germany

A coalition between the SPD, the Greens and Die Linke would achieve an overall majority over Merkel's party and its Bavarian sister-party, the CSU, but any coalition with Die Linke is still considered a taboo because of some of its politicians' links to the old communist GDR regime.

Die Linke has links and openly maintains sympathy for the East German dictatorship.

[MERIZoC]

Think other way around. SPD doesnt like the lefties and will do whatever they can to keep them out of government.

Right, it's all the SPD's fault. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/angela-merkel-grand-coalition-germany

A coalition between the SPD, the Greens and Die Linke would achieve an overall majority over Merkel's party and its Bavarian sister-party, the CSU, but any coalition with Die Linke is still considered a taboo because of some of its politicians' links to the old communist GDR regime.

Die Linke has links and openly maintains sympathy for the East German dictatorship.

Thanks for confirming what I said?

[Wolfmanne2]

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/10/02/tr ... ogressives

Total agreement here. Trudeau was a total con but seeing that the NDP are going through their Leap Manifesto rubbish and are probably going to elect a stopgap between Mulcair and whoever brings the NDP back seat-winning status, guess Canadian left-leaners are stuck with him.

[Oneracon]

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/10/02/trudeau-is-betraying-progressives?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=recommend-button&utm_campaign=Trudeau+is+betraying+progressives

Total agreement here. Trudeau was a total con but seeing that the NDP are going through their Leap Manifesto rubbish and are probably going to elect a stopgap between Mulcair and whoever brings the NDP back seat-winning status, guess Canadian left-leaners are stuck with him.

I called it that he would pull a Kathleen Wynne.

Also... never thought I'd agree with something published by that burning dumpster fire that is Postmedia.

[MERIZoC]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-revocation-trudeau-harper-1.3795733
"Trudeau government revoking citizenship at much higher rate than Conservatives"

Yet again we see the Liberals blatant hypocrisy, criticizing the government for something while in opposition, and then doing the same thing while in government. Shameful.

[White Chrobatia]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-revocation-trudeau-harper-1.3795733
"Trudeau government revoking citizenship at much higher rate than Conservatives"

Yet again we see the Liberals blatant hypocrisy, criticizing the government for something while in opposition, and then doing the same thing while in government. Shameful.

If you're not being sarcastic, why are you surprised? It's Canadian politics, where both the Conservatives and the Liberals jockey for power and are willing to say literally anything to win.

[The Romulan Republic]

If Trump becomes president, I imagine Trudeau is going to extreme lengths to portray himself as a Canadian anti-Trump.

Imagine the Canadian anti-Americanism from the Bush era, but on steroids.

If anything, Trudeau should take a page from Trump's playbook and build a wall along our southern border. /jk

But seriously, like Camicon said, any anti-Americanism that is rooted in a Trump presidency will be entirely deserved.

I disagree very strongly.

Anti-Americanism refers to condemning and hating the entire country, and/or Americans collectively. That is wrong.

If, God forbid, Trump won, he would win with about half, possibly a good deal less when you factor in minor candidates, of voters. That not only leaves out all the people who didn't vote or squandered their votes on third party/independent candidates who couldn't defeat him (who would also deserve some, though less, blame), but all those who voted for Clinton, and all those who couldn't vote (minors, felons, non-citizen residents, etc.).

I will never condone collective guilt. Hating a nation and its people for the actions of some of its citizens is bigotry, plain and simple. Its rather Trumpian, actually.

Of course, those who are looking for someone to hate, or an excuse to hate, can always find a reason. Anti-Americanism was bleated loudly by millions long before Trump ran for President.

[MERIZoC]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-revocation-trudeau-harper-1.3795733
"Trudeau government revoking citizenship at much higher rate than Conservatives"

Yet again we see the Liberals blatant hypocrisy, criticizing the government for something while in opposition, and then doing the same thing while in government. Shameful.

If you're not being sarcastic, why are you surprised? It's Canadian politics, where both the Conservatives and the Liberals jockey for power and are willing to say literally anything to win.

I'm not surprised, just disappointed, doubly so because of the fact that Trudeaumania is still gripping the nation and any criticism of him will end up ignored.

[MERIZoC]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tony-clement-dropping-out-1.3801305
Tony Clement drops out of conservative leadership race.

[Oneracon]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tony-clement-dropping-out-1.3801305
Tony Clement drops out of conservative leadership race.

And Dr. Snitch Line Leitch is officially in too.

Coincidentally, she was the topic of last week's "Who Gets to Clean Up the Mess Stephen Harper Made?" segment on 22 Minutes > http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/videos/clip ... lie-leitch

(EDIT: Happy Merizoc? )

[MERIZoC]

So much for commitment to electoral reform it seems...

[Napkiraly]

So much for commitment to electoral reform it seems...

Trudeau knows he would never get a majority and would always have to form a coalition government. The Liberals got less of the popular vote than Harper did when he won his majority.

[MERIZoC]

So much for commitment to electoral reform it seems...

Trudeau knows he would never get a majority and would always have to form a coalition government. The Liberals got less of the popular vote than Harper did when he won his majority.

Indeed. If the scummy dickbaggery wasn't evident enough from the liberals, here you all are.