North Carolina Passes "Anti-LGBT" Bill

[Grenartia]

Snopes didn't say it was staged.

Well that's what I took from it. Otherwise its a video of a policeman arresting a young woman for absolutely no reason, and should be generating its own national news spotlight.

Yeah, well, that kind of flies out the window if you're dealing with a trans or gender-nonconforming person. For fucks' sakes, at least one transwoman (Tyra Hunter) has died due to gross negligence because the EMTs refused to treat her once they found out she was transgender (evidence presented during the trial indicated she would've had a 90% chance of surviving if she'd gotten treatment), and there wasn't a national news spotlight, at least that I can remember, or can tell. Basically, if you aren't cis and gender-conforming, you get treated like shit and hardly anybody gives a shit. That's starting to change, but is still the general rule.

[Scarlet Tides]

Bills/ideas like this would ensure even cis people get discriminated against lest they don't fall into someone's narrow definition of what a woman or man should look and act like.

[Grenartia]

I know I'm repeating myself, but I'll say it twice for good measure.

One thing which I don't get about this is that the people who attempt to justify this law make a claim, and a very specific claim, that this will endanger women and children to sexual predators, but they never seem to be able to 'prove' or 'provide evidence' for that claim, and in the states and cities which have had legislated laws allowing transgender bathroom access there has been no increase in offences, or even offences related to the abuse of the law, as they claim will occur.

Since they're making the claim that an event will occur, and yet they don't have any substantial evidence for it. The question comes to be as how they think that not having this law will prevent the predators, they claim will be empowered by such a law, from doing their crimes, and how the specific circumstance of not having such a law will cause them to be less likely or less able to do so.

Its a bit annoying when the people who need to prove their points with evidence not only blatantly ignore the existing evidence, but also use their baseless claims, and succeed in getting people to think they're right. Makes me think that, just maybe,

(Image)

There's an even bigger hole in the 'logic'. None of the supporters have come up with a solution (outside of gender neutral restrooms which no GOP politician or group thereof would be willing to fund the construction of) that guarantees trans people's safety. Which basically means that transmen have to use the women's room, and transwomen have to use the men's room. Which means any sexual predators who want to use the women's room no longer even have to pretend to be trans. They can just waltz right in, say they're transmen, and go about it.

Basically, in one foul swoop, they've made it EASIER for predators to perv on people in the bathroom.

[Genivaria]

I know I'm repeating myself, but I'll say it twice for good measure.

One thing which I don't get about this is that the people who attempt to justify this law make a claim, and a very specific claim, that this will endanger women and children to sexual predators, but they never seem to be able to 'prove' or 'provide evidence' for that claim, and in the states and cities which have had legislated laws allowing transgender bathroom access there has been no increase in offences, or even offences related to the abuse of the law, as they claim will occur.

Since they're making the claim that an event will occur, and yet they don't have any substantial evidence for it. The question comes to be as how they think that not having this law will prevent the predators, they claim will be empowered by such a law, from doing their crimes, and how the specific circumstance of not having such a law will cause them to be less likely or less able to do so.

Its a bit annoying when the people who need to prove their points with evidence not only blatantly ignore the existing evidence, but also use their baseless claims, and succeed in getting people to think they're right. Makes me think that, just maybe,

(Image)

There's an even bigger hole in the 'logic'. None of the supporters have come up with a solution (outside of gender neutral restrooms which no GOP politician or group thereof would be willing to fund the construction of) that guarantees trans people's safety. Which basically means that transmen have to use the women's room, and transwomen have to use the men's room. Which means any sexual predators who want to use the women's room no longer even have to pretend to be trans. They can just waltz right in, say they're transmen, and go about it.

Basically, in one foul swoop, they've made it EASIER for predators to perv on people in the bathroom.

This IS the same party that has a serious candidate who wants rape victims to bear their rapists children.

[Scarlet Tides]

Also the party of one Dennis Hastert, child molester esq., including letters to the judge from said party to be "lenient" on him.

[Vassenor]

Oh, there it is, the video I was just thinking of.

It isn't real. It's staged, if I recall.

According to Snopes, it was a real incident of that happening but it predates HB2 and the like by several months.

[The Alexanderians]

It isn't real. It's staged, if I recall.

According to Snopes, it was a real incident of that happening but it predates HB2 and the like by several months.

While I wouldn't suggest trusting snopes they are right that the video both predates HB2 and there isn't even evidence it takes place in NC.

[Noraika]

I know I'm repeating myself, but I'll say it twice for good measure.

One thing which I don't get about this is that the people who attempt to justify this law make a claim, and a very specific claim, that this will endanger women and children to sexual predators, but they never seem to be able to 'prove' or 'provide evidence' for that claim, and in the states and cities which have had legislated laws allowing transgender bathroom access there has been no increase in offences, or even offences related to the abuse of the law, as they claim will occur.

Since they're making the claim that an event will occur, and yet they don't have any substantial evidence for it. The question comes to be as how they think that not having this law will prevent the predators, they claim will be empowered by such a law, from doing their crimes, and how the specific circumstance of not having such a law will cause them to be less likely or less able to do so.

Its a bit annoying when the people who need to prove their points with evidence not only blatantly ignore the existing evidence, but also use their baseless claims, and succeed in getting people to think they're right. Makes me think that, just maybe,

(Image)

There's an even bigger hole in the 'logic'. None of the supporters have come up with a solution (outside of gender neutral restrooms which no GOP politician or group thereof would be willing to fund the construction of) that guarantees trans people's safety. Which basically means that transmen have to use the women's room, and transwomen have to use the men's room. Which means any sexual predators who want to use the women's room no longer even have to pretend to be trans. They can just waltz right in, say they're transmen, and go about it.

Basically, in one foul swoop, they've made it EASIER for predators to perv on people in the bathroom.

Haha! I hadn't thought about this, but that is a brilliant point to observe. Even IF the law required people to use the bathrooms of their birth certificate sex assigned at birth, as North Carolina and Mississippi have done, then by their reasoning this will still endanger women and children. With that said, they may just start to believe in even more radical 'solutions' to getting rid of transgender people, if they are forced to confront that fact.

Also, to be frankly honest, I don't think that Republicans really give a hoot about the safety of transwomen or transmen.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

There's an even bigger hole in the 'logic'. None of the supporters have come up with a solution (outside of gender neutral restrooms which no GOP politician or group thereof would be willing to fund the construction of) that guarantees trans people's safety. Which basically means that transmen have to use the women's room, and transwomen have to use the men's room. Which means any sexual predators who want to use the women's room no longer even have to pretend to be trans. They can just waltz right in, say they're transmen, and go about it.

Basically, in one foul swoop, they've made it EASIER for predators to perv on people in the bathroom.

Haha! I hadn't thought about this, but that is a brilliant point to observe. Even IF the law required people to use the bathrooms of their birth certificate sex assigned at birth, as North Carolina and Mississippi have done, then by their reasoning this will still endanger women and children. With that said, they may just start to believe in even more radical 'solutions' to getting rid of transgender people, if they are forced to confront that fact.

Also, to be frankly honest, I don't think that Republicans really give a hoot about the safety of transwomen or transmen.

They're Republicans. They don't give a shit about anyone's rights unless they are tucked safely in their mother's womb.

[Gauthier]

Haha! I hadn't thought about this, but that is a brilliant point to observe. Even IF the law required people to use the bathrooms of their birth certificate sex assigned at birth, as North Carolina and Mississippi have done, then by their reasoning this will still endanger women and children. With that said, they may just start to believe in even more radical 'solutions' to getting rid of transgender people, if they are forced to confront that fact.

Also, to be frankly honest, I don't think that Republicans really give a hoot about the safety of transwomen or transmen.

They're Republicans. They don't give a shit about anyone's rights unless they are tucked safely in their mother's womb.

And even then once those are squirted out it's "FUCK YOU MOOCHER YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN!!" if they're not from a wealthy WASP family.

[Linux and the X]

They're Republicans. They don't give a shit about anyone's rights unless they are tucked safely in their mother's womb.

And even then once those are squirted out it's "FUCK YOU MOOCHER YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN!!" if they're not from a wealthy WASP family.

Right. Only people enwombed.

[The Princes of the Universe]

And even then once those are squirted out it's "FUCK YOU MOOCHER YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN!!" if they're not from a wealthy WASP family.

Right. Only people enwombed.

Precisely why you really can't be pro-life and a Republican, although that's really a discussion for another thread.

[Kannap]

Another Kannupdate:

The U.S. Department of Justice made a statement today that North Carolina's HB2 is a violation of federal civil rights laws and cannot be enforced.

"The State is engaging in a pattern or practice of discrimination against transgender state employees and both you, in your official capacity, and the state are engaging in a pattern or practice of resistance" of their rights, [a letter from the Justice Department] said.

McCrory has declared this an attempt by the Obama administration to "extend a new requirement involving which bathrooms and locker rooms transgender people will be allowed to use." During a forum with the North Carolina Chamber of Commerce, McCrory stated, "This is no longer just a North Carolina issue, because this conclusion by the Department of Justice impacts every state." McCrory also decided to call this a "Washington overreach," similar to how he and state Republicans referred to the Charlotte ordinance as an "overreach."

House Speaker Tim Moore, who helped pass the law known as House Bill 2, said he would speak with McCrory and Senate leader Phil Berger about the state's legal options. Moore told reporters that the letter was an attempt by the Obama administration to "continue its radical left agenda" in his final months in office.

"This is a gross overreach by the Obama Justice Department that deserves to be struck down in federal court," Berger said in a news release.

The DOJ has also sent a letter to the University of North Carolina system, letting them know that the state law violates Title IX and that North Caroline could lose "hundreds of millions of dollars in federal school funding." So now the decision is for state leaders to decide to repeal HB2 or face being sued. McCrory and state leaders have been given until Monday to allow people to access the bathrooms of their gender identity. If this deadline is not met, the federal government will likely file a lawsuit against North Carolina to protect state employees from discrimination.

[Aphryss]

Bills/ideas like this would ensure even cis people get discriminated against lest they don't fall into someone's narrow definition of what a woman or man should look and act like.

I think a lot of transphobia is absolutely rooted in the idea that any violation of traditional gender roles is taboo; that this bill would also discriminate against people who don't fit that narrow definition is a feature, not a bug.

[Zeinbrad]

Another Kannupdate:

The U.S. Department of Justice made a statement today that North Carolina's HB2 is a violation of federal civil rights laws and cannot be enforced.

"The State is engaging in a pattern or practice of discrimination against transgender state employees and both you, in your official capacity, and the state are engaging in a pattern or practice of resistance" of their rights, [a letter from the Justice Department] said.

McCrory has declared this an attempt by the Obama administration to "extend a new requirement involving which bathrooms and locker rooms transgender people will be allowed to use." During a forum with the North Carolina Chamber of Commerce, McCrory stated, "This is no longer just a North Carolina issue, because this conclusion by the Department of Justice impacts every state." McCrory also decided to call this a "Washington overreach," similar to how he and state Republicans referred to the Charlotte ordinance as an "overreach."

House Speaker Tim Moore, who helped pass the law known as House Bill 2, said he would speak with McCrory and Senate leader Phil Berger about the state's legal options. Moore told reporters that the letter was an attempt by the Obama administration to "continue its radical left agenda" in his final months in office.

"This is a gross overreach by the Obama Justice Department that deserves to be struck down in federal court," Berger said in a news release.

The DOJ has also sent a letter to the University of North Carolina system, letting them know that the state law violates Title IX and that North Caroline could lose "hundreds of millions of dollars in federal school funding." So now the decision is for state leaders to decide to repeal HB2 or face being sued. McCrory and state leaders have been given until Monday to allow people to access the bathrooms of their gender identity. If this deadline is not met, the federal government will likely file a lawsuit against North Carolina to protect state employees from discrimination.

I hope the DOJ dropped to the mic after this.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Another Kannupdate:

The U.S. Department of Justice made a statement today that North Carolina's HB2 is a violation of federal civil rights laws and cannot be enforced.

"The State is engaging in a pattern or practice of discrimination against transgender state employees and both you, in your official capacity, and the state are engaging in a pattern or practice of resistance" of their rights, [a letter from the Justice Department] said.

McCrory has declared this an attempt by the Obama administration to "extend a new requirement involving which bathrooms and locker rooms transgender people will be allowed to use." During a forum with the North Carolina Chamber of Commerce, McCrory stated, "This is no longer just a North Carolina issue, because this conclusion by the Department of Justice impacts every state." McCrory also decided to call this a "Washington overreach," similar to how he and state Republicans referred to the Charlotte ordinance as an "overreach."

House Speaker Tim Moore, who helped pass the law known as House Bill 2, said he would speak with McCrory and Senate leader Phil Berger about the state's legal options. Moore told reporters that the letter was an attempt by the Obama administration to "continue its radical left agenda" in his final months in office.

"This is a gross overreach by the Obama Justice Department that deserves to be struck down in federal court," Berger said in a news release.

The DOJ has also sent a letter to the University of North Carolina system, letting them know that the state law violates Title IX and that North Caroline could lose "hundreds of millions of dollars in federal school funding." So now the decision is for state leaders to decide to repeal HB2 or face being sued. McCrory and state leaders have been given until Monday to allow people to access the bathrooms of their gender identity. If this deadline is not met, the federal government will likely file a lawsuit against North Carolina to protect state employees from discrimination.

I find the sheer hypocrisy they are engaging in hilarious.

Sure it's not an overreach when they pass laws that literally say "fuck everyone and their mothers", but when the Federal government tells them "fuck you and your ass" they whine about it like babies.

I have no sympathy for them.

[The Alexanderians]

Another Kannupdate:

The U.S. Department of Justice made a statement today that North Carolina's HB2 is a violation of federal civil rights laws and cannot be enforced.



McCrory has declared this an attempt by the Obama administration to "extend a new requirement involving which bathrooms and locker rooms transgender people will be allowed to use." During a forum with the North Carolina Chamber of Commerce, McCrory stated, "This is no longer just a North Carolina issue, because this conclusion by the Department of Justice impacts every state." McCrory also decided to call this a "Washington overreach," similar to how he and state Republicans referred to the Charlotte ordinance as an "overreach."



The DOJ has also sent a letter to the University of North Carolina system, letting them know that the state law violates Title IX and that North Caroline could lose "hundreds of millions of dollars in federal school funding." So now the decision is for state leaders to decide to repeal HB2 or face being sued. McCrory and state leaders have been given until Monday to allow people to access the bathrooms of their gender identity. If this deadline is not met, the federal government will likely file a lawsuit against North Carolina to protect state employees from discrimination.

I hope the DOJ dropped to the mic after this.

There was so much feedback already I don't think they needed too

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I sincerely hope that they lose the Federal money at least under McCrory and the current legislature.

If North Carolina doesn't vote out these idiots, they quite frankly deserve the same fate as Oklahoma.

[Zeinbrad]

I sincerely hope that they lose the Federal money at least under McCrory and the current legislature.

If North Carolina doesn't vote out these idiots, they quite frankly deserve the same fate as Oklahoma.

Oklahoma?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I sincerely hope that they lose the Federal money at least under McCrory and the current legislature.

If North Carolina doesn't vote out these idiots, they quite frankly deserve the same fate as Oklahoma.

Oklahoma?

Oklahoma is an economic catastrophe since they passed a bunch of ill-advised legislation on their side of the Red River. They just recently are making even deeper cuts in education and other industries, leaving them with no choice but to hire unlicensed teachers and other professionals.

They tried to pretend they could be a more right-wing evangelical Texas with none of our existing intrastate economy supporting them.

[Libertine States of America]

Oklahoma?

Oklahoma is an economic catastrophe since they passed a bunch of ill-advised legislation on their side of the Red River. They just recently are making even deeper cuts in education and other industries, leaving them with no choice but to hire unlicensed teachers and other professionals.

They tried to pretend they could be a more right-wing evangelical Texas with none of our existing intrastate economy supporting them.

Texas isn't much of a success, either. They're actually ranked worse than OK in pretty much every educational score statistic, so a superb economy controlled by dumbasses who don't know how to use it properly is the worst thing imaginable for the future of progress. NC isn't far behind, as well (except Wake county, which appears to be the South's Cambridge of sorts.)

[Philjia]

Ahem: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36208403

Victory. Or near enough; if there's one thing the US does well it's litigation, and the DoJ have just given everyone a golden ticket.

[The Alexanderians]

Ahem: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36208403

Victory. Or near enough; if there's one thing the US does well it's litigation, and the DoJ have just given everyone a golden ticket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdN0NXgjsn8

[Astrolinium]

Ahem: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36208403

Victory. Or near enough; if there's one thing the US does well it's litigation, and the DoJ have just given everyone a golden ticket.

Easy to call it a "victory" when you don't live here. The NCGA won't comply with this at all, which will result in a long road of litigation that, sure, could result in everything working out in the end, but until then could also lose the state federal funding for education, something the Republicans in the legislature won't lose a wink of sleep over, because all it's going to do is negatively impact the poor and minorities, including trans people: groups they already hate, as evidence by the existence of HB2 in the first place. It's a step forward, sure, and probably the only realistic step forward at this point, but I really wouldn't call it a "victory", not yet.

[Gauthier]

Ahem: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36208403

Victory. Or near enough; if there's one thing the US does well it's litigation, and the DoJ have just given everyone a golden ticket.

Easy to call it a "victory" when you don't live here. The NCGA won't comply with this at all, which will result in a long road of litigation that, sure, could result in everything working out in the end, but until then could also lose the state federal funding for education, something the Republicans in the legislature won't lose a wink of sleep over, because all it's going to do is negatively impact the poor and minorities, including trans people: groups they already hate, as evidence by the existence of HB2 in the first place. It's a step forward, sure, and probably the only realistic step forward at this point, but I really wouldn't call it a "victory", not yet.

Plus low education churns out future Republican voters.