NationStates

Nariterrr wrote:

Skyviolia wrote:I have never heard of an Antifa.

An Antifa is an anti-fascist. I am an Antifa myself.

An Antifa is an anarchist as well. They love chaos and turmoil.

Nordrgard wrote:

Nariterrr wrote:An Antifa is an anti-fascist. I am an Antifa myself.

An Antifa is an anarchist as well. They love chaos and turmoil.

Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

Nordrgard wrote:

The new fandom republic wrote:Every time europe gets politically divided,War happens. Guess what I believe is going to happen if communication and nonaligned european movements break down...

Time for the leftists to get on board with limiting the migration of young Muslim men into Europe or this will just keep escalating. If not, it's almost like they are asking for it.

I'd gladly escalate if it was to keep a bunch of white supremacists from gaining a single inch.

Nordrgard wrote:

The new fandom republic wrote:Every time europe gets politically divided,War happens. Guess what I believe is going to happen if communication and nonaligned european movements break down...

Time for the leftists to get on board with limiting the migration of young Muslim men into Europe or this will just keep escalating. If not, it's almost like they are asking for it.

why limit young muslim men?

Imperializt Russia wrote:

Zionatra wrote:When you really wish the holocaust hadn't happened so everyone doesn't brand you as a racist when you say you are a nationalist.

LOL no one who likes stormfront has ever been able to say that with a straight face.

Nationalism inherently devolves into worrisome racial argument at some point whether by design or not.

Possibly not if your nation is decidedly and firmly multi-ethnic. Mind you, such a thing has never happened, so that's speculation on my part.

Kincoboh wrote:

Nordrgard wrote:
An Antifa is an anarchist as well. They love chaos and turmoil.

Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

Chaos and termoil =/= Genocide and mass murder. Nazis and fascists prefer law and order, it tends to help keep them in power. Anarchists love chaos and termoil, since that is what their philosophy entails.

Camicon wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:Nationalism inherently devolves into worrisome racial argument at some point whether by design or not.

Possibly not if your nation is decidedly and firmly multi-ethnic. Mind you, such a thing has never happened, so that's speculation on my part.

Like Switzerland? Granted, they're all white ethnicity, but they immediately come to mind. But then again, they are pretty racist there too.

Nordrgard wrote:

Nariterrr wrote:An Antifa is an anti-fascist. I am an Antifa myself.

An Antifa is an anarchist as well. They love chaos and turmoil.

Nei, anarkistar ønskjar ikkje for "kaos" og "opprør." Kasta ikkje din oppfatningar inn i definisjonar.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Kincoboh wrote:Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

Chaos and termoil =/= Genocide and mass murder. Nazis and fascists prefer law and order, it tends to help keep them in power. Anarchists love chaos and termoil, since that is what their philosophy entails.

Anarchism isn't automatically chaos and disorder.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Kincoboh wrote:Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

Chaos and termoil =/= Genocide and mass murder. Nazis and fascists prefer law and order, it tends to help keep them in power. Anarchists love chaos and termoil, since that is what their philosophy entails.

Anarchy is chaos? yeah right!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2Dcqt0

Nordrgard wrote:

Nariterrr wrote:An Antifa is an anti-fascist. I am an Antifa myself.

An Antifa is an anarchist as well. They love chaos and turmoil.

''chaos and turmoil''

excuse me, please check up on your definition of anarchist.

Kincoboh wrote:

Camicon wrote:Possibly not if your nation is decidedly and firmly multi-ethnic. Mind you, such a thing has never happened, so that's speculation on my part.

Like Switzerland? Granted, they're all white ethnicity, but they immediately come to mind. But then again, they are pretty racist there too.

I meant in the sense of "not only white people, but black, brown, etc.". I think it would be difficult for a nationalist movement to be racist if a foundational characteristic of the state in question is it's multi-ethnic/multi-cultural demographics.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Kincoboh wrote:Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

Chaos and termoil =/= Genocide and mass murder. Nazis and fascists prefer law and order, it tends to help keep them in power. Anarchists love chaos and termoil, since that is what their philosophy entails.

Genocide and mass murder seem to fit under the umbrella of chaos and turmoil pretty well I think. You should check up what the political philosophy of anarchism means, because you're confusing the colloquial term (deliberately synonymous with chaos and turmoil) with the actual political definition.

Samnoreg wrote:

Nordrgard wrote:
An Antifa is an anarchist as well. They love chaos and turmoil.

Nei, anarkistar ønskjar ikkje for "kaos" og "opprør." Kasta ikkje din oppfatningar inn i definisjonar.

If all governments were abolished there would be chaos and small wars all over the place in a fight for power. New governments would eventually be established over smaller areas as groups form and fight against other groups.

Nordrgard wrote:

The new fandom republic wrote:Every time europe gets politically divided,War happens. Guess what I believe is going to happen if communication and nonaligned european movements break down...

Time for the leftists to get on board with limiting the migration of young Muslim men into Europe or this will just keep escalating. If not, it's almost like they are asking for it.

It's really not like that at all. It's more like you think we're threatened by fascists and will accede to their demands to secure peace in our time.

Seems things in most of Europe are really messed up.

The following photo seems to represent Europe today.

Camicon wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:Nationalism inherently devolves into worrisome racial argument at some point whether by design or not.

Possibly not if your nation is decidedly and firmly multi-ethnic. Mind you, such a thing has never happened, so that's speculation on my part.

That's half the point. Modern nationalist movements seem to think that their countries were much better before they started getting multi-ethnic, so it rather falls at the first hurdle.

Ifreann wrote:

Nordrgard wrote:
Time for the leftists to get on board with limiting the migration of young Muslim men into Europe or this will just keep escalating. If not, it's almost like they are asking for it.

It's really not like that at all. It's more like you think we're threatened by fascists and will accede to their demands to secure peace in our time.

We are threatened by fascists (islamic fascists), to secure peace we should stop meddling in middle eastern affairs and focus on securing Europe's borders. People who can't provide for themselves are only a drain on the economy. If you want to come here, you should be able to buy a plane ticket to get here and show that you have enough money in the bank to support yourself and not live on our tax money. We can't be the welfare office for the Muslim world.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Kincoboh wrote:Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

Chaos and termoil =/= Genocide and mass murder. Nazis and fascists prefer law and order, it tends to help keep them in power. Anarchists love chaos and termoil, since that is what their philosophy entails.

Only if you subscribe to the "fuck the Man" "philosophy" of anarchy.

Huh. And here I thought the good old United "God save the Queen" Kingdom would be impartial to the flow of refugees.
Given how they enjoy causing refugees to run in the first place.

Jochistan wrote:Antifa is pretty much a solidly "SJW" for lack of a better word. And seem to care more about extreme social liberalism than they care about Anarchism and economic inequality.

That's, actually, pretty much the left in a nutshell: Too busy protecting everyone's precious snowflake (even though said snowflake actually doesn't need protecting) to actually care about the events around them.

"Reports of women being raped en masse by refugees confir--"
"Are you saying something negative about refugees?"
"No, we are reporting multiple incidents where women are being raped and assaulted by refu--"
"You're not supposed to say anything bad about the refugees."
"But what about the safety of the women--"
"What about the feelings of the refugees, you racist?"

- European SJWs.... no, actually just SJWs in a nutshell.

Nordrgard wrote:
We are threatened by fascists (islamic fascists), to secure peace we should stop meddling in middle eastern affairs and focus on securing Europe's borders. People who can't provide for themselves are only a drain on the economy. If you want to come here, you should be able to buy a plane ticket to get here and show that you have enough money in the bank to support yourself and not live on our tax money. We can't be the welfare office for the Muslim world.

"B-b-b-b-but refugees!!!!"

Imperializt Russia wrote:

Camicon wrote:Possibly not if your nation is decidedly and firmly multi-ethnic. Mind you, such a thing has never happened, so that's speculation on my part.

That's half the point. Modern nationalist movements seem to think that their countries were much better before they started getting multi-ethnic, so it rather falls at the first hurdle.

It's moments like this that I can't help but feel extremely hopeful for Canada. Given the relatively unconsolidated nature of our national identity, there is the potential for the Canadian identity to be exactly what I described: multi-ethnic and founded on principles of multiculturalism. There's issues there to overcome, certainly, but if there is a nationalist movement that has the potential to avoid the racial pitfall, so to speak, it would be a Canadian one.

Deian salazar wrote:

Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:Huh. And here I thought the good old United "God save the Queen" Kingdom would be impartial to the flow of refugees.
Given how they enjoy causing refugees to run in the first place.


That's, actually, pretty much the left in a nutshell: Too busy protecting everyone's precious snowflake (even though said snowflake actually doesn't need protecting) to actually care about the events around them.

"Reports of women being raped en masse by refugees confir--"
"Are you saying something negative about refugees?"
"No, we are reporting multiple incidents where women are being raped and assaulted by refu--"
"You're not supposed to say anything bad about the refugees."
"But what about the safety of the women--"
"What about the feelings of the refugees, you racist?"

- European SJWs.... no, actually just SJWs in a nutshell.

^^^This.
It's so frustrating.
SJW's are not doing their job right imo.

Maybe they wouldn't be so hated if, um, they weren't so hellbent on forcing political correctness onto others and started defending those who are actually being threatened. So... yeah.

Rio Cana wrote:Seems things in most of Europe are really messed up.

The following photo seems to represent Europe today.

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Here in Europe we usually sort things out with a good war. You need fascists, reactionaries, imperialists etc. for a war, and sadly the sort we have today are content to wear ugly jackets and call brown people names. How are you supposed to have a war with that?

It's no wonder Europe is what it is today, the only way we know to resolve conflict has been taken away.

Nordrgard wrote:

Ifreann wrote:It's really not like that at all. It's more like you think we're threatened by fascists and will accede to their demands to secure peace in our time.

We are threatened by fascists (islamic fascists), to secure peace we should stop meddling in middle eastern affairs and focus on securing Europe's borders. People who can't provide for themselves are only a drain on the economy. If you want to come here, you should be able to buy a plane ticket to get here and show that you have enough money in the bank to support yourself and not live on our tax money. We can't be the welfare office for the Muslim world.

How dare we want to be decent people that don't want to let fellow human beings die!

Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:Huh. And here I thought the good old United "God save the Queen" Kingdom would be impartial to the flow of refugees.
Given how they enjoy causing refugees to run in the first place.

Jochistan wrote:Antifa is pretty much a solidly "SJW" for lack of a better word. And seem to care more about extreme social liberalism than they care about Anarchism and economic inequality.

That's, actually, pretty much the left in a nutshell: Too busy protecting everyone's precious snowflake (even though said snowflake actually doesn't need protecting) to actually care about the events around them.

"Reports of women being raped en masse by refugees confir--"
"Are you saying something negative about refugees?"
"No, we are reporting multiple incidents where women are being raped and assaulted by refu--"
"You're not supposed to say anything bad about the refugees."
"But what about the safety of the women--"
"What about the feelings of the refugees, you racist?"

- European SJWs.... no, actually just SJWs in a nutshell.

Nordrgard wrote:
We are threatened by fascists (islamic fascists), to secure peace we should stop meddling in middle eastern affairs and focus on securing Europe's borders. People who can't provide for themselves are only a drain on the economy. If you want to come here, you should be able to buy a plane ticket to get here and show that you have enough money in the bank to support yourself and not live on our tax money. We can't be the welfare office for the Muslim world.

"B-b-b-b-but refugees!!!!"

Crime is crime, and if you rape you should face the consequences. Despite of your strawman, I think there should be much more done to properly integrate refugees into western society. It's almost as if you believe that their refugee status is a bluff just to invade, rape, and steal. The western world has much of the blame for the conflict in the first place, so we ought to at the very least take some in. The Islamic fascists are the ones that these people are running away from in the first place.