California Independence Campaign

[Ifreann]

Is this like Fallout or something.

I don't believe California left the union in Fallout's backstory.

[Neo-Vinnland]

There is currently an effort by an organization by the name of Yes California to campaign for California's independence from the United States. This movement is on the move as they already have a candidate running for the 80th State Assembly District of the California National Party. Their reasons are plentiful but here are a few:

1. California pays excess sums of money to the federal government every FY and a lot of that money gets redistributed to other states instead of California. thus meaning less money for California's projects.
2. The state has some of the worst infrastructure in the nation but pays more in taxes than what it gets back.
3. The federal government allows certain companies like Nestle to extract water from California with permits that are expired and pay an annual fee of only about $500, and we are in a drought.
4. If taxes were kept in California it could fund the infrastructure projects we desperately need and other things such as unversal healthcare and free college education for all high school graduates.
5. California can implement a guest worker program to allow lawful immigration for those wanting to immigrate to California thus solving much of the illegal immigration problem.
6. California has rarely ever swayed a presidential election one way or the other.

An excerpt from the main page of their website:

"California is not a state. It is a nation lacking only the recognition from the international community that would make it a country. This campaign is about seeking that international recognition for our future country of California. Inspired by the people of Catalonia and other independence-seekers around the world, we intend to achieve our independence from the United States through honest referendum on the California ballot. The United States for decades has supported the right of self-determination for people around the world and we intend to hold them to their word here in California.

Why?

California was militarily annexed in 1846 and forced to join the Union in 1850. Since then California has grown significantly and has become the seventh largest economy in the world and the home of nearly forty million people. Additionally, California is a global center of innovation and technology, and a global leader in the fight against climate change. California has got what it takes to be the world's newest independent republic.

Beyond that we citizens of the United States are living in a post-constitutional era. The United States government is spying on its own people and militarizing our local police forces. We have seen presidents from both political parties use executive orders to circumvent the law, we have seen the Supreme Court rule that corporations can buy our elections, and we have seen the Congress capitulate its authority to the ever-growing imperial presidency. We have seen the Internal Revenue Service politicize the tax code, the National Parks Service mismanage our forests, the Environmental Protection Agency deny us access to our own water, and a justice system that continues to mass incarcerate our people, particularly the poor who cannot afford adequate legal representation. At the same time, our national debt has surpassed $18 trillion dollars even though the federal government is receiving record tax revenues, and our Nation's credit rating has been reduced for the first time in our history.

Where is all the money going? Not to our homeless, nor our sick. Not to our poor, nor our students. Not to our roads, nor our drought. Yet there are more than 100,000 homeless in California today, our country can't afford to provide universal health care like most other countries, there are people working forty hours a week and living in poverty, students are graduating under a mountain of debt, our roads are deteriorating, and our drought persists. At least the rich are getting richer and we might get to pick between the Clinton and Bush families for the next president. America is a mess and in decline.

Californians cannot trust the President, the Congress, or the Supreme Court to solve our problems. We cannot trust our financial institutions to engage in fair and ethical market practices. We cannot trust corporations to allow fair competition in the free market. We cannot even trust our own federal delegates to Washington to represent our needs. It is time to turn the page and write a new chapter in the story of California.

This new story is based upon the principle of the right of self-determination: that the people have the right to determine their own destiny. California's destiny lies in a future independent of the turmoil facing the United States. California's destiny lies in a future as a country that leads the world as it does today. The world looks to California for its leadership and California now looks to the world for recognition of its independence."

Feel free to express your whole opinion about is best for California. I would recommend reading the book to obtain a full perspective.

http://www.yescalifornia.org/
Book: http://www.yescalifornia.org/cf_2016
https://www.facebook.com/VoteCNP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_dEnZCU1o

I'd very much like California to stop being part of my country.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Yes, actually, it can.

The South left sparking the Civil War. Give me an example where a state could leave the union.

In the Texan consitution they allow it buts a long process same for California IIRC

[Vassenor]

The South left sparking the Civil War. Give me an example where a state could leave the union.

In the Texan consitution they allow it buts a long process same for California IIRC

The Texas Constitution doesn't actually include a "get out of the union free" clause.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

In the Texan consitution they allow it buts a long process same for California IIRC

The Texas Constitution doesn't actually include a "get out of the union free" clause.

It has something close though right?

[Vassenor]

The Texas Constitution doesn't actually include a "get out of the union free" clause.

It has something close though right?

It has a clause that allows the State of Texas to subdivide into five separate States without the approval of the Federal Government. Those new States are still part of the USA and are not independent though.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

It has something close though right?

It has a clause that allows the State of Texas to subdivide into five separate States without the approval of the Federal Government. Those new States are still part of the USA and are not independent though.

Oh

[Ifreann]

It has something close though right?

It has a clause that allows the State of Texas to subdivide into five separate States without the approval of the Federal Government. Those new States are still part of the USA and are not independent though.

I can't imagine that can possibly be valid, though. The Constitution is supreme and it gives the power to make new states to Congress.

[Vassenor]

It has a clause that allows the State of Texas to subdivide into five separate States without the approval of the Federal Government. Those new States are still part of the USA and are not independent though.

I can't imagine that can possibly be valid, though. The Constitution is supreme and it gives the power to make new states to Congress.

It probably isn't, but it's in the State Constitution anyway.

[Ifreann]

I can't imagine that can possibly be valid, though. The Constitution is supreme and it gives the power to make new states to Congress.

It probably isn't, but it's in the State Constitution anyway.

It just wouldn't be Texas if there wasn't some element of special lone-starflake about their constitution.

[Vassenor]

It probably isn't, but it's in the State Constitution anyway.

It just wouldn't be Texas if there wasn't some element of special lone-starflake about their constitution.

Well apparently the "no religious test" clause doesn't apply according to the Texas constitution.

[Parhe]

It probably isn't, but it's in the State Constitution anyway.

It just wouldn't be Texas if there wasn't some element of special lone-starflake about their constitution.

It isn't in the Texan constitution. It is, supposedly, in the Resolution of 1845 for the American annexation of Texas, which was approved by congress.

[Vassenor]

It just wouldn't be Texas if there wasn't some element of special lone-starflake about their constitution.

It isn't in the Texan constitution. It is, supposedly, in the Resolution of 1845 for the American annexation of Texas, which was approved by congress.

I stand corrected then.

[Arcturus Novus]

Has anyone answered how California is going to obtain a military? Like, establishing a Californian Army, Navy, etc. will be kind of hard when their hardare goes back to the American government.

[Wallenburg]

Has anyone answered how California is going to obtain a military? Like, establishing a Californian Army, Navy, etc. will be kind of hard when their hardare goes back to the American government.

We negotiate with the federal government to give us some of its military surplus. They get to buy weapons from our arms manufactures, we get to keep all federal installations in California.

[North Arkana]

I have an Idea...
1. I move out of California
2. California gets set free
3. 55 Democrat Electoral College votes go away (Because, here in California, your vote doesn't matter if you're a Conservative)
[They should split the EC votes here]
4. So does most of the immorality of the USA (Those 55 EC means a big population...)
5. Problem solved

So... California is a hive of scum and villainy like Mos Eisley, and Californians are by extension bad and immoral people?

[Greed and Death]

It has a clause that allows the State of Texas to subdivide into five separate States without the approval of the Federal Government. Those new States are still part of the USA and are not independent though.

I can't imagine that can possibly be valid, though. The Constitution is supreme and it gives the power to make new states to Congress.

Congress gave Texas the right to divide itself with the act that admitted Texas.

The text reads

And be it further resolved, That the foregoing consent of Congress is given upon the following conditions, to wit:...Third -- New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution

Peters, Richard, ed., The Public Statutes at Large of the United States of America, v.5, pp. 797-798, Boston, Chas. C. Little and Jas. Brown, 1850.

Statues of congress do not expire, and congress may in the run up to a division of Texas repeal the permission to subdivide the state.

[Uxupox]

Has anyone answered how California is going to obtain a military? Like, establishing a Californian Army, Navy, etc. will be kind of hard when their hardare goes back to the American government.

We negotiate with the federal government to give us some of its military surplus. They get to buy weapons from our arms manufactures, we get to keep all federal installations in California.

How exactly are you gonna handle the national guard?

[Kainesia]

NCR forever!

[Wallenburg]

We negotiate with the federal government to give us some of its military surplus. They get to buy weapons from our arms manufactures, we get to keep all federal installations in California.

How exactly are you gonna handle the national guard?

They will be more loyal to their families than the nation their people have seceded from. They will retire from the National Guard and join California's own independent military reserve.

[AiliailiA]

I can't imagine that can possibly be valid, though. The Constitution is supreme and it gives the power to make new states to Congress.

Congress gave Texas the right to divide itself with the act that admitted Texas.

The text reads

And be it further resolved, That the foregoing consent of Congress is given upon the following conditions, to wit:...Third -- New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution

Peters, Richard, ed., The Public Statutes at Large of the United States of America, v.5, pp. 797-798, Boston, Chas. C. Little and Jas. Brown, 1850.

Statues of congress do not expire, and congress may in the run up to a division of Texas repeal the permission to subdivide the state.

Right, Congress has already consented (without even knowing the boundaries of any new states, which is dumb) but can easily withdraw that consent by repealing the bill.

Nate Silver made a guess of how such a division might go (by equal population, in keeping with the provision "having sufficient population"), plugged in the county electoral results, and concluded:

Overall, dividing Texas into five states would probably slightly hurt Democrats in the Senate while slightly helping them in the Electoral College. That’s not much of a rationale for Republicans — or anyone, really — to mess with it.

[Ifreann]

Has anyone answered how California is going to obtain a military? Like, establishing a Californian Army, Navy, etc. will be kind of hard when their hardare goes back to the American government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_National_Guard

[New confederate ramenia]

Has anyone answered how California is going to obtain a military? Like, establishing a Californian Army, Navy, etc. will be kind of hard when their hardare goes back to the American government.

Take it from them when we secede.

[North Arkana]

Has anyone answered how California is going to obtain a military? Like, establishing a Californian Army, Navy, etc. will be kind of hard when their hardare goes back to the American government.

Take it from them when we secede.

You seriously think the US will let them just walk off with hundreds of millions in military equipment? No, they'd forcibly take it back if necessary and let the California militia or whatever it is they set up have some out of date cold war stuff.

[Costa Fierro]

Has anyone answered how California is going to obtain a military? Like, establishing a Californian Army, Navy, etc. will be kind of hard when their hardare goes back to the American government.

Buy from overseas. If there's countries lining up to sell arms to genocidal regimes, California would be easily able to acquire arms and equipment to meet its defensive needs.