Left-Wing Discussion Thread

[Mattopilos]

I think that is because she has more liberal views than Trump. I would hardly call her a liberal, though. She is centre right at best.

Centre right is liberal to me. Doesn't really matter what box we put them in though.

I agree. As for the point you are making on socialists with Felrick, I also agree. I would like to do more for the movement, if I had the time. At the moment, I am doing my best by expressing the views I hold and discussing them with others to clear up any misconceptions.

[Jochizyd Republic]

What do all y'all think of Hippies and the New Age movement?

I hate both.

I would prefer them to the modern feminists and other regressive leftists. The hippies actually cared about peace and brotherhood, even if they can be like Jill Stein sometimes with the delusional ideas on how the world works.

They are regressive leftists.

99% of the time.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Centre right is liberal to me. Doesn't really matter what box we put them in though.

I agree. As for the point you are making on socialists with Felrik, I also agree. I would like to do more for the movement, if I had the time. At the moment, I am doing my best by expressing the views I hold and discussing them with others to clear up any misconceptions.

I amended the mistake you made with my name, you damn monster.

[Jochizyd Republic]

I think you've got an argument there. Either way, she still attracts liberals with a social policy that isn't Trump's.

I think that is because she has more liberal views than Trump. I would hardly call her a liberal, though. She is centre right at best.

She's Pro Affirmative Action, "Hate Speech" Laws, Mass Immigration, Cultural Liberalism, "Alternative Lifestyles", and is a Materialistic Capitalist aside from all of that.

She's a liberal.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Also,
>Third Way
>Left Wingers
come on now

[The Liberated Territories]

I would prefer them to the modern feminists and other regressive leftists. The hippies actually cared about peace and brotherhood, even if they can be like Jill Stein sometimes with the delusional ideas on how the world works.

They are regressive leftists.

99% of the time.

"Dude weed man lol peace" = regressive leftist?

[Mattopilos]

I agree. As for the point you are making on socialists with Felrik, I also agree. I would like to do more for the movement, if I had the time. At the moment, I am doing my best by expressing the views I hold and discussing them with others to clear up any misconceptions.

I amended the mistake you made with my name, you damn monster.

I MUST ATONE FOR MY SIIIIIIIINS!

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I amended the mistake you made with my name, you damn monster.

I MUST ATONE FOR MY SIIIIIIIINS!

DIE HERETIC!!!

[Mattopilos]

I MUST ATONE FOR MY SIIIIIIIINS!

DIE HERETIC!!!

NEVER, IMPERIAL SCUM!!!!

[Trotskylvania]

What do all y'all think of Hippies and the New Age movement?

I hate both.

Hippies and New Age are sort of catchall categories that end up lumping together many diverse groups with different values, goals and actions, so I'm not really comfortable making a blanket judgment about it as a category.

That said, the hey day of 60s counterculture was filled with missteps, stupid adventurism, dumb political cults, even dumber religious cults, and some okay rock music.

[Conscentia]

Also,
>Third Way
>Left Wingers
come on now

OP means the Blairite sort...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

[Dagashi Shojo]

Also,
>Third Way
>Left Wingers
come on now

It was a mistake for Sorel to abandon the alliance with Action française after the rise of Communist barbarism in Eastern Europe.

[Conscentia]

I was mostly talking about your chosen rhetorical strategy, but if you want to wrestle the greasy pig of metaethics with me then I guess here go once again.
My problem with moral nihilism is that it is meaningless and incoherent.

All arguments for moral nihilism are self-contradictory, because the advocacy of any position presupposes that truth has a normative value.If truth has no normative value, then all statements are trivial are aesthetic. A "false" belief in moral realism (and it's not, but we're simply supposing for arguments sake) would thereby be perfectly valid.

In other words, advocacy of nihilism is self-defeating.

Nihilism does not insist that one ought to advocate nihilism, nor does it insist that one ought not advocate nihilism. There is no self-contradiction.

Moral normative facts and epistemic normative facts are instrinsically similar. Terrence Cuneo goes into much greater depth on this in his book The Moral Web. The jist of the argument is that if moral facts do not exist, then epistemic facts must not exist. Since epistemic facts clearly do exist, as it is possible to rationally and empirically evaluate the world or constructs of pure reason, moral realism must also be true.

What are "epistemic normative facts"?

I'd also argue pretty vehemently against error theory if you were to go that route, because the empirical and rational evaluation of moral theories like virtue ethics, utilitarianism or the categorical imperative is pretty overwhelmingly in their favor.

So you say.

[Dagashi Shojo]

What do all y'all think of Hippies and the New Age movement?

I hate both.

Wicca has always been cringey to me after a popular writer recommended Buddha be worshiped as the "Horned God." I'm not a fan of naturalism, which a lot of New Age movements are. But it's obnoxious how the two have become buzzwords.

[Conscentia]

What do all y'all think of Hippies and the New Age movement?
I hate both.

Wicca has always been cringey to me after a popular writer recommended Buddha be worshiped as the "Horned God."

Really? That doesn't seem make any sense in the context of either Wicca or Buddhism. I don't think this "popular writer" is representative of Wicca.

According to Wikipedia, even many contemporary pagans choose to distance themselves from the New Age movement. (x)

I'm not a fan of naturalism, which a lot of New Age movements are. But it's obnoxious how the two have become buzzwords.

What? What do you mean by "naturalism"? Because New Age has nothing to do with metaphysical or methodological naturalism.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

I'm not a fan of naturalism, which a lot of New Age movements are. But it's obnoxious how the two have become buzzwords.

What? What do you mean by "naturalism"? Because New Age has nothing to do with metaphysical or methodological naturalism.

He may or may not mean naturism instead. That's definitely a New Age-y thing.

[Dagashi Shojo]

Really? That doesn't seem make any sense in the context of either Wicca or Buddhism. I don't think this "popular writer" is representative of Wicca.

It is a common religious practice for Wiccans to worship a certain god and goddess as faces of the God/Goddess, such as worshiping Zeus and Hera as the divine duo. It's not unsurprising that a Wiccan would recommend Buddha as one of them. The fact it doesn't make sense from a Buddhist perspective is somewhat my point. Then there's the pseudo-history where several of them still claim Murray's witch-cult theory is correct.

According to Wikipedia, even many contemporary pagans choose to distance themselves from the New Age movement. (x)

Perhaps it's not entirely New Age, but there are undoubtedly elements that they share in common.

I'm not a fan of naturalism, which a lot of New Age movements are. But it's obnoxious how the two have become buzzwords.

What? What do you mean by "naturalism"? Because New Age has nothing to do with metaphysical or methodological naturalism.

I probably heard the word used inaccurately, in the sense of Wicca and other neopagan faiths having no sense of the transcendent, and deifying nature.

[The New Sea Territory]

According to Wikipedia, even many contemporary pagans choose to distance themselves from the New Age movement. (x)

Perhaps it's not entirely New Age, but there are undoubtedly elements that they share in common.

This topic is actually divisive within the neopagan movement. Generally, form what I have seen, Wicca, Druidy, and Kemeticism associate with new age ideas. Asatru/Heathenry, the Cultus Deorum and Hellenismos are generally heavily opposed to this. Rodnovery, Slavic paganism, takes this to a whole new extreme considering most of the movement are literal nazis.

This is what I've seen on /r/pagan and /r/asatru, and reading G&R and a few other blogs.

I probably heard the word used inaccurately, in the sense of Wicca and other neopagan faiths having no sense of the transcendent, and deifying nature.

This is what attracts me to it. I find it to be a great affirmation and celebration of life to place divinity within this world rather than above or opposed to it.

[The New Sea Territory]

What do all y'all think of Hippies and the New Age movement?

I hate both.

I generally find them annoying. New Age especially within pagan circles. Making up shit and calling it a religion really hurts those of us trying to interpret the actual lore and myths of pre-Christian Europe.

[The New Sea Territory]

Really? That doesn't seem make any sense in the context of either Wicca or Buddhism. I don't think this "popular writer" is representative of Wicca.

Wicca is less an actual religion than it is a framework for interpreting extinct pagan religions. An example of this is Tameran Wicca, where the God-Goddess duality is projected onto a polytheistic tradition (Ra and Isis, IIIRC), and the rituals are basically the same.

[PaNTuXIa]

They are regressive leftists.

99% of the time.

"Dude weed man lol peace" = regressive leftist?

Jochi and his fellow reactionaries treat "regressive" as a buzzword, similarly to how SJWs treat "racist." Anything to the left of his ultra-traditionalist reactionary philosophy is "regressivism."

[PaNTuXIa]

What do all y'all think of Hippies and the New Age movement?

I hate both.

I like the former, they have revolutionary potential, the latter are just crackpots.

[Socialist Tera]

Also,
>Third Way
>Left Wingers
come on now

It was a mistake for Sorel to abandon the alliance with Action française after the rise of Communist barbarism in Eastern Europe.

Did the communist barbarian look like this perchance:

[Seylland]

What do all y'all think of Hippies and the New Age movement?

I hate both.

Nuisances and drive a wedge into societal progress. But nothing too serious.

[Socialist Tera]

What do all y'all think of Hippies and the New Age movement?

I hate both.

Useful pacifist ideologies which are used to pacify workers.