Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[Jumalariik]

Are most of you guys nationalists?
I clearly would be one, but are you guys more economically minded or conservatively minded?

Economically, I am on the left side of the spectrum. Socially, I am conservative and nationalistic? Yes sir.

lol me too.

[Sociopia]

I consider myself a classical liberal, meritocrat and moderate traditionalist. In other words, more or less on the right (especially economically.) The 5 Dimensional Political Compass also describes me as an Objectivist and nationalist, so hey.

That being said, I will try to answer of the questions asked throughout this thread.

Well, as a left winger, I want to know what is all of your opinions on issues like Same Sex marriage and transgender people?

The state has no place is marriage, but if it does, it must recognise homosexual marriage as legitimate (even if it’s not really “marriage”, at least in the traditional sense.)
I’m a bit iffy when it comes to issues regarding transfolk, but for the most part I respect their rights provided they don’t expect the rest of society to bend over backwards for them. That’s when I start to draw the line.

What do you folks think about Trump?

A good businessman, perhaps, but he has no place in politics.

But yes, right wingers:

What's racism for you? Is it something bad? Natural? Can racialist outlooks and an emphasis on ethnical homogeneity ease the task of realizing an orderly, hierarchical society, or do they breed the polarization and inter and intra-class hatred that left sometimes love to capitalize on? Is racism moral accordin to your values? Or not? And why?

Racism in the modern world is bad, but it is natural, to an extent. In the past, communities were very tight-nit. If you encountered someone of a different culture, they were very likely a direct threat to yourself and killing them or forcing them out of the area would be an appropriate reaction. So it would make sense that we have a natural bias towards our race/culture/ethnicity and against others. That being said, in the modern world, discrimination is not natural in the sense that it is inherent to our nature and should not be tolerated as it is barbaric and it has no place in a civilised society.

So, what do you guys think of Paleoconservatism?

Personally, I think it's worse than Salmonella.

I do agree with some of their ideas.

Are most of you guys nationalists?

I guess I’m somewhat a nationalist in the sense that I believe my nation and its values are intrinsically superior to others and that my own nation’s interests come first, and I don’t think we really have any obligation to help other nations. That being said, I’m not entirely opposed to helping other nations.

I clearly would be one, but are you guys more economically minded or conservatively minded?

I’m more economically minded myself.

[Jumalariik]

I consider myself a classical liberal, meritocrat and moderate traditionalist. In other words, more or less on the right (especially economically.) The 5 Dimensional Political Compass also describes me as an Objectivist and nationalist, so hey.

That being said, I will try to answer of the questions asked throughout this thread.

Well, as a left winger, I want to know what is all of your opinions on issues like Same Sex marriage and transgender people?

The state has no place is marriage, but if it does, it must recognise homosexual marriage as legitimate (even if it’s not really “marriage”, at least in the traditional sense.)
I’m a bit iffy when it comes to issues regarding transfolk, but for the most part I respect their rights provided they don’t expect the rest of society to bend over backwards for them. That’s when I start to draw the line.

What do you folks think about Trump?

A good businessman, perhaps, but he has no place in politics.

But yes, right wingers:

What's racism for you? Is it something bad? Natural? Can racialist outlooks and an emphasis on ethnical homogeneity ease the task of realizing an orderly, hierarchical society, or do they breed the polarization and inter and intra-class hatred that left sometimes love to capitalize on? Is racism moral accordin to your values? Or not? And why?

Racism in the modern world is bad, but it is natural, to an extent. In the past, communities were very tight-nit. If you encountered someone of a different culture, they were very likely a direct threat to yourself and killing them or forcing them out of the area would be an appropriate reaction. So it would make sense that we have a natural bias towards our race/culture/ethnicity and against others. That being said, in the modern world, discrimination is not natural in the sense that it is inherent to our nature and should not be tolerated as it is barbaric and it has no place in a civilised society.

So, what do you guys think of Paleoconservatism?

Personally, I think it's worse than Salmonella.

I do agree with some of their ideas.

Are most of you guys nationalists?

I guess I’m somewhat a nationalist in the sense that I believe my nation and its values are intrinsically superior to others and that my own nation’s interests come first, and I don’t think we really have any obligation to help other nations. That being said, I’m not entirely opposed to helping other nations.

I clearly would be one, but are you guys more economically minded or conservatively minded?

I’m more economically minded myself.

So you are more capitalist than nationalist?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

"Traditional values"

Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism

Oh Christ. Traditional values doesn't always mean an excuse for homophobia and sexism. I don't see right wingers making similar blanket statements in the thread for left wingers, but for some reason, it happens here.

[Calimera II]

Economically, I am on the left side of the spectrum. Socially, I am conservative and nationalistic? Yes sir.

lol me too.

But I am also anti-imperialist and like many peronist and radical (Unión Cívica Radical) ideas.

[Lyras]

Indeed, would seem to be an assertion of more economic Right than socio-culturally Right. There is often cross-over, but the positions are not congruent, necessarily.

[Sociopia]

So you are more capitalist than nationalist?

Yep. I'm more right when it comes to economic issues, as my political compass may suggest. I tend to agree more with the moderate left or libertarians more when it comes to social issues. I still consider myself to be more right-of-centre though.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

I don't like Trump, but what racist things has he said?

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.

While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.

[Lyras]

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.

While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.

Well put.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.

While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.

He's calling for a temporary ban until things settle down there.

In other words, an indefinite ban with no specific events that would cause it to end, meaning that it's a ban for as long as he feels like banning people on the basis of their religion. It could very easily translate into a permanent one depending on how people choose to define it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

"Traditional values"

Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism

Oh Christ. Traditional values doesn't always mean an excuse for homophobia and sexism. I don't see right wingers making similar blanket statements in the thread for left wingers, but for some reason, it happens here.

Give it time. Both of the threads are new.

And traditional values doesn't always mean that, but it's interesting to see how often the term is used as coverage for homophobia and sexism. In fact, I seem to run across the phrase far more in those contexts than in any other.

[MERIZoC]

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.

While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.

As is racism and xenophobia, as it turns out.

[Jochistan]

Are most of you guys nationalists?
I clearly would be one, but are you guys more economically minded or conservatively minded?

I lean right economically. As I support generally free markets with as little government regulation as possible except in terms of workers rights, monopolies and environmental protection.

The American governments environmental protection system is retardedly wasteful. And I'd be all for reforming it. but at the same time, I acknowledge that the private sector can't be trusted in terms of environmental protection on it's own.

[Geilinor]

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.

While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.

He wants a ban on all Muslim travel into the United States until he decides to lift it. Which would be not as long as he's in office.

[Lyras]

Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.

While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.

He wants a ban on all Muslim travel into the United States until he decides to lift it. Which would be not as long as he's in office.

One would hope. Governments rarely relinquish new powers (or taxes) at the point/s they are supposed to.

[Geilinor]

He wants a ban on all Muslim travel into the United States until he decides to lift it. Which would be not as long as he's in office.

One would hope. Governments rarely relinquish new powers (or taxes) at the point/s they are supposed to.

Which is a problem. Trump says it will be "until we figure out what the hell is going on". And anyway, how do you know for sure what religion someone believes in?

[Ugatoo]

You guys should hang out with the regressive left, you have tons in common.

[Lyras]

One would hope. Governments rarely relinquish new powers (or taxes) at the point/s they are supposed to.

Which is a problem. Trump says it will be "until we figure out what the hell is going on". And anyway, how do you know for sure what religion someone believes in?

A particular problem when Islam promotes the use of taqiyya (-deception-), which is not only justified but commendable, if it advances the cause of Islam (Q 3:28, 5:28).

[Alyakia]

You guys should hang out with the regressive left, you have tons in common.

for example, we both adore and revere the actions of the great hero the proletariat, iosif stalin

wait that's not it is it

[Lyras]

You guys should hang out with the regressive left, you have tons in common.

for example, we both adore and revere the actions of the great hero the proletariat, iosif stalin

wait that's not it is it

Not so much, no.

[Alyakia]

Which is a problem. Trump says it will be "until we figure out what the hell is going on". And anyway, how do you know for sure what religion someone believes in?

A particular problem when Islam promotes the use of taqiyya (-deception-), which is not only justified but commendable, if it advances the cause of Islam (Q 3:28, 5:28).

http://www.timesofisrael.com/declassifi ... ida-image/

In an October 2010 letter to a top lieutenant, bin Laden complains about Faisal Shahzad, the militant recruited by the Pakistani Taliban to set off a car bomb in New York’s Times Square. The May 2010 bombing failed. During his trial, Shahzad — a Pakistani who gained US citizenship — told the court he “didn’t mean it” when he took his American citizenship oath, which includes a vow not to harm the United States.

Bin Laden said lying about an oath breaks Islamic law.

“This is not the kind of lying to the enemy that is permitted. It is treachery,” bin Laden wrote. He told his lieutenant to take it up with Hakimullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, and ensure it didn’t happen again.

just a counter-example

[Ugatoo]

You guys should hang out with the regressive left, you have tons in common.

for example, we both adore and revere the actions of the great hero the proletariat, iosif stalin

wait that's not it is it

I was thinking more about the rampant white supremacy that runs through both ideologies.

[Alyakia]

for example, we both adore and revere the actions of the great hero the proletariat, iosif stalin

wait that's not it is it

I was thinking more about the rampant white supremacy that runs through both ideologies.

i really need to see an example of left-wing white supremacy

[Yumyumsuppertime]

for example, we both adore and revere the actions of the great hero the proletariat, iosif stalin

wait that's not it is it

I was thinking more about the rampant white supremacy that runs through both ideologies.

I wouldn't say that it "runs rampant" through either. I do think that there are those on both sides who have racial issues to deal with, and that as of late in America, they've found more of a home on the right, though neither party or side has a monopoly on such things.

[Ugatoo]

I was thinking more about the rampant white supremacy that runs through both ideologies.

i really need to see an example of left-wing white supremacy

Never heard of "white privilege"?