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Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:29 am**

Vbbbbh

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:34 am**

Unfortunately for you, you're just going to get called a "big bad racist bully" and a "dirty xenophobe" around these forums.

Expect fallacies in this thread such as "hurr durr brown people." Buckle in dude, you just criticized Islam on NSG, and that never ends well.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:39 am**

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Unfortunately for you, you're just going to get called a "big bad racist bully" and a "dirty xenophobe" around these forums.

Expect fallacies in this thread such as "hurr durr brown people." Buckle in dude, you just criticized Islam on NSG, and that never ends well.

Just like how The Bell Curve was a logical argument for the intellectual inferiority of blacks. *nod*

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:41 am**

I want less immigrants/refugees from cultures that don't mimic a nations dominant one.

Uhhhh.... If you're talking about the US, there really isn't a totally dominant culture, since its population is comprised of a bunch of totally different ethnicities all put under the same label of "American".

I mean, there are already so many Muslims living in America.

Estimates range that between five to 12 million Muslims live in the United States. About one-third of them are African-Americans. Another third are originally from the Indian subcontinent, including Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... /faqs.html

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:41 am**

Well thank you for the warning, it's very much appreciated.

For anyone who is furious about my points, please criticize them and change my way of thinking about this particular issue.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:43 am**

Italios wrote:
I want less immigrants/refugees from cultures that don't mimic a nations dominant one.

Uhhhh.... If you're talking about the US, there really isn't a totally dominant culture, since its population is comprised of a bunch of totally different ethnicities all put under the same label of "American".

I mean, there are already so many Muslims living in America.
Estimates range that between five to 12 million Muslims live in the United States. About one-third of them are African-Americans. Another third are originally from the Indian subcontinent, including Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... /faqs.html

They're all sleeper agents for Daesh, silly. *nod*

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:43 am**

Gauthier wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Unfortunately for you, you're just going to get called a "big bad racist bully" and a "dirty xenophobe" around these forums.

Expect fallacies in this thread such as "hurr durr brown people." Buckle in dude, you just criticized Islam on NSG, and that never ends well.

Just like how The Bell Curve was a logical argument for the intellectual inferiority of blacks. *nod*

Thanks for proving my point.

That has nothing to do with the thread, but you're already bringing some other bullshit into this, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

And, of course it wasn't a fucking logical argument. But, that's not relevant.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:43 am**

VoetbalPompey wrote:I've been doing a lot of research for the past year or so and it seems that I have reached a conclusion where I want less immigrants/refugees from cultures that don't mimic a nations dominant one.

Here are some points I currently have:

1) Multiculturalism while in theory sounds great, is something only white/western societies seem to see as ideal. Is this not white suicide? I'd say suicide since they're literally doing it to themselves.

2) Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

3) Once a majority has been reached then democratically that country should follow the wishes of the majority of their population. Which would be the laws and traditions of the original "outsiders"

4) Bringing the failing ideologies, traditions, beliefs and way of life from failing country B to country A will turn country A into B overtime.

I have many more points, and statistics but there is already a lot here. Basically what I'm asking for is an intelligent, logical rebuttal. I unlike many others am a rational person and am willing to change my current view when presented with evidence.

Thoughts?

1: Your point here isn't very well articulated. However multiculturalism isn't suicide to any specific society(or culture), necessarily, as many societies are in fact multicultural. This is however more true in parts of North America (not the entire United States and Canada are multicultural) where there really isn't a dominant ethnic group which defines society . While in Europe there definitely is a group for each country, and therefor they suffer more from multicultural policies. Europe needs to adopt interculturalism to avoid tension.

2: If immigrants are properly integrated, those who come from cultural backgrounds where having many children is the norm(even though birthrates are falling in most of these countries right now iirc) will stop having so many children.

3: Yeah, but that's if proper integrationary policies aren't implemented before then.

4: This would take a lot of time to happen.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:44 am**

VoetbalPompey wrote:
1) Multiculturalism while in theory sounds great, is something only white/western societies seem to see as ideal. Is this not white suicide? I'd say suicide since they're literally doing it to themselves.

No.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:45 am**

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Just like how The Bell Curve was a logical argument for the intellectual inferiority of blacks. *nod*

Thanks for proving my point.

That has nothing to do with the thread, but you're already bringing some other bullshit into this, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

And, of course it wasn't a fucking logical argument. But, that's not relevant.

It's amusing how you're taking a point that uses the term "white suicide" as a logical argument in the meantime.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:45 am**

Fear of Islam is silly if the country into which their is net migration of religious followers has tolerance but also strong cultural pride in itself. Where we see unbalance is where weak-kneed politics bows to perceived political correctness which paints immigrants in a bad light as a result.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:46 am**

I'd say American culture and way of life as a generalization is despite the war, very British based.

Sorry still trying to figure out the quoting system.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:46 am**

VoetbalPompey wrote:I've been doing a lot of research for the past year or so and it seems that I have reached a conclusion where I want less immigrants/refugees from cultures that don't mimic a nations dominant one.

Here are some points I currently have:

1) Multiculturalism while in theory sounds great, is something only white/western societies seem to see as ideal. Is this not white suicide? I'd say suicide since they're literally doing it to themselves.

2) Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

3) Once a majority has been reached then democratically that country should follow the wishes of the majority of their population. Which would be the laws and traditions of the original "outsiders"

4) Bringing the failing ideologies, traditions, beliefs and way of life from failing country B to country A will turn country A into B overtime.

I have many more points, and statistics but there is already a lot here. Basically what I'm asking for is an intelligent, logical rebuttal. I unlike many others am a rational person and am willing to change my current view when presented with evidence.

Thoughts?

1: It's only "suicide" if it actually results in the destruction of the country's original culture. Now, I'd say cases like Sweden banning displaying its own flag on a national holiday or something because it might offend Muslims (don't remember the exact story) can be called "cultural suicide," but just letting immigrants into the country doesn't count.

2: But after a couple generations birth rates in immigrant populations tend to fall. Do you have a mathematical model showing that Muslims will actually become a majority in any European country within the next century, or just a larger minority than they are currently?

3: This is only a problem if (a) point 2 is assumed to be true, and (b) if there isn't sufficient assimilation.

4: Again, this is only a problem if there isn't cultural assimilation/integration.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:47 am**

Mavorpen wrote:
VoetbalPompey wrote:
1) Multiculturalism while in theory sounds great, is something only white/western societies seem to see as ideal. Is this not white suicide? I'd say suicide since they're literally doing it to themselves.

No.

Great rebuttal.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:47 am**

VoetbalPompey wrote:I've been doing a lot of research for the past year or so and it seems that I have reached a conclusion where I want less immigrants/refugees from cultures that don't mimic a nations dominant one.

Here are some points I currently have:

1) Multiculturalism while in theory sounds great, is something only white/western societies seem to see as ideal. Is this not white suicide? I'd say suicide since they're literally doing it to themselves.

2) Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

3) Once a majority has been reached then democratically that country should follow the wishes of the majority of their population. Which would be the laws and traditions of the original "outsiders"

4) Bringing the failing ideologies, traditions, beliefs and way of life from failing country B to country A will turn country A into B overtime.

I have many more points, and statistics but there is already a lot here. Basically what I'm asking for is an intelligent, logical rebuttal. I unlike many others am a rational person and am willing to change my current view when presented with evidence.

Thoughts?

1.Complete bullshit
2.Birth rates of immigrants decline to the national average as education levels increase
3.The Nirvana fallacy and the "what if?" Are at work
4.Because those big bad scary non Christians are our mortal enemies,all to typical half witted conservatard arguement
If you are rational then why can you not use the internet's most basic functions?

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:47 am**

VoetbalPompey wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No.

Great rebuttal.

You asked a question and I answered it. I'm not sure why I'd need a rebuttal since that's obviously not what the word "suicide" means.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:48 am**

Gauthier wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Thanks for proving my point.

That has nothing to do with the thread, but you're already bringing some other bullshit into this, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

And, of course it wasn't a fucking logical argument. But, that's not relevant.

It's amusing how you're taking a point that uses the term "white suicide" as a logical argument in the meantime.

It's a very unnuanced euphimism for the White Genocide cry that we hear time and time again.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:49 am**

VoetbalPompey wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No.

Great rebuttal.

Well your point was just an unexplained assertion. What is "white suicide"? Unless its white people literally killing themselves (no) it's pretty much meaningless.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:49 am**

VoetbalPompey wrote:2) Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/the- ... opulation/

In Europe as a whole, the Muslim share of the population is expected to grow by nearly one-third over the next 20 years, rising from 6% of the region’s inhabitants in 2010 to 8% in 2030.

Oh noez, 8%! That's almost a majority! Also note that most of this increase will be because of immigration, not because of higher birthrates.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:49 am**

Gauthier wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Thanks for proving my point.

That has nothing to do with the thread, but you're already bringing some other bullshit into this, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

And, of course it wasn't a fucking logical argument. But, that's not relevant.

It's amusing how you're taking a point that uses the term "white suicide" as a logical argument in the meantime.

It's not logical, I'll admit. I just know that his arguments will be excused and shoved aside, as opposed to debated seriously, because this is about Islam, which has some protected status here.

So, no, the OP clearly is wrong in some regards, including ones where he acts as if it's some sort of Eurabian plot where Muslims will outnumber us all. That said, I agree with parts of it, including the fact that multiculturalism simply hasn't been working, and that Islam, particularly in Europe, causes much more harm than good.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:50 am**

Gauthier wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Unfortunately for you, you're just going to get called a "big bad racist bully" and a "dirty xenophobe" around these forums.

Expect fallacies in this thread such as "hurr durr brown people." Buckle in dude, you just criticized Islam on NSG, and that never ends well.

Just like how The Bell Curve was a logical argument for the intellectual inferiority of blacks. *nod*

Cultures can be incompatible and unable to co-exist well together because of major differences.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:50 am**

Wow. Harder than I imagined to keep track of the responses.

But some great responses. I'll have to reply in depth when I have the computer ready.

Thank you.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:51 am**

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
It's amusing how you're taking a point that uses the term "white suicide" as a logical argument in the meantime.

It's not logical, I'll admit. I just know that his arguments will be excused and shoved aside, as opposed to debated seriously, because this is about Islam, which has some protected status here.

So, no, the OP clearly is wrong in some regards, including ones where he acts as if it's some sort of Eurabian plot where Muslims will outnumber us all. That said, I agree with parts of it, including the fact that multiculturalism simply hasn't been working, and that Islam, particularly in Europe, causes much more harm than good.

If multiculturalism never works the United States ought to be a Balkanized continent. Yet somehow it's not.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:51 am**

Italios wrote:I mean, there are already so many Muslims living in America.

"So many" ? The USA has a total population of 322 million. Let us be generous and call it 4% of the population.
In the countries where the population is 8% or higher (France, the Netherlands, Sweden, the Uk,Germany) people are.. unhappy.. about their presence.

Posted: **Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:52 am**

The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
VoetbalPompey wrote:2) Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/the- ... opulation/
In Europe as a whole, the Muslim share of the population is expected to grow by nearly one-third over the next 20 years, rising from 6% of the region’s inhabitants in 2010 to 8% in 2030.

Oh noez, 8%! That's almost a majority! Also note that most of this increase will be because of immigration, not because of higher birthrates.

But why look Europe as a whole? There are almost none in Eastern Europe (excluding Russia). This is just a way to show percentage smaller than it is.

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