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[Novus America]

She is one of the Catholic Jewish Nazi Communist Transsexual Gays. The ones always plotting to destroy Russia.

Paranoia is rarely coherent.

When you can't fight it, shove it in the "conspiracy theory" box. I bet you didn't even watch her speach. All that was missing was a "sieg heil" at the end.

Umm your claim simply makes no sense. Fascists believe strongly in social conservatism. They are anti feminist and anti LGBT.

[United Slavians]

Umm your claim simply makes no sense. Fascists believe strongly in social conservatism. They are anti feminist and anti LGBT.

They were all that because there was no strenght to be drawn from them, unlike in this case. Like i wrote, fascism is very pragmatic, it addapts so it can use whatever can be used.

[Olerand]

An LGBT fascist? You don't say.

Fascism is the biggest mix of ideas of all ideologies that exist(ed). Hitler combined liberalism and collectivism for Christ's sake, and it worked.

Yeah, that's not fascism.

An LGBT fascist? You don't say.

She is one of the Catholic Jewish Nazi Communist Transsexual Gays. The ones always plotting to destroy Russia.

Paranoia is rarely coherent.

I don't think it's paranoia, it's incoherent, sure, but it's propaganda, not paranoia. Listening to the Kremlin media, they parrot these nonsensical arguments too... But like... How can Ukraine be a degenerate LGBT haven and a fascist dictatorship at the same time... That doesn't compute!

[Urmanian]

Umm your claim simply makes no sense. Fascists believe strongly in social conservatism. They are anti feminist and anti LGBT.

They were all that because there was no strenght to be drawn from them, unlike in this case. Like i wrote, fascism is very pragmatic, it addapts so it can use whatever can be used.

so fascism is whatever you don't like, gotcha

[United Slavians]

that is extremely general, every ideology thinks it's pragmatic and relies on the masses

Some ideologies have things they can't cross. Socialism is for example always on the left. It has a vertical mobility, but horisontaly it's limited to the left side of the political coordinate system.
Also, you had Italy and Germany, that were two diferent fascist states before, during even by the end of the war. They changed, but that doesn't change the fact that they were both fascist. Altough you're right, if i used the term neo-fascism it might have not caused this confusion.

[United Slavians]

so fascism is whatever you don't like, gotcha

Quite so. As long as your country/race/whatever is above someone else and as long as you allow aggression towards that someone, it's (neo)fascism.
I forgot to mention, as long as it's in the upper part of the coordinate system, you can move it anywhere from far right to center-left.

[Novus America]

Umm your claim simply makes no sense. Fascists believe strongly in social conservatism. They are anti feminist and anti LGBT.

They were all that because there was no strenght to be drawn from them, unlike in this case. Like i wrote, fascism is very pragmatic, it addapts so it can use whatever can be used.

Citatation needed. If it departs that much from Fascism it is no longer Fascist. It is like a Marxist saying they do not follow Marx.

[Novus America]

so fascism is whatever you don't like, gotcha

Quite so. As long as your country/race/whatever is above someone else and as long as you allow aggression towards that someone, it's (neo)fascism.

So the Russia is fascist?!

And no, that is not what fascism means at all. You have no idea what fascism is.

[United Slavians]

Citatation needed. If it departs that much from Fascism it is no longer Fascist. It is like a Marxist saying they do not follow Marx.

My bad, i should have wrote neo-fascism from the start. But it doesn't change the fact that even the starting fascism was very pragmatic. For example, Italy didn't include racism in it untill 1922.

[Allanea]

How is including racism in anything pragmatic?

[United Slavians]

And no, that is not what fascism means at all. You have no idea what fascism is.

Actualy i studied ideologies pretty closely. All of them are pragmatic to a degree, but some are more pragmatic than others and can move through the political compass more freely. But i understand you, i didn't think so either before i started studying it.

[United Slavians]

How is including racism in anything pragmatic?

Because Italy had problems with Libyans(or however people living in today's Libya were called back then), so they needed to dehumanize them to justify cutting them down that brutaly.

[Novus America]

Fascism is the biggest mix of ideas of all ideologies that exist(ed). Hitler combined liberalism and collectivism for Christ's sake, and it worked.

Yeah, that's not fascism.

She is one of the Catholic Jewish Nazi Communist Transsexual Gays. The ones always plotting to destroy Russia.

Paranoia is rarely coherent.

I don't think it's paranoia, it's incoherent, sure, but it's propaganda, not paranoia. Listening to the Kremlin media, they parrot these nonsensical arguments too... But like... How can Ukraine be a degenerate LGBT haven and a fascist dictatorship at the same time... That doesn't compute!

Nah, Ukraine really is Nazi Jewish Catholic Fascist LGBT neoliberal dictatorship. Russian media said it. It must be true. Logic is a neoliberal Zionist Nazi plot.

Seriously though the cognitive dissonance in Russian propaganda is astounding.

We had one guy on here argue MH-17 was shot down by a Ukrainian BUK, a Ukrainian Froogfoot and a Ukrainian flanker all at the same time.

Russian propaganda is so scattershot that it will argue mutually exclusive theories simultaneously. Anything to muddy the waters.

[United Slavians]

Nah, Ukraine really is Nazi Jewish Catholic Fascist LGBT neoliberal dictatorship. Russian media said it. It must be true. Logic is a neoliberal Zionist Nazi plot.

Seriously though the cognitive dissonance in Russian propaganda is astounding.

We had one guy on here argue MH-17 was shot down by a Ukrainian BUK, a Ukrainian Froogfoot and a Ukrainian flanker all at the same time.

Russian propaganda is so scattershot that it will argue mutually exclusive theories simultaneously. Anything to muddy the waters.

It's funny when someone with (barely) basic knowledge on a topic, who relies on wikipedia and CNN for most of his information can think he knows better. Now that's the real power of propaganda, they get you on their side even when you ahve no idea what's it all about.

[Novus America]

And no, that is not what fascism means at all. You have no idea what fascism is.

Actualy i studied ideologies pretty closely. All of them are pragmatic to a degree, but some are more pragmatic than others and can move through the political compass more freely. But i understand you, i didn't think so either before i started studying it.

I have studied ideologies. And I know fascism is an ideology that is more than just exceptionalism. But I also know that many people like you just use it as a buzzword for pretty much anything you dislike.

[United Slavians]

I have studied ideologies. And I know fascism is an ideology that is more than just exceptionalism. But I also know that many people like you just use it as a buzzword for pretty much anything you dislike.

All i have for you is a quote:

"Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it's from Neptune."

[Novus America]

Nah, Ukraine really is Nazi Jewish Catholic Fascist LGBT neoliberal dictatorship. Russian media said it. It must be true. Logic is a neoliberal Zionist Nazi plot.

Seriously though the cognitive dissonance in Russian propaganda is astounding.

We had one guy on here argue MH-17 was shot down by a Ukrainian BUK, a Ukrainian Froogfoot and a Ukrainian flanker all at the same time.

Russian propaganda is so scattershot that it will argue mutually exclusive theories simultaneously. Anything to muddy the waters.

It's funny when someone with (barely) basic knowledge on a topic, who relies on wikipedia and CNN for most of his information can think he knows better. Now that's the real power of propaganda, they get you on their side even when you ahve no idea what's it all about.

Ah yes, the whole "Western (TM) media is all lies!"

[Novus America]

I have studied ideologies. And I know fascism is an ideology that is more than just exceptionalism. But I also know that many people like you just use it as a buzzword for pretty much anything you dislike.

All i have for you is a quote:

"Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it's from Neptune."

You are repeating the conventinal doctrine that fascism should be a meaningless buzzword.

[Valaran]

I have studied ideologies. And I know fascism is an ideology that is more than just exceptionalism. But I also know that many people like you just use it as a buzzword for pretty much anything you dislike.

All i have for you is a quote:

"Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it's from Neptune."

Deep.

[United Slavians]

You are repeating the conventinal doctrine that fascism should be a meaningless buzzword.

If you think people using fascist collaborator portraits, symbols and acting like fascists from Germany in 1923. is using it as a meaningless buzzword, then CNN has realy done it's job well.

[Novus America]

You are repeating the conventinal doctrine that fascism should be a meaningless buzzword.

If you don't think people using fascist collaborator portraits, symbols and acting like fascists from Germany in 1923. is using it as a meaningless buzzword, then CNN has realy done it's job well.

Oh there are some fascist sympathizers in Ukraine. But they are socially conservative. Not LGBT Feminists at the same time.

Though it should be noted Russians who are not communists still use Soviet symbols.

I am not denying fascism exists. I am simply pointing out that fascism and feminism are mutually exclusive. And that it is socially conservative.

[United Slavians]

Oh there are some fascist sympathizers in Ukraine. But they are socially conservative. Not LGBT Feminists at the same time.

Though it should be noted Russians who are not communists still use Soviet symbols.

I am not denying fascism exists. I am simply pointing out that fascism and feminism are mutually exclusive. And that it is socially conservative.

Let's then stop and see how they react to this... whatever she is. If they attack her(verbaly or physicaly), you were right. If she becomes a media sensation, you're wrong.

[Novus America]

Oh there are some fascist sympathizers in Ukraine. But they are socially conservative. Not LGBT Feminists at the same time.

Though it should be noted Russians who are not communists still use Soviet symbols.

I am not denying fascism exists. I am simply pointing out that fascism and feminism are mutually exclusive. And that it is socially conservative.

Let's then stop and see how they react to this... whatever she is. If they attack her(verbaly or physicaly), you were right. If she becomes a media sensation, you're wrong.

First you are assuming she is a lesbian feminist with no evidence. Second the media is not fascist, if she becomes a media sensation it does not one ate she is fascist.

[United Slavians]

First you are assuming she is a lesbian feminist with no evidence. Second the media is not fascist, if she becomes a media sensation it does not one ate she is fascist.

On the contrary, there is evidence. It's just not material enough to say with a big certainty, but it's enough for a good suspicion. And i said she looks and acts like a feminist, and that she's maybe a lesbian too. If what you say is true, the fascists can't accept her no matter if she's a feminist, a lesbian, or both.

The media is in the service of the highest bidder, or at least the one who's a sizable force they can't mess with. It's true that there are not that many fascists in Ukraine, but most of the people just want to stay out of it. So (neo)fascists are still the most sizable force whith both the means and the will to project force.
We see that Poroshenko is walking on egg shells when he speaks about topics to which (neo)fascists are sensitive to, so it's fair to assume that either he's a fascist too, or he's just careful enough not to poke them. Either way, fascists are a sizable force in Ukraine, and they are the main driving force of the army under (formal) control of Poroshenko. With that being said, the media won't be able to promote something fascists don't agree with. Technicaly they could, but not without causing trouble.
To summ it all up, media will reflect the view of (neo)fascists or face the consequences, so to know who of the two of us is correct all we need to do is watch.

[Shofercia]

Silly Shofercia conveniently glosses over the fact that he made it out to seem as if the Russians had competition for space tourism when they really didn't. Deceptive!

Where did I say that there was competition? Oh, I get it, I made it out to seem, in your mind. Where 8 comes before 3, Putin will be gone soon, but not before 2018, (not sure if you quite understand what soon means, maybe that professor you had always kept on asking the same question instead of actually teaching,) all the while inferior Russian engines were the first to open up to Space Tourists. Being the first to massively profit in an area is apparently a sign of inferiority for Bork.

Actually he thought that by comparing someone he admires, Baryshnikov, to a supporter of someone he loathes, you were demeaning Baryshnikov.

That's ridiculous. I was demeaning you, Jeb.

You admit to trying to demean me, you compare me to Baryshnikov, but you still cannot figure out how that might be demeaning to Baryshnikov...

That'd be a silly, salty, lyin', and spaced out comparison to make.

So it's strange you haven't made it yourself yet.

I'm rubber, your glue, what you say bounces off of me and sticks back to you. BTW Bork, you're the only poster that I've ever debated on NSG against whom I got to use that line; twice.

Contrary to certain bullshit assertions, I did not intentionally quote you out of context. I made sure the context carried, because I thought it was hilarious.

I didn't say anything about quotes. Are you Spaced Out again?

Again? Your lies are working against you Bork, as per usual:

Shofercia likes to copy and paste random parts of your posts together to create an artificial narrative, belying any actual context.

So you're saying that's not you claiming that I'm quoting you out of context? Is there where I ask whether you're spaced out, and giggle like a three year old?

So crappy Russian science managed to beat superb Western science to the punch by establishing a monopoly on space tourism? Sure, why not?

You're still butthurt about my sarcastic agreement with the guy who's definitely not you?

You do comprehend that you imagining that I have some feelings doesn't actually mean that I have those feelings, right? Are you projecting, Bork?

If 8 comes before 3, crappy science might as well beat good science. And the Moon can also be made out of cheese.

That's enough Soviet Education for one day.

That's actually Bork education. Again, NSG records your quotes. Something that you've repeatedly failed to grasp.

You also seem to be confusing factual statements with tirades

I was just thinking the same thing.

I doubt that.

Apparently in your mind, you're surrounded by puppets. On a forum. That you think that I would actually devote that much effort to you is most certainly hilarious. You may continue to entertain me, Bork.

I didn't say he was your puppet. I said he was just as nauseating as you stylistically. Silly Shofercia's guilty conscience shines through once more.

> Claims someone else is butthurt
> Makes not one, not two, but three different replies

And you didn't say he was my puppet? Oh, really?

Shofercia/Sharania

Stop lying Bork.