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[Sharania]

It's been posted by several of their officials online.

Primaries are now canceled.

They stored private voter data without any encryption. That's a major tech security fail.

Well, I will wait till some news sources report that. As for the lack of ecryption - another reason, why they were hacked.

[Allanea]

They posted a link to the data on their official website..

[Sharania]

Um... When did I support "Kremlin democrats"?

Sorry, mistook you for this user.

No, it's us. Let the UK remain in the EU first. Don't worry, I assure you that I know EU politics. Truly.

The UK WILL remain in the EU. There is no doubt about that. At all. And they were never wavering in their stance on Russian aggression.

And what gives you this “knowledge” of the EU politics, hm? Are you some EU high-ranking official?

We won't. And it won't. You, rather clearly, know little of EU politics. That's fine, of course. Ukraine and Turkey will never join the EU anyway, we will veto them both. Both Germany and France's governments are opposed anyway, and by 2017, France can only have a government even more opposed to Ukrainian membership.

That’s simply hilarious!

I don't care who "wins" in Ukraine. As long as it doesn't join the EU.

And due to this “meh, whatever!” attitude the Eastern Europe so furious with you these days. Surely – you don’t have to live next to Putin’s Russia! You can afford this “meh!” attitude! Not Ukraine, though.

[Sharania]

They posted a link to the data on their official website..

They... or someone else?

[Olerand]

Um... When did I support "Kremlin democrats"?

Sorry, mistook you for this user.

No, it's us. Let the UK remain in the EU first. Don't worry, I assure you that I know EU politics. Truly.

The UK WILL remain in the EU. There is no doubt about that. At all. And they were never wavering in their stance on Russian aggression.

And what gives you this “knowledge” of the EU politics, hm? Are you some EU high-ranking official?

We won't. And it won't. You, rather clearly, know little of EU politics. That's fine, of course. Ukraine and Turkey will never join the EU anyway, we will veto them both. Both Germany and France's governments are opposed anyway, and by 2017, France can only have a government even more opposed to Ukrainian membership.

That’s simply hilarious!

I don't care who "wins" in Ukraine. As long as it doesn't join the EU.

And due to this “meh, whatever!” attitude the Eastern Europe so furious with you these days. Surely – you don’t have to live next to Putin’s Russia! You can afford this “meh!” attitude! Not Ukraine, though.

I agree, I think the UK will most likely -and unfortunately- stay in the EU. They are still not more important than us, however. And they certainly won't change their policy towards Russia, because for that to happen, the HQ of British foreign policy, Washington, needs to change its mind first. And Washington won't do that.
And no, I am not. I am an EU citizen -of an important country too- who knows plenty about EU politics, and even more about French politics. So I can guarantee you, we will veto the Ukrainian-Turkish memberships.

But still true.

Let Putin's Russia get through the American dominated Eastern Europe first. I don't particularly care if Eastern Europe resents the fact that we resent having to subsidize them, because we, in fact, do!

[Mugrul]

Ahh yes, it clearly looks like she is malnourished /sarcasm.

Oh, and cut the picspam Sharania. Put bluntly, if you're going to have pics that big, at least two, of the same mug, spoiler them. The code is this:

["spoiler"]pic here["/spoiler"]

without the quotes, i.e. remove these thingies: "

What’s the matter, Shofercia? Does this hurt your Russophile senses? Just two pictures of Her, who was in Kremlin’s grasp, but got back to tell the tale?

Well – there is some more!

Putin Is the Loser in Prisoner Swap With Ukraine

Neither Russia nor Ukraine is blameless in the conflict. Aidar, Savchenko's ultranationalist battalion, would probably be outlawed in any European country. Yet the story of Savchenko and the two GRU men shows why it's easier to sympathize with Ukraine. Savchenko's colorful defiance and her country's spirited defense of her were more pure, more human than Russia's official rejection and reluctant rescue of Alexandrov and Yerofeev. Besides, Savchenko has a much better explanation of how she ended up in captivity than the Russian servicemen: She was defending her country. The GRU men had been following orders they didn't question, fighting against a neighboring country that had not attacked Russia.

In that sense, the exchange was not equivalent. Ukraine got the moral victory.

Yes, she is definitely a barefooter.

It must be fun arguing with yourself.

[Ardoki]

What’s the matter, Shofercia? Does this hurt your Russophile senses? Just two pictures of Her, who was in Kremlin’s grasp, but got back to tell the tale?

Well – there is some more!

Putin Is the Loser in Prisoner Swap With Ukraine

Yes, she is definitely a barefooter.

It must be fun arguing with yourself.

Are they really the same person? Do you know for sure, or are you just assuming without any actual evidence?

[Mugrul]

It must be fun arguing with yourself.

Are they really the same person? Do you know for sure, or are you just assuming without any actual evidence?

Beyond the phony "I'm not a Russophobe but Russian culture is degenerate" talk. Yes.

I won't forget how they were both listed as having last visited the forums at the exact same time.

[Ardoki]

Are they really the same person? Do you know for sure, or are you just assuming without any actual evidence?

Beyond the phony "I'm not a Russophobe but Russian culture is degenerate" talk. Yes.

I won't forget how they were both listed as having last visited the forums at the exact same time.

But doesn't one of them love Russia?

[Robert Bork]

Where did I say that there was competition?

^^Person who doesn't know what "prefer" means. No wonder English is his third language.

[Baltenstein]

And due to this “meh, whatever!” attitude the Eastern Europe so furious with you these days. Surely – you don’t have to live next to Putin’s Russia! You can afford this “meh!” attitude! Not Ukraine, though.

The Eastern European countries can be very hypocritical when it comes to that. Switching between "national sovereignity above all" and "We Europeans have to stick together" whenever it suits them best.

[Tokuopolis]

Does anyone else feel like the way westerners talk about Russians now has crossed a line? I feel it's become less about criticizing Putin and the Russian government, and more coming across as an attack on all Russians. I feel the language and imagery were using is too negative, and demonises and dehumanizes 143.5 million people, which is frankly disgusting. The west has a lot of cold war biases left over, which we should get over, and the language and imagery we are using is crossing the line, driving us back to the cold war.

When Muslims and Arabs are demonised and dehumanised in media, there is a justified outcry. But no such thing occurs when the media demonises Russians, and this is troubling to me.
(http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... en-britain
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... nt-tell-us
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... el-4s-show)

Roughly 20% of Russians (estimated 28.8 million) don't like their government or disagree with "the LGBT Propaganda" law (or are neutral on it). It seems illogical to ignore 28.8 Million people on your side (or could be on your side) and focus exclusively on the negative.

[Baltenstein]

Does anyone else feel like the way westerners talk about Russians now has crossed a line? I feel it's become less about criticizing Putin and the Russian government, and more coming across as an attack on all Russians. I feel the language and imagery were using is too negative, and demonises and dehumanizes 143.5 million people, which is frankly disgusting.

Meh, this is media and internet talk. It's in its nature to generalize and simplify. It's not a good thing, but it's human nature and everyone does it. It's not exactly great that many Russians are constantly portraying "the West" (all of it) as either a Fascist 4th Reich, a LGBT degenerate Gomorrah, or both at the same time either.

Adults should be self-confident enough to stand above such things.

[Allanea]

https://meduza.io/news/2016/05/30/parna ... -praymeriz

PARNAS primaries now canceled. (Non-speakers of Russians can access this via Google Translate.)

[Tokuopolis]

Does anyone else feel like the way westerners talk about Russians now has crossed a line? I feel it's become less about criticizing Putin and the Russian government, and more coming across as an attack on all Russians. I feel the language and imagery were using is too negative, and demonises and dehumanizes 143.5 million people, which is frankly disgusting.

Meh, this is media and internet talk. It's in its nature to generalize and simplify. It's not a good thing, but it's human nature and everyone does it.

I know that, but we've been aware of the Russian Government's lack of gay rights, the government funding neonazi gangs etc. for several years now. What I feel we need now is a documentary about Russians who are pro-LGBT rights, Russians who are liberal, Russians who like the west etc. just to serve as a counterbalance, to get a fuller picture.

Fortunately, the internet means the profiles of these people can be raised. And fortunately the BBC online does try to raise the profile of young liberal Russians, and I've been able to learn about the kinds of video games and movies that are popular in Russia. But I am concerned that my government will start to take away those freedoms.

We've got a lot of cold war biases leftover, and many of our politicians were brought up in that era.

Oh Dearism II
Struggles for Russians in the UK
Russians in the UK part 2

It's not exactly great that many Russians are constantly portraying "the West" (all of it) as either a Fascist 4th Reich, a LGBT degenerate Gomorrah, or both at the same time either.

Adults should be self-confident enough to stand above such things.

Yeah. But our news media aren't being much better than the Russian news media. They're meant to be for adult and made by adults. I know no-one can truly remove their point of view when creating something, but they should at least try.

[United Slavians]

Uhm, actually the Western civilization is the freest and most humane civilization in history and presently. So, yes, any other civilization that’d try to supplant it can’t be really called “free” or “humane”. Would it be closer to the fascists or any other autocratic system? You bet!

No matter how much Chinese food I eat it doesn’t make me sing praises to comrade Mao.

They wear Western clothes, us Western technologies and live in the world defined by the West. Even Daesh cavemen use YouTube. And all of this erodes their last vestiges of “uniqueness”. They can’t really convert others to their ways – there is no appeal in that.

Very humane! Especialy with all the "colateral damage". There's so much freedom and humanity in dead civilians, killed by the "free" or "humane" west.

But that doesn't make you live in a completely western culture either.

It doesn't erode them at all. Just like you don't become Chineese by eating their food, they don't become western by using stuff made in the west. Cultures adapted in history(or else they'd go extinct), but the core always stays untouched.
As far as the world defined by the west goes, that's wrong. And you'd know that by turning on the news every now and then. If it was defined by the west, you wouldn't have "big bad Russia" as a daily topic. Or China. Or Iran. Or a whatever country you label "imperialist" next.

[United Slavians]

https://meduza.io/news/2016/05/30/parnas-spisok-na-vyborah-v-gosdumu-bez-praymeriz

PARNAS primaries now canceled. (Non-speakers of Russians can access this via Google Translate.)

What's your point?

[United Slavians]

Does anyone else feel like the way westerners talk about Russians now has crossed a line? I feel it's become less about criticizing Putin and the Russian government, and more coming across as an attack on all Russians. I feel the language and imagery were using is too negative, and demonises and dehumanizes 143.5 million people, which is frankly disgusting. The west has a lot of cold war biases left over, which we should get over, and the language and imagery we are using is crossing the line, driving us back to the cold war.

When Muslims and Arabs are demonised and dehumanised in media, there is a justified outcry. But no such thing occurs when the media demonises Russians, and this is troubling to me.
(http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... en-britain
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... nt-tell-us
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... el-4s-show)

Roughly 20% of Russians (estimated 28.8 million) don't like their government or disagree with "the LGBT Propaganda" law (or are neutral on it). It seems illogical to ignore 28.8 Million people on your side (or could be on your side) and focus exclusively on the negative.

Don't forget that Russia is not the only country with that kind of an opinion, there are pleanty. I also know about at least one little country where the LGBT rights of the west are being enforced against the will of about 80% of the people. Russia is diferent because it is strong enough to stand for what they believe in. You can easily brake the litle guy into submission, even against his will.
The problem is the west thinks it has a right to tell other countries what to do, or how to act. We can see that Russia for example is not trying to influence USA, or anyone else for that matter to pass a law banning LGBT propaganda. We only see those countries trying to pressure Russia into abolishing it. It's more of a "invader-defender" situation.

And, why would you call that 20% "positive side"? Your side is just a side you are on, it doesn't make it a good side and opposing side the bad side. The world is not a single country, we have diferent perceptions of good and bad, and neither view is better than any other. If ever everyone realize this, there will be much less wars and confrontations, at least for a while, because power-hungry egomaniacs would have to find other excuses.

[Conserative Morality]

Roughly 20% of Russians (estimated 28.8 million) don't like their government or disagree with "the LGBT Propaganda" law (or are neutral on it). It seems illogical to ignore 28.8 Million people on your side (or could be on your side) and focus exclusively on the negative.

That implies 80% *are* fine with it.

Shit, I give America grief because of Republicans, and they're only about half our population.

[Tokuopolis]

Roughly 20% of Russians (estimated 28.8 million) don't like their government or disagree with "the LGBT Propaganda" law (or are neutral on it). It seems illogical to ignore 28.8 Million people on your side (or could be on your side) and focus exclusively on the negative.

That implies 80% *are* fine with it.

Shit, I give America grief because of Republicans, and they're only about half our population.

Well, what kind of Russians did they test? Ones living in Moscow? Ones living in St Petersburg? Novosibirsk? What religion were they? What age? How many did they interview? The 80% isn't necessarily untrue, but it's not necessarily 100% accurate. The news media loves to exaggerate and simplify.

This was a sample of just over a thousand Muslims; how this small number represents millions of Muslims in the UK, I cannot fathom it?

They could have just used a sample of only a few thousand or hundred Russians. How that represents all 143.5 million Russians, I cannot fathom it?

(What is the real number anyway? It seems to shift between 80%, 85% and 90%). From that statistic, I was able to roughly calculate that nearly 29 Million Russians don't support these law

I know they need to simplify, but it's been repeated over and over since 2013. We seem to be conflating being Russian and being homophobic, when they are two different things. There are many Russian straight allies, and to completely and utterly leave them out of the conversation is wrong.

Why on earth western film companies haven't made a documentary interviewing Nikolai Alekseev, Elena Kostyuchenko, Reyda Linn Nix Nemeni, Taria Polyakova, Konstantin Golava or Lena Katina? All Russian, and they're all pro-Gay Rights too.

[Baltenstein]

Well, what kind of Russians did they test? Ones living in Moscow? Ones living in St Petersburg? Novosibirsk? What religion were they? What age? How many did they interview? The 80% isn't necessarily untrue, but it's not necessarily 100% accurate. The news media loves to exaggerate and simplify.

You did get flak from a Russian user just after your post though. Apparently, United Slavians considers even those "20 %" to be too high a number.

[Geilinor]

Roughly 20% of Russians (estimated 28.8 million) don't like their government or disagree with "the LGBT Propaganda" law (or are neutral on it). It seems illogical to ignore 28.8 Million people on your side (or could be on your side) and focus exclusively on the negative.

That implies 80% *are* fine with it.

Shit, I give America grief because of Republicans, and they're only about half our population.

It's Russia, what did you expect? But it does show that there is significant potential for a liberal party, at least in urban areas.

[Robert Bork]

Are they really the same person? Do you know for sure, or are you just assuming without any actual evidence?

Beyond the phony "I'm not a Russophobe but Russian culture is degenerate" talk. Yes.

I won't forget how they were both listed as having last visited the forums at the exact same time.

Also kind of funny how they both capitalize words that don't need to be capitalized and how the moderators never backed up Lyin' Shofercia when he asked them to say Sharn isn't his puppet.

[Rio Cana]

What’s the matter, Shofercia? Does this hurt your Russophile senses? Just two pictures of Her, who was in Kremlin’s grasp, but got back to tell the tale?

Well – there is some more!

Putin Is the Loser in Prisoner Swap With Ukraine

(Image)

Yes, she is definitely a barefooter.

It must be fun arguing with yourself.

They were speaking about Savchenko and the two Russians on a talk show. They say the Russians in releasing Savchenko have complicated thus helped keep unstable the Ukrainian political scene.

[Yorkers]

There is no justifiable reason for Russia and America ti be sworn enemies. I'd like to see much more cooperation between our powers, we could strive for world peace.