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Postby The Western Sahel and Sahara » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:35 am

Rest in peace. It's haunting that I conversed with him before, and now, such a thing is no longer possible.
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Postby Dalcaria » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:58 pm

I feel bad for not remembering Dyakovo very well (too many stints offline leaves for a lot to be forgot), and I feel bad for posting this so much after the fact, but I wasn't around at the time. I'm almost certain we've debated before as well, possibly quite viciously against each other. :lol2: At any rate, I respect him for his debating, even if we didn't always see eye to eye (or even if we never did!), and I will pay my condolences as well. My heart goes out to his family and friends, he will be missed.
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Postby Faustian Fantasies » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:11 pm

Encountered him as a poster a lot of times. I'm confident he was a great guy in real life, and this is a real tragedy for a lot of people. Extremely unfortunate.

But as a poster, he was toxic.

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Postby The Corparation » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:59 pm

Faustian Fantasies wrote:Encountered him as a poster a lot of times. I'm confident he was a great guy in real life, and this is a real tragedy for a lot of people. Extremely unfortunate.

But as a poster, he was toxic.

Dya was pretty much the opposite of a toxic poster. You seem to be confusing toxic with brutal honesty. Dya was blunt and to the point. He wasn't afraid to call people out on their own stupidity. He wasn't the most polite in his phrasings and was master of snark, but he wasn't toxic. On the contrary I think his snark occasionally did more to combat "toxic" posters than official mod actions. I've met few people on NS who cared more about the community here than him.
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Postby Faustian Fantasies » Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:09 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Faustian Fantasies wrote:Encountered him as a poster a lot of times. I'm confident he was a great guy in real life, and this is a real tragedy for a lot of people. Extremely unfortunate.

But as a poster, he was toxic.

Dya was pretty much the opposite of a toxic poster. You seem to be confusing toxic with brutal honesty. Dya was blunt and to the point. He wasn't afraid to call people out on their own stupidity. He wasn't the most polite in his phrasings and was master of snark, but he wasn't toxic. On the contrary I think his snark occasionally did more to combat "toxic" posters than official mod actions. I've met few people on NS who cared more about the community here than him.


He was certainly honest. I called him toxic because he normalized the snarky style that is so prevalent here. While a lot of people on this forum have positive experiences with him as a poster (and a few, as a person), I myself cannot co-sign his style of dialect. I believe intellectual progress comes from deliberative understanding and collaboration. Dyakovo obviously took a different approach. Perhaps, in his hands, his characteristic snark could have been a useful tool, but it created a path for others to follow, which has had ultimately negative consequences on NSG. In some ways, Dyakovo could afford to be Dyakovo, but too many others have tried to sing his song out of tune.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:10 pm

Faustian Fantasies wrote:-Snip-


I honestly think that if we have nothing positive, at all, to say about a person that has passed away, perhaps we shouldn't say anything.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:13 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Faustian Fantasies wrote:-Snip-


I honestly think that if we have nothing positive, at all, to say about a person that has passed away, perhaps we shouldn't say anything.

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Postby Faustian Fantasies » Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:15 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Faustian Fantasies wrote:-Snip-


I honestly think that if we have nothing positive, at all, to say about a person that has passed away, perhaps we shouldn't say anything.


I have many positive things to say about him. For one, I wholeheartedly agree that he was a very honest poster, a trait which I respect just as much as everybody else does. I'm also saddened at the loss of any life taking place on this planet, and as I expressed, I'm a confident he was a great man in real life whose absence will create a meaningful void in the hearts of those who truly knew him. It was out of respect for this that I waited two months to make my rather brief point about his posting style.

As he was honest, so am I. I'm frankly recalling how I remembered the late man's posts, and my thoughts on his style. I found it to be unhelpful. That's not an indictment on his character. Just an indictment on his stylistic choices. And nor does my opinion in that regard diminish the positive attributes I gladly assign to him.

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Postby Camicon » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:10 pm

Faustian Fantasies wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I honestly think that if we have nothing positive, at all, to say about a person that has passed away, perhaps we shouldn't say anything.


I have many positive things to say about him. For one, I wholeheartedly agree that he was a very honest poster, a trait which I respect just as much as everybody else does. I'm also saddened at the loss of any life taking place on this planet, and as I expressed, I'm a confident he was a great man in real life whose absence will create a meaningful void in the hearts of those who truly knew him. It was out of respect for this that I waited two months to make my rather brief point about his posting style.

As he was honest, so am I. I'm frankly recalling how I remembered the late man's posts, and my thoughts on his style. I found it to be unhelpful. That's not an indictment on his character. Just an indictment on his stylistic choices. And nor does my opinion in that regard diminish the positive attributes I gladly assign to him.

"I'm brutally honest, just like Dyakovo was! And I'm going to demonstrate as such by taking a piss in his memorial thread! Look at me!"

When has it ever been acceptable to show up to a memorial and do that sort of thing?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:12 pm

Camicon wrote:
Faustian Fantasies wrote:
I have many positive things to say about him. For one, I wholeheartedly agree that he was a very honest poster, a trait which I respect just as much as everybody else does. I'm also saddened at the loss of any life taking place on this planet, and as I expressed, I'm a confident he was a great man in real life whose absence will create a meaningful void in the hearts of those who truly knew him. It was out of respect for this that I waited two months to make my rather brief point about his posting style.

As he was honest, so am I. I'm frankly recalling how I remembered the late man's posts, and my thoughts on his style. I found it to be unhelpful. That's not an indictment on his character. Just an indictment on his stylistic choices. And nor does my opinion in that regard diminish the positive attributes I gladly assign to him.

"I'm brutally honest, just like Dyakovo was! And I'm going to demonstrate as such by taking a piss in his memorial thread! Look at me!"

When has it ever been acceptable to show up to a memorial and do that sort of thing?


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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:14 pm

Faustian Fantasies wrote:-snippits-

Camicon wrote:-snippits-


Perhaps we can, well, not continue? This is not an argumentative thread.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:24 pm

My condolences.
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Postby Faustian Fantasies » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:28 pm

Camicon wrote:
Faustian Fantasies wrote:
I have many positive things to say about him. For one, I wholeheartedly agree that he was a very honest poster, a trait which I respect just as much as everybody else does. I'm also saddened at the loss of any life taking place on this planet, and as I expressed, I'm a confident he was a great man in real life whose absence will create a meaningful void in the hearts of those who truly knew him. It was out of respect for this that I waited two months to make my rather brief point about his posting style.

As he was honest, so am I. I'm frankly recalling how I remembered the late man's posts, and my thoughts on his style. I found it to be unhelpful. That's not an indictment on his character. Just an indictment on his stylistic choices. And nor does my opinion in that regard diminish the positive attributes I gladly assign to him.

"I'm brutally honest, just like Dyakovo was! And I'm going to demonstrate as such by taking a piss in his memorial thread! Look at me!"

When has it ever been acceptable to show up to a memorial and do that sort of thing?


Your summary of my post is a caricature. I don't have much of an interest in dealing with caricatures, so I'll reiterate myself. I identified many positive aspects of Dyakovo's legacy, expressed my sincere condolences to all involved, and in the spirit of honesty, identified a single aspect of his posting style that I, in my opinion, did not really agree with. Many users on this thread have done the same thing. I am allowed to have opinions about Dyakovo's posting style. I am allowed to have opinions about Dyakovo that do not indicate one hundred percent agreement with every aspect of his time on NSG. There is no problem with expressing these opinions as long as I do so respectfully, which I believe I have.

Respectfully pointing out aspects of his time on here that I, in my OPINION, did not agree with, while also pointing out his positives, is not "pissing" on anybody.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:29 pm

Faustian Fantasies wrote:-snippits-

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Perhaps we can, well, not continue?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:30 pm

Calling another user, deceased or otherwise "toxic" the way you did initially is hardly respectful, and borderline flaming. Let's drop this and move on, thank you.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:32 pm

Guys, please. It's ridiculously disrespectful to argue in a thread/place were you are remembering someone who just passed away. Seriously, keep your egos in check for three seconds.
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Postby Faustian Fantasies » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:34 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:Calling another user, deceased or otherwise "toxic" the way you did initially is hardly respectful, and borderline flaming. Let's drop this and move on, thank you.


I will cease posting about this in deference to your request. I would like to clarify that I mean his posting style was toxic, not him as a person. As I've said, I'm confident he was a great person to many people and that his absence is tantamount to a great tragedy for those that knew him.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:41 pm

Faustian Fantasies wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Calling another user, deceased or otherwise "toxic" the way you did initially is hardly respectful, and borderline flaming. Let's drop this and move on, thank you.


I will cease posting about this in deference to your request. I would like to clarify that I mean his posting style was toxic, not him as a person. As I've said, I'm confident he was a great person to many people and that his absence is tantamount to a great tragedy for those that knew him.


Who were you that you knew about his posting style?

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:42 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:Guys, please. It's ridiculously disrespectful to argue in a thread/place were you are remembering someone who just passed away. Seriously, keep your egos in check for three seconds.


Actually, I think Dyakovo would have encouraged it.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:43 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Faustian Fantasies wrote:
I will cease posting about this in deference to your request. I would like to clarify that I mean his posting style was toxic, not him as a person. As I've said, I'm confident he was a great person to many people and that his absence is tantamount to a great tragedy for those that knew him.


Who were you that you knew about his posting style?


Guys, can't you just stop attacking one another? If not for one another, then for the one we're actually supposed to be remembering? Apparently, Dyakovo would have liked it?
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:43 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:Guys, please. It's ridiculously disrespectful to argue in a thread/place were you are remembering someone who just passed away. Seriously, keep your egos in check for three seconds.


Actually, I think Dyakovo would have encouraged it.


Oh.

Well, then I guess I don't really have much to say anymore :p
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:44 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Who were you that you knew about his posting style?


Guys, can't you just stop attacking one another? If not for one another, then for the one we're actually supposed to be remembering?


It's not an attack. The nation posting was founded after Dya died. I'm curious.

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:45 pm

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Unitaristic Regions wrote:Guys, can't you just stop attacking one another? If not for one another, then for the one we're actually supposed to be remembering?

It's not an attack. The nation posting was founded after Dya died. I'm curious.

Could be the person behind it had been here before.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Guys, can't you just stop attacking one another? If not for one another, then for the one we're actually supposed to be remembering?


It's not an attack. The nation posting was founded after Dya died. I'm curious.


Ah, like that.
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