by Romalae » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:06 pm
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by Vassenor » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:08 pm
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by Romalae » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:10 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:How does it define "offensive speech"?
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:10 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:12 pm
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by The Hairy Men of God » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:12 pm
Romalae wrote:Just stumbled across an astonishing report by Pew Research regarding the public's views toward free speech, and as the chart below indicates, a good 40% of Millennials believe that the government should be able to prevent people from making statements that are offensive to minority groups. That's significantly more than for other generations.
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As a liberal Millennial myself, I find this rather shocking. In my mind, free speech is a crucial element of Western society, and that includes speech that is offensive and insulting. I believe that the proper response to this type of speech is not a government crackdown on it, but rather widespread voluntary denunciation by other people exercising their freedom of speech. I would rather the hateful, bigoted people identify themselves as such and broadcast it to the world rather than be forced to keep it private, which gives them the benefit of plausible deniability if questioned about their beliefs by others.
I know this firsthand, because some of my family members here in the South privately make overtly racist statements among each other, but will then get defensive about it or deny it around others. I would rather people be honest so we all know what we're dealing with. People are not going to stop holding bigoted/offensive beliefs just because a government cracks down on them, it just means that those beliefs will be publicly masked.
So, NSG, am I mistaken to have this reaction? Would I react differently if I wasn't white, or is the identity politics aspect not relevant? What other thoughts do you have on this?
by Eol Sha » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:13 pm
Romalae wrote:Just stumbled across an astonishing report by Pew Research regarding the public's views toward free speech, and as the chart below indicates, a good 40% of Millennials believe that the government should be able to prevent people from making statements that are offensive to minority groups. That's significantly more than for other generations.
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As a liberal Millennial myself, I find this rather shocking. In my mind, free speech is a crucial element of Western society, and that includes speech that is offensive and insulting. I believe that the proper response to this type of speech is not a government crackdown on it, but rather widespread voluntary denunciation by other people exercising their freedom of speech. I would rather the hateful, bigoted people identify themselves as such and broadcast it to the world rather than be forced to keep it private, which gives them the benefit of plausible deniability if questioned about their beliefs by others.
I know this firsthand, because some of my family members here in the South privately make overtly racist statements among each other, but will then get defensive about it or deny it around others. I would rather people be honest so we all know what we're dealing with. People are not going to stop holding bigoted/offensive beliefs just because a government cracks down on them, it just means that those beliefs will be publicly masked.
So, NSG, am I mistaken to have this reaction? Would I react differently if I wasn't white, or is the identity politics aspect not relevant? What other thoughts do you have on this?
by Romalae » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:20 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Romalae wrote:The report doesn't appear to be too specific on this, so I'm interpreting it in a general sense. You're welcome to add some caveats, though.
Well, I think that is rather reckless of the survey, as it is hard to know what is meant. It could mean anything from the N word to Advocating another Holocaust with it as vague as it is.
Eol Sha wrote:You've stolen the words right out of my mouth, Romalae. I find this poll to be disappointing and bad.
That aside, I find it interesting that the likelihood of having a college degree actually lessens, however slight, one's desire to have the government setting limits on offensive speech.
by The Serbian Empire » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:21 pm
Gauthier wrote:40% of Millennials are SJWs!!
Nice to know there is no small amount of people who seem to have empathy.
by Wisconsin9 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:23 pm
by Rejeistan » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:23 pm
Gauthier wrote:40% of Millennials are SJWs!!
Nice to know there is no small amount of people who seem to have empathy.
by Threlizdun » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:25 pm
by Soviet Vernosk » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:26 pm
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by Fenexia and holochrome » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:37 pm
by Rejeistan » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:39 pm
Fenexia and holochrome wrote:Depends. This is a really shoddy survey.
if it's talking about legitimate hate speech like calling for someone's death then it's not too bad.
If this is about microaggressions, then it's ridiculous.
Free speech trumps your right to not be offended.
by United Marxist Nations » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:41 pm
Rejeistan wrote:Fenexia and holochrome wrote:Depends. This is a really shoddy survey.
if it's talking about legitimate hate speech like calling for someone's death then it's not too bad.
If this is about microaggressions, then it's ridiculous.
Free speech trumps your right to not be offended.
There is no right to not be offended.
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by Dooom35796821595 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:43 pm
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