It's time for leftists to wake up before they destroy Europe

[Roski]

I think we should be doing what we can to integrate these people into mainstream society, but we must also recognize our limits. We can only go so far, and we only have so much capacity for immigrants.

Europe needs to provide healthcare, shelter, and necessities for them, maybe allow them some jobs, until its safe for them to return. If the refugees don't want to return back to Syria or Iraq (understandably, as well), then they may be integrated.

[Novus America]

Tons of doctors here are Indian and Nigerian. And they are not better or worse than any other doctors.

But they have dark skin so they're clearly evil.

Worse, every white Doctor I know is "gasp" Jewish!

I mean I get people not wanting Salafis (not saying all or most Syrians are). I do not want them either. But race has nothing to do with ideology. Ideology can be a legitimate worry. Some ideologies like Salafism and Nazism are bad, and should be discouraged as much as reasonably possible. Race is just stupid.

[Roski]

Tons of doctors here are Indian and Nigerian. And they are not better or worse than any other doctors.

But they have dark skin so they're clearly evil.

Calm down there Jamestown settler.

[European Socialist Republic]

But they have dark skin so they're clearly evil.

Worse, every white Doctor I know is "gasp" Jewish!

So that's why Hitler never had his syphilis treated!

[Imperializt Russia]

Maybe they are not in Europe. But Steve Jobs was Arab, and everbody viewed him as white.

The issues with Syrians are about religion, not race. Though weirdly people have conflated religion and race.

Like I said, it's a very relative term. Steve didn't even know he was half Syrian until later in life, and he had light skin so he just identified with being a regular white guy and was asked no questions.

It's all a social thing, really.

Almost as though it really doesn't matter.

[Novus America]

Maybe they are not in Europe. But Steve Jobs was Arab, and everbody viewed him as white.

The issues with Syrians are about religion, not race. Though weirdly people have conflated religion and race.

Like I said, it's a very relative term. Steve didn't even know he was half Syrian until later in life, and he had light skin so he just identified with being a regular white guy and was asked no questions.

It's all a social thing, really.

Of course it is. The categories are pretty arbitrary and poorly defined. Race is BS of course. But I am merely pointing out the silliness of the whole race thing.

[Thama]

Islamophobic bullshit right here.

These refugees coming into Europe right now are mostly middle class people like doctors and businessmen from Syria and the general vicinity - an originally fairly left wing middle eastern area, and the occurrences where they fight and cause trouble are so rare it's no wonder the video uses fucking archive footage from like 4 or 5 riots shot at slightly different angles and presents it as 19 minutes of cross-continental war. These refugees are people escaping war and regardless how they feel about our laws and customs (they don't disagree much considering their beliefs only differ in religion and they do owe us their goddamn lives), they will and do actually respect them, considering we literally fucking saved their goddamn lives.

As someone who spends their days in Germany amongst hundreds of people from across the world, from places like Sudan, Pakistan, South Africa, Russia, Brazil, etc. let me tell you a thing: I have never met anyone who disagrees more with German customs and how Germany is ran than Germans themselves. The people who are destroying Europe are not the immigrants coming here to escape war and suffering at the hands of dictators and extremists, but the rightist xenophobic hypocrites who shout for help and threaten to call the police when they see a Roma man or a Black teenager in a hoodie walk in their general direction on the same street as them.

I'd rather trust my life to a Russian engineer than a doctor from a third world country...

Syria wasn't a third world country. It sure as hell is now, though.

[Thama]

Islamophobic bullshit right here.

These refugees coming into Europe right now are mostly middle class people like doctors and businessmen from Syria and the general vicinity - an originally fairly left wing middle eastern area, and the occurrences where they fight and cause trouble are so rare it's no wonder the video uses fucking archive footage from like 4 or 5 riots shot at slightly different angles and presents it as 19 minutes of cross-continental war. These refugees are people escaping war and regardless how they feel about our laws and customs (they don't disagree much considering their beliefs only differ in religion and they do owe us their goddamn lives), they will and do actually respect them, considering we literally fucking saved their goddamn lives.

As someone who spends their days in Germany amongst hundreds of people from across the world, from places like Sudan, Pakistan, South Africa, Russia, Brazil, etc. let me tell you a thing: I have never met anyone who disagrees more with German customs and how Germany is ran than Germans themselves. The people who are destroying Europe are not the immigrants coming here to escape war and suffering at the hands of dictators and extremists, but the rightist xenophobic hypocrites who shout for help and threaten to call the police when they see a Roma man or a Black teenager in a hoodie walk in their general direction on the same street as them.

The vast majority of refugees are not Syrian, but rather North African members of the lower class who are running to Europe for perceived benefits -- at the expense of the natives, naturally!

Also, don't you think it's detrimental to be taking doctors and businessmen from these areas? If we take them, then they will only get more and more horrible while the West only gets more and more diverse.

And while you may think that you stand upon a bastion of beauty and tolerance, wouldn't you prefer to see the cultures of Europe continue without them being tampered with and changed so that they fit the needs of others?

A nation's commitment is to its own people, and when the sovereignty begins to change its people to alter its commitment, it's breaking its own social contract of history.

It is disgusting to think that a nation with such a proud heritage as Germany should be forced to accept refugees because "it's the right thing to do" instead of focusing on economic, understanding, and ethical realpolitik.

You have a bloody Wolfsangel in your flag and you speak of German "Proud Heritage", I can't trust a single thing you're saying mate because you clearly don't seem to understand what proud heritage means.
The majority of refugees are middle eastern, the North Africans are still coming in at the same rate as they always were, and being let in at the same rate. Only middle eastern refugees are being let in en-masse.

[Politicoandrous Anthronegative Proplex]

The vast majority of refugees are not Syrian, but rather North African members of the lower class who are running to Europe for perceived benefits -- at the expense of the natives, naturally!

Also, don't you think it's detrimental to be taking doctors and businessmen from these areas? If we take them, then they will only get more and more horrible while the West only gets more and more diverse.

And while you may think that you stand upon a bastion of beauty and tolerance, wouldn't you prefer to see the cultures of Europe continue without them being tampered with and changed so that they fit the needs of others?

A nation's commitment is to its own people, and when the sovereignty begins to change its people to alter its commitment, it's breaking its own social contract of history.

It is disgusting to think that a nation with such a proud heritage as Germany should be forced to accept refugees because "it's the right thing to do" instead of focusing on economic, understanding, and ethical realpolitik.

You have a bloody Wolfsangel in your flag and you speak of German "Proud Heritage", I can't trust a single thing you're saying mate because you clearly don't seem to understand what proud heritage means.
The majority of refugees are middle eastern, the North Africans are still coming in at the same rate as they always were, and being let in at the same rate. Only middle eastern refugees are being let in en-masse.

Having a Wolfsangel in a flag doesn't mean shit.

[Thama]

You have a bloody Wolfsangel in your flag and you speak of German "Proud Heritage", I can't trust a single thing you're saying mate because you clearly don't seem to understand what proud heritage means.
The majority of refugees are middle eastern, the North Africans are still coming in at the same rate as they always were, and being let in at the same rate. Only middle eastern refugees are being let in en-masse.

Having a Wolfsangel in a flag doesn't mean shit.

Around these parts it has far-right connotations. And their nation represents their views as far as I can tell, so I assume they either have no clue what they're talking about, or do, and are a far right leaning person.

[Politicoandrous Anthronegative Proplex]

Having a Wolfsangel in a flag doesn't mean shit.

Around these parts it has far-right connotations.

That logic is the same as the Hindu Swastika being used for the Nazis. Although I recognize the connotations, it is still ridiculous.

[Thama]

Around these parts it has far-right connotations.

That logic is the same as the Hindu Swastika being used for the Nazis. Although I recognize the connotations, it is still ridiculous.

Symbol of Peace most notably historically used by a guy who strived, fairly successfully might I add, to commit mass genocide. The Swastika.
Doesn't that just sound ridiculous? And yet it's true.


EDIT: I'd also like to add,

And while you may think that you stand upon a bastion of beauty and tolerance, wouldn't you prefer to see the cultures of Europe continue without them being tampered with and changed so that they fit the needs of others?

There are many vastly different cultures in Europe that so far have not at all been affected by previous immigration and by the intra-European migrations. Why would an extra 0.2% of the entire European population worth of Immigrants change anything at all?

[Ifreann]

Oh, please. What's so wrong with supporting equality, tolerance, respect, and peace?

That way leads to COMMUNISM!

Muslim communism. Commuslimunism.

[Olerand]

From the Alexis Jay inquiry that followed's summary on Wikipedia:
"Because the majority of perpetrators were Asian or of Pakistani heritage, several council staff described themselves as being nervous about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others, the report noted, "remembered clear direction from their managers" not to make such identification."
A direct quote from one of the researchers of the inquiry:
"... she had been accused of being insensitive when she told one official that most of the perpetrators were from Rotherham's Pakistani community. A female colleague talked to her about the incident. "She said you must never refer to that again – you must never refer to Asian men. "And her other response was to book me on a two-day ethnicity and diversity course to raise my awareness of ethnic issues."

About the local left's involvement, from the mouth of Miliband himself:
"On 16 February 2015 Labour Party leader Ed Miliband said that the Casey report was "deeply troubling", and that the leadership would "learn the lessons" of the scandal. He said: "I am deeply sorry for what happened in Rotherham and we are determined to have a fresh start, a fresh start in terms of the people of Rotherham most of all. The Labour Party did let people down in Rotherham, absolutely."

You really should look into these more than half a dozen cases, where more than 1400 children were exploited and raped for years. It's pretty heinous.

The same inquiry that found that over 1400 British children were thus victimized. But yep, it wasn't for fear or being labeled racist, or because they wanted to be "cultrually sensitive". The thought of doing anythign just never occured to them.

And so therefore the left is obviously pro child sex abuse

No, just pro-ignoring it when "necessary".

[Olerand]

1) Turkey itself hasn't said this. It says it wants money, which it should, and shall, receive. Turkey itself never claimed it cannot accomodate them. They can live in Turkey. And frankly if living as a refugee is so unbearable that they would want to go join the IS with everything that they know about and what it does, I say let them, and keep them as far away from Europe as possible.

2) In South Africa, I have heard of it happening frequently. Sporadically it occurs in other countries, individual cases that you would find in many other nations too.

1) Except it has http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/turkey-rejects-eu-offer-refugee-crisis-151016194610039.html, not to mention the concerns from other nations allowing the refugees in, like Lebanon.

2) Yes, although incidents of physical homophobic violence have a tendency to be somewhat higher in poorer areas given security, poverty, etc. That isn't to say physical homophobic violence doesn't occur in middle class and richer areas as well.

It wants more money, something we understand, and must give. It hasn't said that regardless of the financial help, it can no longer handle the issue. As for Lebanon, the State is effectively non-existent, the nation is imaginary; Lebanon has bigger issues than this. It also closed its borders to new refugees without visas a while ago.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Have you ever thought that, perhaps, once we leftists wake from our political slumber, we'll actually start actively trying to destroy Europe? And that what's happening now is just passive destruction?

Just an idea. *walks off whistling The Internationale which eventually morphs into Soviet Anthem*

[Arcturus Novus]

I'm pretty sure I've grown several tumors in my liver, lungs and trachea thanks to OP.

In reality, though, I think we really need to do away with this racist, white-European-centric political viewpoint. Like please, let it die, like it was supposed to in the 1900s-1940s.

[Olerand]

Have you ever thought that, perhaps, once we leftists wake from our political slumber, we'll actually start actively trying to destroy Europe? And that what's happening now is just passive destruction?

Just an idea. *walks off whistling The Internationale which eventually morphs into Soviet Anthem*

To replace it with the Caliphate? The Arabs of the Levant have a good saying for such a tactic then; "shitting in your breeches to spite your ass".

I'm pretty sure I've grown several tumors in my liver, lungs and trachea thanks to OP.

In reality, though, I think we really need to do away with this racist, white-European-centric political viewpoint. Like please, let it die, like it was supposed to in the 1900s-1940s.

The concept of left and right is very vague in the non-Western world. As for the Western world, the continued marginalization of the left will do just that in a few years. It's interesting that it is "racist", however.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

To replace it with the Caliphate? The Arabs of the Levant have a good saying for such a tactic then; "shitting in your breeches to spite your ass".

It's a joke, bud.

[Olerand]

To replace it with the Caliphate? The Arabs of the Levant have a good saying for such a tactic then; "shitting in your breeches to spite your ass".

It's a joke, bud.

I'm aware. But anti-westernism has reached Pavlovian proportions for some on the far-left (look no further than the New Anti-Capitalist Party or Workers' League in France) that this is not entirely outside of the realm of reality. Tear down Europe to replace it with the oppressed peoples' of the world's (that is Muslims) preferred model.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It's a joke, bud.

I'm aware. But anti-westernism has reached Pavlovian proportions for some on the far-left (look no further than the New Anti-Capitalist Party or Workers' League in France) that this is not entirely outside of the realm of reality. Tear down Europe to replace it with the oppressed peoples' of the world's (that is Muslims) preferred model.

I'm good with tearing down our current governments and much of society. Just not replacing it with a caliphate and fundamentalist Islamic culture. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who does, honestly.

[Olerand]

I'm aware. But anti-westernism has reached Pavlovian proportions for some on the far-left (look no further than the New Anti-Capitalist Party or Workers' League in France) that this is not entirely outside of the realm of reality. Tear down Europe to replace it with the oppressed peoples' of the world's (that is Muslims) preferred model.

I'm good with tearing down our current governments and much of society. Just not replacing it with a caliphate and fundamentalist Islamic culture. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who does, honestly.

Um, well other than the Islamists, though. And I am sure quite a few on the far-left are more than ambiguous on the subject.

[New confederate ramenia]

I'm aware. But anti-westernism has reached Pavlovian proportions for some on the far-left (look no further than the New Anti-Capitalist Party or Workers' League in France) that this is not entirely outside of the realm of reality. Tear down Europe to replace it with the oppressed peoples' of the world's (that is Muslims) preferred model.

I'm good with tearing down our current governments and much of society. Just not replacing it with a caliphate and fundamentalist Islamic culture. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who does, honestly.

As a Catholic, Islam could be good for Western Europe. It's like what Distruzio said about making America a Christian nation and letting Dominionists take over.

Oh wow... what a loaded and open ended question.

Had this been asked 8 years ago I'd have said that I'd add a clause forever establishing the Union as a confederation (although, back then I'd have been far more illustrative and hostile with my language). 4 years ago and I'd have made mention of excising the bit confirming Federal supremacy.

But now? Now I rather think I'd add a clause forever enshrining the Christian faith as integral to the American character.

*sigh*

Yes I am aware of the character that would reflect. Dispensationalist Protestant claptrap would create a rather dominionist vision of America but I rather think that's exactly what this nation needs to unite it in perpetuity. My checkered political past (and current political leanings) notwithstanding, what really comes to mind is that a constitution - the Constitution - needs to be for the benefit of the greatest number of people possible. Like it or not, Protestant Christians - dispensationalist and dominionist Christians - are the majority here in America. I rather think that America would be more proactive in her chosen role if she had a clearer vision of what she is. I see the wishy washy balderdash that pervades our current political climate as the greatest danger to America.

Of course I am ignoring my own valued political and economic fancies here.

[Olerand]

I'm good with tearing down our current governments and much of society. Just not replacing it with a caliphate and fundamentalist Islamic culture. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who does, honestly.

As a Catholic, Islam could be good for Western Europe. It's like what Distruzio said about making America a Christian nation and letting Dominionists take over.

Oh wow... what a loaded and open ended question.

Had this been asked 8 years ago I'd have said that I'd add a clause forever establishing the Union as a confederation (although, back then I'd have been far more illustrative and hostile with my language). 4 years ago and I'd have made mention of excising the bit confirming Federal supremacy.

But now? Now I rather think I'd add a clause forever enshrining the Christian faith as integral to the American character.

*sigh*

Yes I am aware of the character that would reflect. Dispensationalist Protestant claptrap would create a rather dominionist vision of America but I rather think that's exactly what this nation needs to unite it in perpetuity. My checkered political past (and current political leanings) notwithstanding, what really comes to mind is that a constitution - the Constitution - needs to be for the benefit of the greatest number of people possible. Like it or not, Protestant Christians - dispensationalist and dominionist Christians - are the majority here in America. I rather think that America would be more proactive in her chosen role if she had a clearer vision of what she is. I see the wishy washy balderdash that pervades our current political climate as the greatest danger to America.

Of course I am ignoring my own valued political and economic fancies here.

No thank you.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I'm good with tearing down our current governments and much of society. Just not replacing it with a caliphate and fundamentalist Islamic culture. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who does, honestly.

Um, well other than the Islamists, though. And I am sure quite a few on the far-left are more than ambiguous on the subject.

As someone that's pretty fucking far-left, I've neither seen nor heard a political colleague of mine support any sort of religious fundamentalism; quite the opposite, actually.