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Should Businesses be allowed to discriminate?

Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:03 pm

In 22 states in the US currently there are laws preventing someone from being fired for being gay or denying service to LGBT people which i support. You should not be able to fired because of who you love or your race or denied service. As a business you serve all. You don;t get to pick and choose.

I've heard some say business should be allowed to discriminate. Plus in some states you can also be denied housing or evicted from your apartment for being gay. If its ok for someone to be fired for being gay or for restaurant to kick out a gay couple should a business be allowed to deny service to a African American couple or interracial couple? Can a doctor or EMT say they won't treat someone who is gay or African american? should a landlord be able to kick someone out for being gay? Where do you draw the line? Your thoughts?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:05 pm

No, they shouldn't. We're all humans; we deserve equal treatment.

Also, OP, you'll need to share your thoughts on the matter.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:07 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:No, they shouldn't. We're all humans; we deserve equal treatment.

Also, OP, you'll need to share your thoughts on the matter.

I agree.

An equality which can only be endured under thermo nuclear warfare.

Seriously though.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:08 pm

In Arkansas, we have an anti-antidiscrimination statute.

No, seriously.

It's bullshit.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:09 pm

Galloism wrote:In Arkansas, we have an anti-antidiscrimination statute.

No, seriously.

It's bullshit.

yeah i heard about that. Its insane and the arguments for it were absurd. The politicians that voted for it should be denied service in Little Rock so they can see how it feels.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:09 pm

Galloism wrote:In Arkansas, we have an anti-antidiscrimination statute.

No, seriously.

It's bullshit.

What kind of backwards ultraconservative asswipe wrote that bill?
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:10 pm

Yes.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:11 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Galloism wrote:In Arkansas, we have an anti-antidiscrimination statute.

No, seriously.

It's bullshit.

What kind of backwards ultraconservative asswipe wrote that bill?

This guy.

Edit: as a side note, he even looks like a douchebag.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:12 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:Yes.

Why? A restaurant has a right to kick out a gay couple or african american family or interracial couple according to you? any business can discriminate against whoever they want? please elaborate
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:12 pm

Nope, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against people.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:13 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Nope, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against people.

I agree, but what about ghouls, and super mutants?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:14 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Nope, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against people.

I agree, but what about ghouls, and super mutants?


They has rights too!
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:15 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:Yes.

Ok but why?
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Arcturus Novus wrote:What kind of backwards ultraconservative asswipe wrote that bill?

This guy.

He even looks like a bad guy.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:16 pm

Galloism wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:What kind of backwards ultraconservative asswipe wrote that bill?

This guy.

Edit: as a side note, he even looks like a douchebag.

He looks like his first name should be Chad and his last name Dooshun.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:17 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Yes.

Ok but why?
Galloism wrote:This guy.

He even looks like a bad guy.

yeah he does. Im glad i live in a state where LGBT people can't be fired for being gay or denied service at a business
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Postby Jamzmania » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:22 pm

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Postby Qanchia » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:24 pm

Sure, it's their business. If you don't like what they do, start your own. Maybe you can even discriminate against people who discriminate, if that makes you happy.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Yes.

Why? A restaurant has a right to kick out a gay couple or african american family or interracial couple according to you? any business can discriminate against whoever they want? please elaborate

Yes, I agree with this. I don't think businesses SHOULD discriminate, but the alternative (no right to discriminate) is worse.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:25 pm

Qanchia wrote:Sure, it's their business. If you don't like what they do, start your own. Maybe you can even discriminate against people who discriminate, if that makes you happy.

So you;d be totally fine with a restaurant or store or bakery or florist in your town or city that said it wouldn't serve LGBT or black people or anyone who wasn't white?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:25 pm

Qanchia wrote:Sure, it's their business. If you don't like what they do, start your own. Maybe you can even discriminate against people who discriminate, if that makes you happy.

Their businesses operate under laws which protect their business and their customers. Those laws should include nondiscrimination clauses because otherwise the laws are entirely one-sided.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:26 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why? A restaurant has a right to kick out a gay couple or african american family or interracial couple according to you? any business can discriminate against whoever they want? please elaborate

Yes, I agree with this. I don't think businesses SHOULD discriminate, but the alternative (no right to discriminate) is worse.

Why should they have a right to discriminate? if someone is fired for being gay you'd have no problem with that?
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Yes, I agree with this. I don't think businesses SHOULD discriminate, but the alternative (no right to discriminate) is worse.

Why should they have a right to discriminate? if someone is fired for being gay you'd have no problem with that?

Of course I'd have a problem with that. It isn't morally right. But it shouldn't be banned.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:28 pm

San Lumen wrote: I've heard some say business should be allowed to discriminate. If its ok for someone to be fired for being gay or for restaurant to kick out a gay couple should a business be allowed to deny service to a African American couple or interracial couple?


Wrong questions.

The right questions in America would be: "it's ok for someone to be fired for being heterosexual, or for a restaurant to kick out a heterosexual couple? Should a business be allowed to deny service to a White AngloSaxon Protestant couple, or an mixed English-German couple"?

Basically, you should ask the American majorities how much they would love to be discriminated against.
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Postby Qanchia » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Qanchia wrote:Sure, it's their business. If you don't like what they do, start your own. Maybe you can even discriminate against people who discriminate, if that makes you happy.

So you;d be totally fine with a restaurant or store or bakery or florist in your town or city that said it wouldn't serve LGBT or black people or anyone who wasn't white?

I don't want it in my country, but if Americans want it in theirs, then I don't see why they shouldn't have it.

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Qanchia wrote:Sure, it's their business. If you don't like what they do, start your own. Maybe you can even discriminate against people who discriminate, if that makes you happy.

Their businesses operate under laws which protect their business and their customers. Those laws should include nondiscrimination clauses because otherwise the laws are entirely one-sided.

Why do you think the the laws are one-sided if they do not prevent business owners from discriminating against customers or employees?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:29 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why should they have a right to discriminate? if someone is fired for being gay you'd have no problem with that?

Of course I'd have a problem with that. It isn't morally right. But it shouldn't be banned.

Well then how are you going to prevent it then without making it illegal?
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