The Christian Discussion Thread VI

[The Archregimancy]

This is the sixth version of the Christian discussion thread, where participants can discuss Christianity in general, the differences between the denominations, general comparative theology (both within and without Christianity), Church history, and many other topics.

While discussion naturally covers a broad range of themes, members of the moderation team (including those participating in the thread), may occasionally gently suggest that some topics might be best taken to a separate thread; this will usually only occur when a subject is itself the subject of discussion in recurring separate NSG threads and would risk dominating this thread if discussed here (examples include, but are not limited to, abortion, homosexuality, and/or the existence of the historical Jesus).

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A discussion point to get us started in the sixth version:

In Valentinian gnosticism, how many Aeons should ideally form a pleroma - and does the transition from the noumenal to the sensible require a passion in the Dodecad Aeon Sophia?

[Czechanada]

Just reintroducing myself as this thread's resident sociologist of religion.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Just reintroducing myself as the one who calls Czechanada a doodoo headed penguin behind his back.

[Czechanada]

Just reintroducing myself as the one who calls Czechanada a doodoo headed penguin behind his back.

Correct on all counts.

[Grand Calvert]

Faith Wars VI: Return of the Friar

[White Chrobatia]

In the other poll I said I was Roman Catholic but I guess I now have to call myself "Other Christian" because I refuse to practice the religion in an organized way.

Except of course for confession. But still.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

In the other poll I said I was Roman Catholic but I guess I now have to call myself "Other Christian" because I refuse to practice the religion in an organized way.

Except of course for confession. But still.

What's wrong with an organized religion?

[Ulomia]

Finally got Confessions by St. Augustine

[White Chrobatia]

In the other poll I said I was Roman Catholic but I guess I now have to call myself "Other Christian" because I refuse to practice the religion in an organized way.

Except of course for confession. But still.

What's wrong with an organized religion?

Nothing; if you believe that it is the best way to practice your religion.

I am simply of the opinion that, barring confession, religion can be practised privately.

[Ulomia]

What's wrong with an organized religion?

Nothing; if you believe that it is the best way to practice your religion.

I am simply of the opinion that, barring confession, religion can be practised privately.

By privatley do you mean in a home?

[The Archregimancy]

Well, I'm crushingly disappointed that so far no one's chosen to address how many Aeons should ideally form a pleroma - and whether the transition from the noumenal to the sensible requires a passion in the Dodecad Aeon Sophia.

Does nobody know their 2nd-century gnostic heresies anymore?

[White Chrobatia]

Nothing; if you believe that it is the best way to practice your religion.

I am simply of the opinion that, barring confession, religion can be practised privately.

By privatley do you mean in a home?

A home is a part of it, yes. But I was referring more about just a private relationship and worship, anywhere necessary for the person at the time.

[Diopolis]

In the other poll I said I was Roman Catholic but I guess I now have to call myself "Other Christian" because I refuse to practice the religion in an organized way.

Except of course for confession. But still.

Interesting. Most people who don't really practice Catholicism but take one or two sacraments only get communion, not confession.

[Kauthar]

Tomorrow is the 5th of November, which in Britain is bonfire night, the day Protestants celebrate the murder of a Catholic hero. It really pains me to see the social split between protestants and catholics up to this day.

[White Chrobatia]

In the other poll I said I was Roman Catholic but I guess I now have to call myself "Other Christian" because I refuse to practice the religion in an organized way.

Except of course for confession. But still.

Interesting. Most people who don't really practice Catholicism but take one or two sacraments only get communion, not confession.

I go out of my way to get confession.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Tomorrow is the 5th of November, which in Britain is bonfire night, the day Protestants celebrate the murder of a Catholic hero. It really pains me to see the social split between protestants and catholics up to this day.

It's funny be cause Guy Fawkes was betrayed by Catholic members of parliament. If anything it should be about Protestants and Catholics coming together to prevent sectarian violence, regardless of who perpetrates it

[White Chrobatia]

Tomorrow is the 5th of November, which in Britain is bonfire night, the day Protestants celebrate the murder of a Catholic hero. It really pains me to see the social split between protestants and catholics up to this day.

It's funny be cause Guy Fawkes was betrayed by Catholic members of parliament. If anything it should be about Protestants and Catholics coming together to prevent sectarian violence, regardless of who perpetrates it

If anything, the celebrated British Catholic Figure should be Thomas Moore.

[The Archregimancy]

Tomorrow is the 5th of November, which in Britain is bonfire night, the day Protestants celebrate the murder of a Catholic hero. It really pains me to see the social split between protestants and catholics up to this day.

While the 5th of November's central premise - the ritual burning at the stake of the effigy of a Roman Catholic - is no doubt deeply offensive to our Catholic cousins, I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to refer to Guy Fawkes as a 'hero'.

The Gunpowder Plot did, after all, involve planning for the blowing up of the Houses of Parliament and the consequent murder of several hundred people during the State Opening of Parliament with explosives hidden in a cellar. While I'm hesitant to use a modern analogy for an early 17th-century historical act, there's a strong whiff of religious terrorism there.

Furthermore, the Plot was actively counterproductive. James I/VI was relatively tolerant of Catholics, and had several Catholic advisors; but the Plot led to increased persecution of Catholics in England. Without the Plot, Catholic Emancipation might well have come considerably sooner; and had the Plot succeeded, the subsequent attempted rebellion would have almost certainly failed given the lack of internal or external support for the plotters, leading to an even more severe backlash against Catholics in Great Britain.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Tomorrow is the 5th of November, which in Britain is bonfire night, the day Protestants celebrate the murder of a Catholic hero. It really pains me to see the social split between protestants and catholics up to this day.

While the 5th of November's central premise - the ritual burning at the stake of the effigy of a Roman Catholic - is no doubt deeply offensive to our Catholic cousins, I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to refer to Guy Fawkes as a 'hero'.

The Gunpowder Plot did, after all, involve planning for the blowing up of the Houses of Parliament and the consequent murder of several hundred people during the State Opening of Parliament with explosives hidden in a cellar. While I'm hesitant to use a modern analogy for an early 17th-century historical act, there's a strong whiff of religious terrorism there.

Furthermore, the Plot was actively counterproductive. James I/VI was relatively tolerant of Catholics, and had several Catholic advisors; but the Plot led to increased persecution of Catholics in England. Without the Plot, Catholic Emancipation might well have come considerably sooner; and had the Plot succeeded, the subsequent attempted rebellion would have almost certainly failed given the lack of internal or external support for the plotters, leading to an even more severe backlash against Catholics in Great Britain.

It's not offensive. Fawkes was guilty of sedition

[The Blaatschapen]

While the 5th of November's central premise - the ritual burning at the stake of the effigy of a Roman Catholic {snip}

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bonfire-night- ... nt-1527191

Sepp Blatter apparently qualifies >_>

[The Archregimancy]

While the 5th of November's central premise - the ritual burning at the stake of the effigy of a Roman Catholic {snip}

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bonfire-night- ... nt-1527191

Sepp Blatter apparently qualifies >_>

"Blatter secured a majority with 36.8% of the vote"

I continue to be frustrated at people who can't distinguish between a plurality and a majority.

It's not offensive. Fawkes was guilty of sedition

He was; but we also traditionally burn our guys in part as an anti-Catholic statement rather than as a statement against sedition.

However, if we're able to put that behind us and focus today on the sedition rather than the Catholicism, I'll take that as a step forward.

[Diopolis]

It's funny be cause Guy Fawkes was betrayed by Catholic members of parliament. If anything it should be about Protestants and Catholics coming together to prevent sectarian violence, regardless of who perpetrates it

If anything, the celebrated British Catholic Figure should be Thomas Moore.

Indeed.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bonfire-night- ... nt-1527191

Sepp Blatter apparently qualifies >_>

"Blatter secured a majority with 36.8% of the vote"

I continue to be frustrated at people who can't distinguish between a plurality and a majority.

It's not offensive. Fawkes was guilty of sedition

He was; but we also traditionally burn our guys in part as an anti-Catholic statement rather than as a statement against sedition.

However, if we're able to put that behind us and focus today on the sedition rather than the Catholicism, I'll take that as a step forward.

It was the 1600's , everyone was doing it.

[White Chrobatia]

"Blatter secured a majority with 36.8% of the vote"

I continue to be frustrated at people who can't distinguish between a plurality and a majority.




He was; but we also traditionally burn our guys in part as an anti-Catholic statement rather than as a statement against sedition.

However, if we're able to put that behind us and focus today on the sedition rather than the Catholicism, I'll take that as a step forward.

It was the 1600's , everyone was doing it.

Yeah but isn't history written by the victors?

[Gim]

Tomorrow is the 5th of November, which in Britain is bonfire night, the day Protestants celebrate the murder of a Catholic hero. It really pains me to see the social split between protestants and catholics up to this day.

I tend to stay out of celebrating an event like that. It is just not Christ-centered.