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Alvecia wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:I for one would love to live there

Great weather as well

Nice beaches and men too

Gauthier wrote:

Jamzmania wrote:And we're not the rest of the world. We tend to recognize the dangers of socialism.

Yeah, if we don't elect a True Conservative to the White House then Josef Stalin will rise from the grave and take over the White House.

5 Year Plan 2: Electric Boogaloo

If Stalin rose from the grave I'd vote for him. Mainly because I don't want to be sent to the zombie gulag

Thermodolia wrote:

Soldati senza confini wrote:
What do you expect from people who want to win votes and have, for years, pandered to the far-right, bigoted, nigh anarcho-capitalist members of society?

The Repubs are no where near anarcho-capitalism, they are more of an rich oligarch that runs the government.

Exactly what the logical conclusion to anarcho-capitalism is, if you think about it

Note: I am not talking about libertarianism, although I realize anarcho-capitalists are a more capitalist, more libertarian bend of libertarians.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:The party needs a thorough detox to get all the tea out of its system.

The current problem with the GOP comes from the tea, in my opinion.

Geilinor wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:The party needs a thorough detox to get all the tea out of its system.

The current problem with the GOP comes from the tea, in my opinion.

Tea causes autism.

Geilinor wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:The party needs a thorough detox to get all the tea out of its system.

The current problem with the GOP comes from the tea, in my opinion.

I mean, I will be honest, even with the Bush years I had a bit of hope from Republicans as a Republican-leaning commentator.

Nowadays, I'd be called a RINO based on my beliefs.

Soldati senza confini wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:The Repubs are no where near anarcho-capitalism, they are more of an rich oligarch that runs the government.

Exactly what the logical conclusion to anarcho-capitalism is, if you think about it

Note: I am not talking about libertarianism, although I realize anarcho-capitalists are a more capitalist, more libertarian bend of libertarians.

After I posted it I just realized that.

Soldati senza confini wrote:

Geilinor wrote:The current problem with the GOP comes from the tea, in my opinion.

I mean, I will be honest, even with the Bush years I had a bit of hope from Republicans as a Republican-leaning commentator.

Nowadays, I'd be called a RINO based on my beliefs.

Lucky you, I just get called a dirty leftist.

Thermodolia wrote:

Soldati senza confini wrote:
I mean, I will be honest, even with the Bush years I had a bit of hope from Republicans as a Republican-leaning commentator.

Nowadays, I'd be called a RINO based on my beliefs.

Lucky you, I just get called a dirty leftist.

I've had people from the extreme Republican pole calling me a communist.

Kind of ironic considering most of the policies I support fall into what many moderate Republicans pre-TP would have, but would have tried to work with Democrats to refine them.

Jamzmania wrote:

Galloism wrote:Many people in Europe tell me that. From their view, Republicans are far right, and democrats are center right.

How sad that believing is small government, free enterprise, and individual freedom has become far right.

Since when do the extreme republicans support small government and individual freedom? I know more moderate ones do, and I'm sure most do, but the ones democrats and independents usually complain about tend to be pro-big government.

Galloism wrote:

Alvecia wrote:As a liberal British fella sometimes I think the American Democrats can be entirely too right wing.

Many people in Europe tell me that. From their view, Republicans are far right, and democrats are center right.

Can you please explain me why the Europeans say our politics are skewed to the right? What policies make the Dems centre-right?

Planita wrote:

Galloism wrote:Many people in Europe tell me that. From their view, Republicans are far right, and democrats are center right.

Can you please explain me why the Europeans say our politics are skewed to the right? What policies make the Dems centre-right?

Europe is far to the left by out standards. Well, most of it. Because of this, they view even our left wing voters and right wing, just more moderate. Of course, on a global scale, the USA is left wing to centrist, And Europe is extreme left wing.

Planita wrote:

Galloism wrote:Many people in Europe tell me that. From their view, Republicans are far right, and democrats are center right.

Can you please explain me why the Europeans say our politics are skewed to the right? What policies make the Dems centre-right?

Well, the thing is that European politics haven't dismissed socialism as harshly as the U.S. has.

They accept, are aware of, and agree with many socialist policies even if they disagree with others. They let communist have their own party, but they hardly have any voice, or many of them join the socialist party in their country.

The United States is so averse to communism and socialism as a post-Cold War state that most Americans find communism and socialism indistinguishable from each other and everything that furthers the capacities of government to help people and increase the welfare state is dismissed as communism.

Galloism wrote:

Jamzmania wrote:I think the GOP is on the right track towards true conservatism. That is what will save the party.

I kind of sincerely hope they do go towards "true conservatism". It will make the party implode.

Me too, the religious right has no place in true conservatism. Goldwater was for gay rights, just saying.

It was also force the democrats to go true progressive, and then a more realistic party structure on both sides would emerge.

Ethel mermania wrote:

Galloism wrote:I kind of sincerely hope they do go towards "true conservatism". It will make the party implode.

Me too, the religious right has no place in true conservatism. Goldwater was for gay rights, just saying.

It was also force the democrats to go true progressive, and then a more realistic party structure on both sides would emerge.

Wait, so the religious right is not a product of conservatism? Then what is it a product of?

Planita wrote:

Galloism wrote:Many people in Europe tell me that. From their view, Republicans are far right, and democrats are center right.

Can you please explain me why the Europeans say our politics are skewed to the right? What policies make the Dems centre-right?

Well, the lack of universal health care in favor of some weird subsidy system is a good start.

We can also go with the democrats lackluster support of unions.

I can keep going if you want.

Galloism wrote:

Planita wrote:Can you please explain me why the Europeans say our politics are skewed to the right? What policies make the Dems centre-right?

Well, the lack of universal health care in favor of some weird subsidy system is a good start.

We can also go with the democrats lackluster support of unions.

I can keep going if you want.

Please. I need ammo against my neighbour

Planita wrote:

Galloism wrote:Well, the lack of universal health care in favor of some weird subsidy system is a good start.

We can also go with the democrats lackluster support of unions.

I can keep going if you want.

Please. I need ammo for my neighbour

They're not (generally) significantly in favor of paid family leave, although Sanders and Hillary both are (which they should be). This is actually a fairly new development and I hope it sticks.

They're not in favor of the workers seizing the means of production from the capital investors.

They're not in favor of nationalizing the banks or factories.

Lots of things.

Galloism wrote:

Planita wrote:Please. I need ammo for my neighbour

They're not (generally) significantly in favor of paid family leave, although Sanders and Hillary both are (which they should be). This is actually a fairly new development and I hope it sticks.

They're not in favor of the workers seizing the means of production from the capital investors.

They're not in favor of nationalizing the banks or factories.

Lots of things.

Thanks.

Soldati senza confini wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:Me too, the religious right has no place in true conservatism. Goldwater was for gay rights, just saying.

It was also force the democrats to go true progressive, and then a more realistic party structure on both sides would emerge.

Wait, so the religious right is not a product of conservatism? Then what is it a product of?

Insanity

Galloism wrote:

Jamzmania wrote:How sad that believing is small government, free enterprise, and individual freedom has become far right.

When Republicans shrink the military by 80%, I'll consider them small government. Until now, all I've seen is "money focused on violence government".

they'll still be small enough to stick their hand up your vagina and take a picture. (nonspecific your)

Galloism wrote:

Alvecia wrote:As a liberal British fella sometimes I think the American Democrats can be entirely too right wing.

Many people in Europe tell me that. From their view, Republicans are far right, and democrats are center right.

I find this extremely interesting... I wish NS had a like button, because this has not only confirmed feelings I've already had and caused me to think more about the political compass and spectrum.

Ashmoria wrote:

Galloism wrote:When Republicans shrink the military by 80%, I'll consider them small government. Until now, all I've seen is "money focused on violence government".

they'll still be small enough to stick their hand up your vagina and take a picture. (nonspecific your)

I want a government so small I can drown it in a bathtub, then again I'm not a rebulican. And personly I think they military should only protect the USA only.

Ethel mermania wrote:

Galloism wrote:I kind of sincerely hope they do go towards "true conservatism". It will make the party implode.

Me too, the religious right has no place in true conservatism. Goldwater was for gay rights, just saying.

It was also force the democrats to go true progressive, and then a more realistic party structure on both sides would emerge.

in what way was goldwater for gay rights?

Thermodolia wrote:

Ashmoria wrote:they'll still be small enough to stick their hand up your vagina and take a picture. (nonspecific your)

I want a government so small I can drown it in a bathtub, then again I'm not a rebulican. And personly I think they military should only protect the USA only.

I have no idea why you would want that. a country with more than 300million people cant operate on a small government.