NationStates' Transgender Thread II

[The Serbian Empire]

I think that's why pockets aren't around on women's pants. The designers don't want to create unintentional bulges. It's kind of unfortunate, but it still doesn't excuse them for not putting pockets in jackets like they do with men's jackets.

No, I mean that men's pants are designed to show the crotch bulge.

Usable pockets on women's clothing may create a bulge that many women with a pear shape wouldn't want if they want to look like an hourglass. That is if they used the pockets that is.

[Nature-Spirits]

Underpants maybe. Pants tend to smush my privates.

Yeah I was going to comment, pants may be fit to not kill off a men's bits, but they certainly don't flaunt them.

Well yeah, but when you don't feel comfortable having a visible bulge, it certainly seems like it's prominent. Like, I'm sure other people don't really notice, but I do, and I find it annoying.

Of course, that design makes sense. I just don't particularly like it for myself.

[Aphryss]

A question: obviously women have different measurements than men, although hormones can shift that in terms of the waist. I'm looking at women's underwear right now (it's kinda necessary for tucking, which in turn is necessary for skirts and things) and of course the waist-to-hip ratio is completely different to my own; going by the sizing chart, something that fits around my hips would be way too narrow around the waist, and something that fits around my waist would be way too baggy around the hips. Which measurement is the one I should be looking for in this case?

Baggy in the hips is annoying. Too narrow in the waist means you can't get 'em on.

Soooo ... which one do you go for?

[Linux and the X]

Baggy in the hips is annoying. Too narrow in the waist means you can't get 'em on.

Soooo ... which one do you go for?

Annoying isn't as bad as unwearable.

[Vassenor]

I guess I feel like I need to stop doing convention stuff since it's gone from a thing I enjoy to a thing that just makes my dysphoria kick in stronger.

[USS Monitor]

A question: obviously women have different measurements than men, although hormones can shift that in terms of the waist. I'm looking at women's underwear right now (it's kinda necessary for tucking, which in turn is necessary for skirts and things) and of course the waist-to-hip ratio is completely different to my own; going by the sizing chart, something that fits around my hips would be way too narrow around the waist, and something that fits around my waist would be way too baggy around the hips. Which measurement is the one I should be looking for in this case?

Most women's underwear doesn't go up to your waist. It just sits around the hips.

[Aphryss]

A question: obviously women have different measurements than men, although hormones can shift that in terms of the waist. I'm looking at women's underwear right now (it's kinda necessary for tucking, which in turn is necessary for skirts and things) and of course the waist-to-hip ratio is completely different to my own; going by the sizing chart, something that fits around my hips would be way too narrow around the waist, and something that fits around my waist would be way too baggy around the hips. Which measurement is the one I should be looking for in this case?

Most women's underwear doesn't go up to your waist. It just sits around the hips.

So I don't have to worry so much about the waist measurement (in this case)? That's helpful. Though, don't you worry about things not staying up?

Uuulgh. All this clothing stuff makes me feel outsize and misshapen.

[Nature-Spirits]

Most women's underwear doesn't go up to your waist. It just sits around the hips.

So I don't have to worry so much about the waist measurement (in this case)? That's helpful. Though, don't you worry about things not staying up?

Uuulgh. All this clothing stuff makes me feel outsize and misshapen.

It's elasticised, for the most part, so it stays up without needing to go over the hips. I've never found it to be an issue.

[USS Monitor]

Most women's underwear doesn't go up to your waist. It just sits around the hips.

So I don't have to worry so much about the waist measurement (in this case)? That's helpful. Though, don't you worry about things not staying up?

Uuulgh. All this clothing stuff makes me feel outsize and misshapen.

There is usually some stretch to the fabric that makes it easier to get the fit right, so you can have it tight enough to stay up, but still be able to move around. It's more common to have issues with riding up than falling down, unless it's several sizes too big. Satiny silky fabrics tend to ride up worse than cotton in my experience.

[The Serbian Empire]

So I don't have to worry so much about the waist measurement (in this case)? That's helpful. Though, don't you worry about things not staying up?

Uuulgh. All this clothing stuff makes me feel outsize and misshapen.

It's elasticised, for the most part, so it stays up without needing to go over the hips. I've never found it to be an issue.

Neither have I. Waists? They're more important for dresses.

[The Serbian Empire]

Still can't find that right middle name. So do you think I should keep my initials or not?

[Noraika]

Still can't find that right middle name. So do you think I should keep my initials or not?

I used my current middle name, but I had an initial which was very usable.

[The Serbian Empire]

Still can't find that right middle name. So do you think I should keep my initials or not?

I used my current middle name, but I had an initial which was very usable.

For me, that couldn't be done. Why? Let's say that my original middle name is about as masculine as you can get. And I sure as hell won't claim that it's a last name as I don't want to be viewed as a southerner.

[Noraika]

I used my current middle name, but I had an initial which was very usable.

For me, that couldn't be done. Why? Let's say that my original middle name is about as masculine as you can get. And I sure as hell won't claim that it's a last name as I don't want to be viewed as a southerner.

Oh, derp! I meant I used my original initial. I also had about as masculine middle name as you can get.

[Liberonscien]

I wish I had wider hips. As I am, it it difficult to find pants that fit properly, in men's wear.

[Albrook]

Well, I'm invested in it now. I just sent an email to my mom's pastor, and seek to speak with him about my gender and condition as of recently.

As I have stated previously on another thread, I wish to maintain and grow in my faith as a support for the rest of my Ordeal of transition ahead. I hold an understanding from the multitude of Christian (mainly Lutheran and Methodist) services that I have attended that what I believe is not a religion that preaches hate, but instead a simple love for one another.

My pastor, being a man of acceptance himself (to the disabled, to the ex-criminals seeking renewal, to the poor, and many others with different Ordeals of their own), is, to me, the best person for me to speak to to ensure that I am right with the god I believe in. At the very least, it should calm me down a little from the constant tension in my home. But yet, I again feel this emotional burden - despite how much good I know about my pastor, I again feel as if I am hiding something. And, again, I feel my emotions running away a little.

EDIT: Why do you capitalize the term 'Ordeal' above?

So far, I see my experience (and those of many others in a similar position as me, some of which in this very thread) is too comparable in principle to an induction, called the Ordeal, in my camping group, the Order of the Arrow. Over the course of a day, you face four challenges of character, and are expected to do your best to thrive during the day in meeting those challenges. If you're interested, I'll TG you exactly what that is - I'd rather not ruin the experience for anyone who happens to hop on Google later on.

EDIT 2, POST-TALK: So immediately after writing the above message, I talked to my mom - who said our pastor apparently is a very inclusionary man in terms of a missionary, bringing the faith to the poorer and the less-well-off, but does not hold very well any transgressions against what the bible says, including - you guessed it.

So a very mutually uncomfortable talk later, both my pastor and I will be hunting for more information to back up our claims with. He intends on finding relevant scripture and studies that may seem relevant (I am keeping in mind his point of view on this) and meanwhile I'll look for positive evidence in the event I need to defend myself with it, should I end up fighting a battle of conversion (I don't think I will, but just to be safe).

[The Serbian Empire]

For me, that couldn't be done. Why? Let's say that my original middle name is about as masculine as you can get. And I sure as hell won't claim that it's a last name as I don't want to be viewed as a southerner.

Oh, derp! I meant I used my original initial. I also had about as masculine middle name as you can get.

I'm mulling the idea of changing the initial just to make a more pretty looking signature and over disillusionment with the available choices I have.

[The Alexanderians]

I wish I had wider hips. As I am, it it difficult to find pants that fit properly, in men's wear.

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

[Philjia]

I wish I had wider hips. As I am, it it difficult to find pants that fit properly, in men's wear.

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

I'm very skinny so I can have trouble getting men's clothes, especially trousers, that fit me, and I'm a cis male.

[The Grey Wolf]

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

I'm very skinny so I can have trouble getting men's clothes, especially trousers, that fit me, and I'm a cis male.

My pants always seem about ready to fall down. Whatever gender clothes I wear, going to need suspenders.

[The Blaatschapen]

A question: obviously women have different measurements than men, although hormones can shift that in terms of the waist. I'm looking at women's underwear right now (it's kinda necessary for tucking, which in turn is necessary for skirts and things) and of course the waist-to-hip ratio is completely different to my own; going by the sizing chart, something that fits around my hips would be way too narrow around the waist, and something that fits around my waist would be way too baggy around the hips. Which measurement is the one I should be looking for in this case?

Most women's underwear doesn't go up to your waist. It just sits around the hips.

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I've been doing it all wrong then when wearing women's underwear.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Most women's underwear doesn't go up to your waist. It just sits around the hips.

...

I've been doing it all wrong then when wearing women's underwear.

Wearing it on your head while carrying a bag full of other stolen panties and shouting "what a haul, what a haul!"?

[Liberonscien]

I wish I had wider hips. As I am, it it difficult to find pants that fit properly, in men's wear.

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

I am very tall, and find it difficult to find pants that are long and thin. Pants that are long and wide are plentiful. If I had wider hips, my problem would be solved.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

What makes Pan-sexuality different from Bisexuality?

[Liberonscien]

What makes Pan-sexuality different from Bisexuality?

Pan is attraction to all genders. Bi is only attraction to male and female.